Example Schedule

[RayJr]

Hello,

Just wondering if any Jazz pilots on here could post their schedule (or old schedule) as an example for us to see?

There is a lot reference to schedules, pairings, days off etc. Curious to see how that looks on an actual schedule.

Hopefully that's not a rude question or anything.

Thanks very much

[link821]

lot of variables based your seniority, position, type and base rn..Junior Captain in yvr averaging 12(min guarantee) to 14 days off so far in 2024. i commute so i bid for afternoon starts and to stack as much of my flying together to try to get larger breaks off at home. I will say it is great to have an actual human that you can get to know, doing our block building.

[CaptDukeNukem]

lot of variables based your seniority, position, type and base rn..Junior Captain in yvr averaging 12(min guarantee) to 14 days off so far in 2024. i commute so i bid for afternoon starts and to stack as much of my flying together to try to get larger breaks off at home. I will say it is great to have an actual human that you can get to know, doing our block building.

Humans are cool. so are paychecks. YVR game has just changed for y’all

[truedude]

lot of variables based your seniority, position, type and base rn..Junior Captain in yvr averaging 12(min guarantee) to 14 days off so far in 2024. i commute so i bid for afternoon starts and to stack as much of my flying together to try to get larger breaks off at home. I will say it is great to have an actual human that you can get to know, doing our block building.

Humans are cool. so are paychecks. YVR game has just changed for y’all

Sure did! But I'm sure AC will continue to play dumb, and continue with their plan of doing nothing because this will just sort itself out if they do nothing.

[cavok9909]

hoping to get more info on schedules.

What is the paring breakdown for a new YYZ FO (amount of 1 day paring vs. 2 days vs. 3 days, etc.)?

What YYZ a/c type would offer the quickest way to 1-2 pairings, and how long would it take?

Thanks for the help.

[truedude]

hoping to get more info on schedules.

What is the paring breakdown for a new YYZ FO (amount of 1 day paring vs. 2 days vs. 3 days, etc.)?

What YYZ a/c type would offer the quickest way to 1-2 pairings, and how long would it take?

Thanks for the help.

Right now we are working way to much. Expect 17 to 18 days a month. It is ridiculous, and in my opinion, unsustainable. People are going to get burnt out. Not sure about YYZ on all aircraft, but expect to be on reserve for a while, and then working the worst 4 and 3 day pairings in existence until you are senior.

If work life balance is something you are shooting for, at the moment, Jazz is not the place to achieve it.

[Inverted2]

hoping to get more info on schedules.

What is the paring breakdown for a new YYZ FO (amount of 1 day paring vs. 2 days vs. 3 days, etc.)?

What YYZ a/c type would offer the quickest way to 1-2 pairings, and how long would it take?

Thanks for the help.

Right now we are working way to much. Expect 17 to 18 days a month. It is ridiculous, and in my opinion, unsustainable. People are going to get burnt out. Not sure about YYZ on all aircraft, but expect to be on reserve for a while, and then working the worst 4 and 3 day pairings in existence until you are senior.

If work life balance is something you are shooting for, at the moment, Jazz is not the place to achieve it.

Seems like the company is going out of its way to make all the pairings shitty. They mostly all have long sits during the day and short layovers. Yes people are going to get burnt out.

[cavok9909]

hoping to get more info on schedules.

What is the paring breakdown for a new YYZ FO (amount of 1 day paring vs. 2 days vs. 3 days, etc.)?

What YYZ a/c type would offer the quickest way to 1-2 pairings, and how long would it take?

Thanks for the help.

Right now we are working way to much. Expect 17 to 18 days a month. It is ridiculous, and in my opinion, unsustainable. People are going to get burnt out. Not sure about YYZ on all aircraft, but expect to be on reserve for a while, and then working the worst 4 and 3 day pairings in existence until you are senior.

If work life balance is something you are shooting for, at the moment, Jazz is not the place to achieve it.

I am definitely looking for work-life balance as I have a young family.
Thanks for the info Truedude, very helpful in deciding where to throw in a resume.

[rudder]

hoping to get more info on schedules.

What is the paring breakdown for a new YYZ FO (amount of 1 day paring vs. 2 days vs. 3 days, etc.)?

What YYZ a/c type would offer the quickest way to 1-2 pairings, and how long would it take?

Thanks for the help.

Right now we are working way to much. Expect 17 to 18 days a month. It is ridiculous, and in my opinion, unsustainable. People are going to get burnt out. Not sure about YYZ on all aircraft, but expect to be on reserve for a while, and then working the worst 4 and 3 day pairings in existence until you are senior.

If work life balance is something you are shooting for, at the moment, Jazz is not the place to achieve it.

I am definitely looking for work-life balance as I have a young family.
Thanks for the info Truedude, very helpful in deciding where to throw in a resume.

Jazz is 16-19 works days per month (less vacation days). That applies to both senior and junior - blockholder and RSV.

No reason to expect change based on the type of flying done on behalf of AC, and the credits/scheduling rules in the CBA (in force until 2035).

[Inverted2]

Thank goodness for the generous sick time allowance at Jazz. I call in a few times a year whether I need to or not. No 19 day months for this guy.

[truedude]

Thank goodness for the generous sick time allowance at Jazz. I call in a few times a year whether I need to or not. No 19 day months for this guy.

Should never have to work more than 16 days a month, other than by choice. Up until a couple years ago I rarely saw more than 16 days. Not it is rare to see less than 18 days that I am scheduled for. I don't see how this is sustainable. Min daily credit needs to be 5.

[lucky1993]

How many days would one be flying if they bid reserve?

[rudder]

How many days would one be flying if they bid reserve?

If you are FO, they can only use you in the right seat. So basically depends on number of FO’s on RSV on your airplane type.

