911 conspiracy nut

Hickory Stick · Post by **Hickory Stick** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:38 am

Warning this link will take you to a video that is about an hour long. Have a look if you have nothing better to do. Quite interesting, but very scary if its true! But hell, how would anyone ever know?

Cheers

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ose+change

swede · Post by **swede** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:50 am

Funny how everyone who questions the "official" version of 911 is a conspiracy nut, while the frat boys and psychopaths who perpetrated it (the later being people like Cheney and Rummy), are still ensconced in the ivy league halls of power. Oh, and heres a conspiracy theory, what about the roughly 3000 jews who were supposed to be at work in the world's foremost banking centre, the world trade centre, they werent at work that day, just lucky I guess or maybe they all had to go to a bar mitzvah, or did they all just get caught in traffic that morning??

Go figure..

TheCheez · Post by **TheCheez** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:59 pm

The only thing I'd like explained is, if no UAL or AA planes went into the pentagon or countryside in virginia. What happened to those flights and the real people with real families that were on them? The video is well done, but if they were all government jets, even the ones that went into the towers, where are the people that were supposed to be on the actual flights that morning? If they replaced jets in UAL/AA fleet with modified ones(missiles?), wouldn't someone know? If the jets that crashed were never in the airline's fleet, wouldn't a lot more people know?

I want to see more evidence. They say a bunch of the hijackers are still alive and working for Saudi Airlines? How did they find that out?

The claim is that the government went and did all this and everyone who knows won't talk, but they can't fake an Osama video correctly?

We'll know what really happend in 100 years when China runs the world.

swede · Post by **swede** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:54 pm

It's Alice in Wonderland, every bit of info that is not wanted goes down the memory hole. Whenever the party line is challenged, the lies get repeated like a mantra. Because the U.S. govt ( or more accurately - it's handlers ) controls the media, any evidence, including that from individuals or otherwise, which contradicts the party line, is smeared and/or obliterated. There is no free and open debate between opposing view points, as would be expected in some supposed democratic society. At the rate things are goin, i.e. the endlessly increasing exponential debt bubble and trade deficit, 10 years is likely a closer guess than a 100. I believe a bankrupt nation is no different than a broke individual, sooner or later you hit the wall and become a literal serf. The middle class is pretty well done for, and the disparity between the haves and have-nots, like Joe 1 pack, is more glaring by the day.

talkinghead · Post by **talkinghead** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:42 pm

I always find the LACK of aircraft parts at the crash sites interesting.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:34 pm

OK!!!!!!!! WTF, Am I the only one who has a problem here? Ok so you (everyone who agrees with this & I use that lightly) are all running around yelling and screaming that it wasn’t a passenger jet, that it was some f*** radio controlled turbine powered missile that came off some secret production line somewhere…Same argument about the pentagon etc…
MY ISSUE!!!
I find it VERY hard to find any credibility with this, Now by no means would I say that I could never see this happening from the inside, hell Id put $1000 on their being some form of high treason involved, BUT THESE JETS BEING MILITARY DRONES!!!???

Now why the HELL would you spend god only knows how many hundreds of millions of secret $$s, Have the added security risk of dealing with the disposal of all the legitimate passengers and their AC, and the added risk of getting found out when all you would need to do Is put some crazy MOFO onboard the aircraft and arm them…? I mean honestly, I don’t imagine that it would be hard for someone with the resources we are imagining here to talk to their buddies in the Middle East and have them send over some brainwashed kid who thinks he is doing gods work. Be sure the kid knows the best place to hit, give him a POH, some flight training, and some physical training, arm him and let him know airline/ATC policy…..your good to go!!!! Then for good measure just smooth out any curious noses in your own ranks, so they just slide in under the radar of the CIA, FBI etc…

Total cost : Negligible
Risk of being caught: LOW
Danger IF caught: Non existent, the hijackers think they are on a holy war
And I would argue that it is just as effective, there is a LOT of energy in a fully fueled jet at VNE.
The “Evidence” that is out there to support the idea that these were drones, is in my opinion a joke, and I really don’t even think its worth my time arguing…
But PLEASE common people!!!!!!
Do you REALLLY BELIVE THIS!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?

