When are swoop planes getting painted?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Couple questions here:

1) is there a plan to take off the stickers that say “operated by WestJet” and actually paint these things or are they gonna fly them for years with the pink livery?

2) have they been outfitted with wifi / entertainment or is that still an issue with people that pay for WestJet but get swoop equipment?

[dontcallmeshirley]

Couple questions here:

1) is there a plan to take off the stickers that say “operated by WestJet” and actually paint these things or are they gonna fly them for years with the pink livery?

2) have they been outfitted with wifi / entertainment or is that still an issue with people that pay for WestJet but get swoop equipment?

1) Yes and yes. There is a plan, but it makes no money to take a plane out of service, fly a thousand miles, and paint it. It'll likely be a minimum of several more months to a more likely year or two.

2) No, see 1.

[mantogasrsrwy]

When did AC start painting their planes? After all these years there is still lots of them with the ugly old paint job.

[CaptDukeNukem]

When did AC start painting their planes? After all these years there is still lots of them with the ugly old paint job.

Good point. I guess if you wait long enough the toothpaste color will return in style.

The only difference I guess in this case, is that swoop no longer exists.

[CaptDukeNukem]

They could at the very least pull a couple bigger stickers and make it look like they are trying…, kinda like bonza and flair.

[MaxAuto]

If they can't paint the swoop planes, imagine how long the Sunwing planes are going to be flying around in their current livery with "Operated by WestJet" stickers on the side. Same with the acquired Lynx aircraft.

[goingnowherefast]

Does anyone ever see Delta, United, JetBlue, Southwest or even Spirit flying around with old paint schemes? Or is it just a Canadian thing to have old paint on our planes?

[twa22]

Does anyone ever see Delta, United, JetBlue, Southwest or even Spirit flying around with old paint schemes? Or is it just a Canadian thing to have old paint on our planes?

United has lots of planes flying around in the old United/Continental hybrid paint...

[CaptDukeNukem]

Does anyone ever see Delta, United, JetBlue, Southwest or even Spirit flying around with old paint schemes? Or is it just a Canadian thing to have old paint on our planes?

Old paint is one thing. Flying planes with paint from an airline that no longer exists is an entirely different topic

[CaptDukeNukem]

Does anyone ever see Delta, United, JetBlue, Southwest or even Spirit flying around with old paint schemes? Or is it just a Canadian thing to have old paint on our planes?

United has lots of planes flying around in the old United/Continental hybrid paint...

Yea the continental argument I can get onboard with.

At least it had the same colours and basically the same pattern. Swoop and WJ worlds apart in both.

[rudder]

Does anyone ever see Delta, United, JetBlue, Southwest or even Spirit flying around with old paint schemes? Or is it just a Canadian thing to have old paint on our planes?

Old paint is one thing. Flying planes with paint from an airline that no longer exists is an entirely different topic

Every airline CEO wants to ‘re-launch’ the airline (fresh start). Seems many feel that new branding (paint job/uniforms) is part of that.

RM was responsible for the bird’s egg blue (post-CCAA) and CR was the current AC white and black. MR hasn’t done anything (yet). Still lots of AC planes flying around in the 2004 vintage paint. Some looking very tired…….

[twa22]

Does anyone ever see Delta, United, JetBlue, Southwest or even Spirit flying around with old paint schemes? Or is it just a Canadian thing to have old paint on our planes?

United has lots of planes flying around in the old United/Continental hybrid paint...

Yea the continental argument I can get onboard with.

At least it had the same colours and basically the same pattern. Swoop and WJ worlds apart in both.

Yup fair points, I was more referring to the AC old/new scheme, indeed the whole swoop paint and operated by westjet seems a bit odd to be flying around like that indefinitely

[CaptDukeNukem]

United has lots of planes flying around in the old United/Continental hybrid paint...

Yea the continental argument I can get onboard with.

At least it had the same colours and basically the same pattern. Swoop and WJ worlds apart in both.

Yup fair points, I was more referring to the AC old/new scheme, indeed the whole swoop paint and operated by westjet seems a bit odd to be flying around like that indefinitely

Nah, I loved your comment. I actually forgot about continental. Cheers mate

[Stratopaused]

If they can't paint the swoop planes, imagine how long the Sunwing planes are going to be flying around in their current livery with "Operated by WestJet" stickers on the side. Same with the acquired Lynx aircraft.

The Lynx aircraft were prioritized for repainting, and I believe they have now all been completed.

