Reasons to come to Air Canada (… or not)

[Tbayer2021]

Indeed. Why is the question.

I would assume it is because AC pilots have a rich history of shitting on everyone else. For every action......

[Canadianpilot2024]

-We have a commuting policy now
-year one take home is about $5000 a month now

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

-We have a commuting policy now
-year one take home is about $5000 a month now

What kind of creative accounting is that??

$87 / hr × 75 hrs = $6525

How on earth does that become $5k after taxes??

Commuting from Mexico maybe?

[rudder]

-We have a commuting policy now
-year one take home is about $5000 a month now

What kind of creative accounting is that??

$87 / hr × 75 hrs = $6525

How on earth does that become $5k after taxes??

Commuting from Mexico maybe?

The only safe bet is 900 x hourly rate (CBA annual pay guarantee). Several rosters @ less than 75 in low season.

[Landingstrip]

Why do so many people hate on “flat pay”? Flat pay is not the problem, it’s the amount they pay that’s the issue. Your initial pay should not be based on luck of the draw. You draw a 220 and buddy next to you gets the 777 on day one and makes a pile more. Type pay is actually stupid, what is actually different up front. V1 rotate positive rate…. Your not any more or any less response because of how many people your bus can seat. It should be you are a captain or a first officer that’s it that’s all.

Thank goodness you aren't on anyones negotiating committee

Except that he's totally right

[flying4dollars]

Why do so many people hate on “flat pay”? Flat pay is not the problem, it’s the amount they pay that’s the issue. Your initial pay should not be based on luck of the draw. You draw a 220 and buddy next to you gets the 777 on day one and makes a pile more. Type pay is actually stupid, what is actually different up front. V1 rotate positive rate…. Your not any more or any less response because of how many people your bus can seat. It should be you are a captain or a first officer that’s it that’s all.

Thank goodness you aren't on anyones negotiating committee

Except that he's totally right

Except he's totally not. If he was, why aren't other airlines adopting this practice?

[N181CS]

Air Transat has done that… Cargo Jet does it. It’s done because that’s what people have voted for, not because it’s actually true. I have been in the front of a few wides and read a few checklists. Have not seen anything different, still an airplane.

[Landingstrip]

Thank goodness you aren't on anyones negotiating committee

Except that he's totally right

Except he's totally not. If he was, why aren't other airlines adopting this practice?

You're just wrong and I'm not the only one trying to explain it to you. No new hires would be opposed to 2 year flat pay starting at 120k and then going to 140k would they? So the fact that it's flat pay is not in of itself the issue, it's the amount.

[Dockjock]

New hire pay is the dumbest, most stubborn, cockroach of an issue in the entire industry. We’ll be arguing about this forever. Take it, or leave it. Those are the choices.

[CaptDukeNukem]

New hire pay is the dumbest, most stubborn, cockroach of an issue in the entire industry. We’ll be arguing about this forever. Take it, or leave it. Those are the choices.

Trouble is,
People are taking it.
Fly a triple in 3 months!!!?? Amazing

[NickGurr]

New hire pay is the dumbest, most stubborn, cockroach of an issue in the entire industry. We’ll be arguing about this forever. Take it, or leave it. Those are the choices.

Youre giving off small dick boomer energy

[CaptDukeNukem]

E1-175 FOs at envoy laughing at you guys everytime they get told to follow the AC heavy down Alpha hotel to 23.

[flying4dollars]

Except that he's totally right

Except he's totally not. If he was, why aren't other airlines adopting this practice?

You're just wrong and I'm not the only one trying to explain it to you. No new hires would be opposed to 2 year flat pay starting at 120k and then going to 140k would they? So the fact that it's flat pay is not in of itself the issue, it's the amount.

That wasn't the point I was arguing. I've already written posts saying the same thing about the amount. It's the statement about "type pay being stupid because the job itself is the same no matter what plane you fly", that I was disagreeing with. Hence why I said no other [comparable] airline just flat pays their pilots no matter what type they fly indefinitely. So no, I'm not wrong. And sure, neither is he with respect to that statement. But that's not what this profession dictates. AC nor our own pilots need to reinvent the wheel there.

[Landingstrip]

Except he's totally not. If he was, why aren't other airlines adopting this practice?

You're just wrong and I'm not the only one trying to explain it to you. No new hires would be opposed to 2 year flat pay starting at 120k and then going to 140k would they? So the fact that it's flat pay is not in of itself the issue, it's the amount.

That wasn't the point I was arguing. I've already written posts saying the same thing about the amount. It's the statement about "type pay being stupid because the job itself is the same no matter what plane you fly", that I was disagreeing with. Hence why I said no other [comparable] airline just flat pays their pilots no matter what type they fly indefinitely. So no, I'm not wrong. And sure, neither is he with respect to that statement. But that's not what this profession dictates. AC nor our own pilots need to reinvent the wheel there.

I've never heard anyone say "type pay being stupid because the job itself is the same no matter what plane you fly". It's not the same to fly a 777 than a A220. However its luck based on what type you get when you're hired, so to be fair everyone should initially make the same. (First 2 years or so). After 2 years most people would have the chance to switch fleets to what they really want.

Who wants flat pay indefinitely? I've never heard that either.

I'm not sure where you're getting these things from, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that 2 year flat pay is fair and a good way to handle it. The amount is too low but thats the only issue with it.

[flying4dollars]

You're just wrong and I'm not the only one trying to explain it to you. No new hires would be opposed to 2 year flat pay starting at 120k and then going to 140k would they? So the fact that it's flat pay is not in of itself the issue, it's the amount.

That wasn't the point I was arguing. I've already written posts saying the same thing about the amount. It's the statement about "type pay being stupid because the job itself is the same no matter what plane you fly", that I was disagreeing with. Hence why I said no other [comparable] airline just flat pays their pilots no matter what type they fly indefinitely. So no, I'm not wrong. And sure, neither is he with respect to that statement. But that's not what this profession dictates. AC nor our own pilots need to reinvent the wheel there.

I've never heard anyone say "type pay being stupid because the job itself is the same no matter what plane you fly". It's not the same to fly a 777 than a A220. However its luck based on what type you get when you're hired, so to be fair everyone should initially make the same. (First 2 years or so). After 2 years most people would have the chance to switch fleets to what they really want.

Who wants flat pay indefinitely? I've never heard that either.

I'm not sure where you're getting these things from, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that 2 year flat pay is fair and a good way to handle it. The amount is too low but thats the only issue with it.

I was referencing N181CS's post. Which is why you replied to mine. Again, I'm not arguing the merit of a one year probation pay. Maybe go back and reread the posts.