A frustrated -Walk

rd1331 · Post by **rd1331** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:15 am

There little theory's can be picked apart by any smart person. 757 at 50ft should blow over cars....ummm....anyone heard of relative velocity. Yeah a 747 NOT MOVING at full power will blow over a car, but well moving, no. Common people use your heads. I'm sure a building crashing down would make no sound either, so yeah must have been bombs in the building. A plane crashing into the side of the building would make one and only one bang when it hit. Ohya and my favorite those engines are 7-9 tonnes of titanium, there isn't any magnisium in there. No never, considering most turbine engine casings are made of magnisium.

If the US government wanted to make all that up so they could go to war and get there oil, why wouldn't they plant weapons of mass destruction in some sh&t whole town in the middle of nowhere in iraq so they could say they actually had a real reason to go to war.

Now we all know the US says what they want and controls there media but common thousands of inoccent people lost there life that day and we are basically making a mockery of it by giving morons like that guy the time of day. I personally don't agree with what the US is doing, but obviously this guy has to much time on his hands and not a lot of brains.

justplanecrazy · Post by **justplanecrazy** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:20 am

I think the problem is that everyone wants to believe that the US is an evil empire. That they are in Iraq for oil (although they are being watched closely for this and still no evidence) and that 9/11 was invented by their government and there really isn't a whole continent full of nutcases that want to wipe North America, including Canada off the map. How do you explain the phone calls to loved ones by the people on the planes moments before it went down, try watching the documentries about the actual facts and grieve for the dead, instead of watching someone's attempt to stir the pot.

I think that these conspiracy wakos are dishonouring those that lost their lives on that fatefull day and the many soldiers fighting in Iraq for a cause that they believe and give their lives for. I am ashamed to see some jackass post this on Avcanada. As for the lack of discussion... its called respect for the dead. This is as bad as the Nazi's that claim the hollocost never happend. I hate to say this but I wish that 9/11 had happend in Canada to give us a freaking wake up call and realise that the world is not a wonderland but a sleeping monster that every once in a while wakes up and rears its ugly head. This whole notion of make peace not war and just let everything be and everything will be okay, is crap. 50 years from now when every terrorist cell has nuclear weapons and the capability to launch an attack from over seas, we may see the US as the hero and the only one thinking ahead for our saftey and our Countries freedom. By then we'll be begging for a star wars program that we so quickly dismissed as another US overreaction.

talkinghead · Post by **talkinghead** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:49 am

I am not to sure about the WTC theory's BUT the more I see the more I think, it was Not a 757 that hit the Pentagon. Yes this guy has a-lot OF WHACKED OUT stuff. But that does not mean its ALL whacked.
Have any of you tried to make a cell phone call at high altitudes. I have, it does work, but it takes awhile to get it to work. You would have to take a jetliner (757/767)on that same track at the same altitudes to prove it. The U.S. government is not go to let that happen.

Governments hate open minds

justplanecrazy · Post by **justplanecrazy** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:10 am

talkinghead wrote:I am not to sure about the WTC theory's BUT the more I see the more I think, it was Not a 757 that hit the Pentagon. Yes this guy has a-lot OF WHACKED OUT stuff. But that does not mean its ALL whacked.
Have any of you tried to make a cell phone call at high altitudes. I have, it does work, but it takes awhile to get it to work. You would have to take a jetliner (757/767)on that same track at the same altitudes to prove it. The U.S. government is not go to let that happen.

Governments hate open minds .

Talkinghead I was saying that the numerous calls moments before the planes went down were undeniable proof that it actually happend. The calls were made after the hijackers took over and they were not flying at high altitude. You think governments hate open minds, what about all the people that lost their loved ones when they here crap like this.

talkinghead · Post by **talkinghead** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:35 am

justplanecrazy wrote:
talkinghead wrote:

Governments hate open minds .
Talkinghead I was saying that the numerous calls moments before the planes went down were undeniable proof that it actually happened. The calls were made after the hijackers took over and they were not flying at high altitude. You think governments hate open minds, what about all the people that lost their loved ones when they here crap like this.

No disrespect to those that lost loved ones that day. I truly feel for them and always will.
All I am saying (I guess) is some of the stuff that government has said took place before, during and after 911 is a little hard to believe sometimes. I have not got the time to sit here and type my theory's out and in respect to those that lost loved ones that day I am going to stop right here and say good-day to this thread.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:03 pm

F*** them, come on, it was like what 3000 people? Really guys that’s not a big deal, yes it was very sad etc… etc… etc… boo ho, but really I don’t think that THAT is a justification for the radical change in foreign policy, and I do NOT believe that it is justification to through the constitution out the window…Now Im not going to get started into some huge long winded debate with someone on this topic, and once someone posts “OMG!!! YOU ARE SUCH AN INSESSNITIVE PERSON!!! How would YOU like it if YOU LOST your life or a family members……” I have no intention of responding, because you have already made up your mind…
BUT Put simply, a LOT more people die from far more solvable problems… IE Famine, Malaria, Civil war, AIDS, car accidents, Unprepared Natural disasters, etc… BUT WAIT!!! For some reason this WAS A FAR more important event, I have 2 theories for this;
ONE) other people who die are poor Asians, and Africans, so they don’t mean anything, if your not a rich white guy, then get to the back of the bus, nice little double standard for life that we still have in this world.