[dontcallmeshirley]

Does anyone ever see Delta, United, JetBlue, Southwest or even Spirit flying around with old paint schemes? Or is it just a Canadian thing to have old paint on our planes?

I'm pretty sure I saw the rainbow Spirit paint scheme in New York a week or two ago.
It took four years for Delta to paint all of it's mainline aircraft.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Does anyone ever see Delta, United, JetBlue, Southwest or even Spirit flying around with old paint schemes? Or is it just a Canadian thing to have old paint on our planes?

I'm pretty sure I saw the rainbow Spirit paint scheme in New York a week or two ago.
It took four years for Delta to paint all of it's mainline aircraft.

And yet 20 years later, we still doing walkarounds on old cracked toothpaste blue paint schemes by AC, or stickers masking the previous owner

[Blackdog0301]

2) have they been outfitted with wifi / entertainment or is that still an issue with people that pay for WestJet but get swoop equipment?

The 10 Swoop NGs have the inflight entertainment that all Westjet tails have. The 6 Swoop Max's and 9 Lynx tails do not have entertainment.

[dontcallmeshirley]

And yet 20 years later, we still doing walkarounds on old cracked toothpaste blue paint schemes by AC, or stickers masking the previous owner

It took Delta 14 years to paint all of it's aircraft in a single livery.

I for one don't really care what the plane is painted in.... most people won't see it or care. The mechanical and interior cosmetic status are what get noticed.

[Nauclerus]

Air Canada still has some planes flying around in the old TCA Trans Canada Airlines colours. Talking about slow, when was that changed 1966 ?

[CaptDukeNukem]

And yet 20 years later, we still doing walkarounds on old cracked toothpaste blue paint schemes by AC, or stickers masking the previous owner

It took Delta 14 years to paint all of it's aircraft in a single livery.

I for one don't really care what the plane is painted in.... most people won't see it or care. The mechanical and interior cosmetic status are what get noticed.

I disagree. I think people look out the window when the plane pulls up. That’s the first impression. Especially if they purchased a ticket on WestJet, and a “Swoop” plane parks at their gate. First impressions top the charts as to satisfaction scores

Already, they are confused at a minimum.
Marketing and branding is huge these days. And delaying aircraft repainting of a now defunct airline is absolutely ridiculous.

Lynx planes got painted quick fast, because they weren’t their own planes.

I’m suggesting that the world needs to strike off that “swoop” as fast as possible. This was all calculated in costs during ALPA and company meetings I’m sure

Maybe someone could provide info as to how many WJ planes are still painted pink.

[Gear Jerker]

I believe the plan is to have them all painted, cabins standardized and equipped with the Starlink/Telus wifi within 18 months. That is to say, interior standardized fleet wide, old Swoop, Lynx and Sunwing tails painted in WJ livery, and the balance of the fleet with the old WJ livery probably painted when it's economical to do so in terms of each tail's maintenance schedule.

I agree that the exterior is definitely an aspect of customer satisfaction and ultimately what the bean counters care about; the NPS, but I think that arriving on time with bags, and not feeling resentful about the value proposition (price vs service level and interactions with staff) are far more important than the exterior appearance.

[cdnavater]

Air Canada still has some planes flying around in the old TCA Trans Canada Airlines colours. Talking about slow, when was that changed 1966 ?

Umm, I hope you’re kidding, those are retro painted to pay tribute!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Has WJ repainted its Disney planes that it no longer has contracts with? I haven’t seen them around

[CaptDukeNukem]

Air Canada still has some planes flying around in the old TCA Trans Canada Airlines colours. Talking about slow, when was that changed 1966 ?

Umm, I hope you’re kidding, those are retro painted to pay tribute!

Those are bad ass vintages liveries, I say. Fly more of those for sure

[CaptDukeNukem]

I believe the plan is to have them all painted, cabins standardized and equipped with the Starlink/Telus wifi within 18 months. That is to say, interior standardized fleet wide, old Swoop, Lynx and Sunwing tails painted in WJ livery, and the balance of the fleet with the old WJ livery probably painted when it's economical to do so in terms of each tail's maintenance schedule.

I agree that the exterior is definitely an aspect of customer satisfaction and ultimately what the bean counters care about; the NPS, but I think that arriving on time with bags, and not feeling resentful about the value proposition (price vs service level and interactions with staff) are far more important than the exterior appearance.

100% agree that it needs to coincide with maintenance schedules. But this is already far exceeding the time frame for maintenance versus when WestJet regained swoop flying , thus ending swoop