TWO) This was used as a political rallying point in an attempt by the NeoCons to get wide spread changes in policy implemented, pull a few strings with your buddies who own the media and the result; you have very rightwing news reports… (NOTE: there is a VERY good documentary out by the BBC, “The Power of Nightmares…” I suggest anyone interested in this on EITHER side of the fence watch it…)

I put up a post a few weeks ago reflecting the differences between public reaction over this garbage compared to public reaction during WW2. What do you think was a more credible threat at the time? But did our grandparents go run and hide? Did they pull down the walls of the political system? No, life went on, if you were a shop keep in London and V2s were going off left right and center, you did NOT close the shop, but today a few lbs of explosive go off, what kill 5 people?!?!?! And the whole city comes to a grinding halt… I don’t know here guys, something just feels wrong to me… … … Was it a jet or a drone? My bet is a jet, I think it would have been a lot easier to use what the official story is, than anything else… Was it planed? I doubt we will ever know, My bet is, yes someone put something into motion, even if it was as simple as turning a blind eye to security watch lists in the hope something medium sized would happen…but like I said I doubt we will ever know…
And for using THIS as justification for what has happened in the world the last 5 years,… well people, im NOT going to even START walking down THAT path,…

-walking

swede · Post by **swede** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:36 pm

Walker wrote:F*** BUT Put simply, a LOT more people die from far more solvable problems… IE Famine, Malaria, Civil war, AIDS, car accidents, Unprepared Natural disasters, etc… BUT WAIT!!! For some reason this WAS A FAR more important event, I have 2 theories for this;
ONE) other people who die are poor Asians, and Africans, so they don’t mean anything, if your not a rich white guy, then get to the back of the bus, nice little double standard for life that we still have in this world.

TWO) This was used as a political rallying point in an attempt by the NeoCons to get wide spread changes in policy implemented, pull a few strings with your buddies who own the media and the result; you have very rightwing news reports… (NOTE: there is a VERY good documentary out by the BBC, “The Power of Nightmares…” I suggest anyone interested in this on EITHER side of the fence watch it…)

I put up a post a few weeks ago reflecting the differences between public reaction over this garbage compared to public reaction during WW2. What do you think was a more credible threat at the time? But did our grandparents go run and hide? Did they pull down the walls of the political system? No, life went on, if you were a shop keep in London and V2s were going off left right and center, you did NOT close the shop, but today a few lbs of explosive go off, what kill 5 people?!?!?! And the whole city comes to a grinding halt… I don’t know here guys, something just feels wrong to me… … … Was it a jet or a drone? My bet is a jet, I think it would have been a lot easier to use what the official story is, than anything else… Was it planed? I doubt we will ever know, My bet is, yes someone put something into motion, even if it was as simple as turning a blind eye to security watch lists in the hope something medium sized would happen…but like I said I doubt we will ever know…
And for using THIS as justification for what has happened in the world the last 5 years,… well people, im NOT going to even START walking down THAT path,…

-walking

I agree with you, the fear mongering (propigated by the govt.) that has followed 911 has been outrageous. They make out like 911 was some sacred cow of far greater import and gravity than for example, Truman wiping out several hundred thousand Japanese in two days for the ostensible purpose of ending WWII (I am not arguing that point either way cause I dont know if that attack was necessary or not - apparently the Japs were simply looking for the time to get out and save face and some honor, which is I hear very important in that culture). It seems it has become laudable to be a cowering, sniveling snitch and coward, running around pissing and moaning like a bunch of paranoid chicken littles. Everyone is looking over their shoulders - still, and crying wolf whenever they sense the possibility of a threat from anything or anywhere. They just recently gunned some guy down at a U.S. airport for alledgedly saying he had placed a bomb. He was unarmed! Like come on. Then there was the depraved, subhuman display on a SW Airlines flight about 3 years aqo, some guy who was deranged was beating on the cockpit door in flight, He was not going to get in, but passengers held him on the floor and jumped on his chest until they killed him or shall I say murdered him. There were no charges laid, people applauded what a great act of heroism it was to kill someone in cold blood, who was already subdued. People are too blame as much as govt., when it became obvious that Bush and co. lied about the wmd's etc as a front to attack Iraq, they should all have been turfed from office and probably jailed. No one gives a shit, the lies and duplicity carry on, the end result is not going to be pretty and it seems that the pendulum has gone to far to be corrected, without a huge social upheaval and a whole bunch of carnage on this continent. - something that will make 911, possibly even Hiroshima (if the neocons make good on their threat to nuke Iran), look like a Sunday school picnic.

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:55 pm

swede, I'm curious? If you're against lies and deception, How you going to vote in the upcoming election?

Also, Just wanted to add a point about the necessity of droping the bombs on Japan. Although you claimed not to argue the point either way, you did. I would suggest you do some research on how the Japenese treated american soldiers, or chinese civilians for that matter, before you ever try to associate words like "honour" with the people of WW11 Japan

Floats

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:01 pm

sorry, I guess I changed the subject. I don't buy any of this loony bin shit. A conspiracy of this magnitude could never be covered up. I've heard people talk about explosions in the basement. Ever watch the video of the towers falling? It didn't start crumbling from the base. The first floors to collapse were at the top, that started a domino affect.
Now, I have no problem with people questioning the govt, of what they knew or didn't know. But to actually believe this story, I mean come on. As someone pointed out, its like arguing the holocaust never happened

Floats

Hotel Tango · Post by **Hotel Tango** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:26 pm

1) I've been able to get cell reception in a fairly remote part of Canada at altitude in a PC-12. That's not TOO far off the altitude of a commercial jet. Although I'm sure the terrorist descended by then anyways and were probably over a part of the U.S. with cell towers EVERYWHERE.

2) Did anyone else notice when the bombs went off in London, how calm and cool everyone was? It was amazing and impressive to say the least. HOWEVER turn on the TV and you would think the entire story revolved around the United States! Bombs explode in London and New York shuts down? LONDON didn't shut down!

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:03 pm

F*** them, come on, it was like what 3000 people? Really guys that’s not a big deal, yes it was very sad etc… etc… etc… boo ho, but really I don’t think that THAT is a justification for the radical change in foreign policy, and I do NOT believe that it is justification to through the constitution out the window…

Jesus was just 1 man and look at how many people got and still get their panties in a knot over it

I would suggest you do some research on how the Japenese treated american soldiers, or chinese civilians for that matter, before you ever try to associate words like "honour" with the people of WW11 Japan

Where did Canada and USA cattle up the Canadian/US-Japs??? Maybe you should look at how our own countries handled their own Citizens...

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:07 pm

Floats wrote:sorry, I guess I changed the subject. I don't buy any of this loony bin shit. A conspiracy of this magnitude could never be covered up. I've heard people talk about explosions in the basement. Ever watch the video of the towers falling? It didn't start crumbling from the base. The first floors to collapse were at the top,

WTC 5 was blown up from the ground.

Hickory Stick · Post by **Hickory Stick** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:32 pm

Nothing like a healthy debate. Stimulating the mind is good for you, it makes you smarter.

Better than the usual drivel that is on here.

Merry Christamas Smarties!

Cheers

swede · Post by **swede** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:37 pm

CYYZ - I gather you mean WTC 7, not 5? It was a controlled demolition, I don't believe anyone really questions that - just the motive, but thats another story.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:41 pm

swede wrote:CYYZ - I gather you mean WTC 7, not 5? It was a controlled demolition, I don't believe anyone really questions that - just the motive, but thats another story.

=) Sorry, I heard 5, but yah 7 if thats the one, the one that "couldn't stay up for safety reasons".. =)

2low · Post by **2low** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:32 pm

I for one think it was well done. I do believe there is something else going on. A 757 did not hit the Pentagon. I think the video is mostly right on, although there are some points like the rockets on the 767 that are pretty far fetched. My question is the same as above, what happend to the aircraft if it wasn't a passenger plane that hit the WTC?. But what do I know, Im retarted.

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:05 am

Where did Canada and USA cattle up the Canadian/US-Japs??? Maybe you should look at how our own countries handled their own Citizens...

The camps in Canada, although unfortunate to begin with, were club med in comparision.

This is not really the topic of the thread, so I'll end here