If you are a CA, you can be assigned to either seat so it increases the odds of an assignment if you are on RSV (depending on whether there are any RSV FO’s available). Technically they are supposed to WDO (offer overtime) an FO prior to assigning a CA to right seat duties, but that is not always demonstrated.

Steady state staffing, a RSV FO would expect to be assigned flight duty on 50-60% of RSV days. Understaffed more. Overstaffed less.

[limawhiskey]

Anyone have FO example skeds?? Preferably YVR. I know they vary by seniority, month, bids, etc. But I’m curious despite that. I want to see these ugly pairings.

[Dime]

I’m a relatively high seniority FO at YVR on the RJ so throwing my 2 cents on here.
Recently we have been flying avg blocking hours of 77.5 hrs per month and working 14-16 days per month. Even the lowest seniority guys on the RJ in YVR are working on average 15-16 days max at the moment. They do however get the awful 3 day continuous duties to YZF and single days to YXE. This month a bunch of YYJ hops have turned up too.

IMO pairings have been getting more efficient recently (on average) and typical days can be 1-4 legs of 2-4 hours flight time.

Better seniority gives you a better chance at getting a better schedule based on your wants/needs, but a new hire holding a block on the RJ in YVR can expect 15-16 days worked with a mix of CDs on their schedule. I’m not too sure on other bases and types.

A lot of rumours going around about AC and such at the moment but overall Jazz is a pretty decent place to work.

[RoAF-Mig21]

Not only is your schedule based on seniority, but also on where you live.

If it were up to me, in an ideal world, I would do single day turns, every time, all the time. I would overnight very rarely. I could never do that, because I bid as many days in a row as I can legally do. Why? Because I don't live anywhere near my home airport. Commuting will force you to bid a certain way.

So the moral of the story. Even senior pilots have different prefferences (by choice or forced). Some senior pilots want single days, some want two, some want four, some want reserve. Some want to work weekends because the traffic is less crazy. Some take vacation in February to go see family in the Southern Hemisphere and escape the winter.

Bids are as diverse as our workforce. (Not trying to sound cheesy. It's the truth. Everyone is different)

[limawhiskey]

I’m a relatively high seniority FO at YVR on the RJ so throwing my 2 cents on here.
Recently we have been flying avg blocking hours of 77.5 hrs per month and working 14-16 days per month. Even the lowest seniority guys on the RJ in YVR are working on average 15-16 days max at the moment. They do however get the awful 3 day continuous duties to YZF and single days to YXE. This month a bunch of YYJ hops have turned up too.

IMO pairings have been getting more efficient recently (on average) and typical days can be 1-4 legs of 2-4 hours flight time.

Better seniority gives you a better chance at getting a better schedule based on your wants/needs, but a new hire holding a block on the RJ in YVR can expect 15-16 days worked with a mix of CDs on their schedule. I’m not too sure on other bases and types.

A lot of rumours going around about AC and such at the moment but overall Jazz is a pretty decent place to work.

Love this answer, thanks for the input! Is there lots of available OT on the RJ in Vancouver? Or does it vary?

[rudder]

I’m a relatively high seniority FO at YVR on the RJ so throwing my 2 cents on here.
Recently we have been flying avg blocking hours of 77.5 hrs per month and working 14-16 days per month. Even the lowest seniority guys on the RJ in YVR are working on average 15-16 days max at the moment. They do however get the awful 3 day continuous duties to YZF and single days to YXE. This month a bunch of YYJ hops have turned up too.

IMO pairings have been getting more efficient recently (on average) and typical days can be 1-4 legs of 2-4 hours flight time.

Better seniority gives you a better chance at getting a better schedule based on your wants/needs, but a new hire holding a block on the RJ in YVR can expect 15-16 days worked with a mix of CDs on their schedule. I’m not too sure on other bases and types.

A lot of rumours going around about AC and such at the moment but overall Jazz is a pretty decent place to work.

Love this answer, thanks for the input! Is there lots of available OT on the RJ in Vancouver? Or does it vary?

77.5/16 = 4.84

Nice.

[Dime]

I’m a relatively high seniority FO at YVR on the RJ so throwing my 2 cents on here.
Recently we have been flying avg blocking hours of 77.5 hrs per month and working 14-16 days per month. Even the lowest seniority guys on the RJ in YVR are working on average 15-16 days max at the moment. They do however get the awful 3 day continuous duties to YZF and single days to YXE. This month a bunch of YYJ hops have turned up too.

IMO pairings have been getting more efficient recently (on average) and typical days can be 1-4 legs of 2-4 hours flight time.

Better seniority gives you a better chance at getting a better schedule based on your wants/needs, but a new hire holding a block on the RJ in YVR can expect 15-16 days worked with a mix of CDs on their schedule. I’m not too sure on other bases and types.

A lot of rumours going around about AC and such at the moment but overall Jazz is a pretty decent place to work.

Love this answer, thanks for the input! Is there lots of available OT on the RJ in Vancouver? Or does it vary?

No worries!

Not really on the FO side at the moment. Stuff pops up into open time for sure but it’s mostly CDs or the occasional book off by another pilot. Seems fairly consistent over the last few months.

[cavok9909]

hoping to get more info on schedules.

What is the paring breakdown for a new YYZ FO (amount of 1 day paring vs. 2 days vs. 3 days, etc.)?

What YYZ a/c type would offer the quickest way to 1-2 pairings, and how long would it take?

Thanks for the help.

Right now we are working way to much. Expect 17 to 18 days a month. It is ridiculous, and in my opinion, unsustainable. People are going to get burnt out. Not sure about YYZ on all aircraft, but expect to be on reserve for a while, and then working the worst 4 and 3 day pairings in existence until you are senior.

If work life balance is something you are shooting for, at the moment, Jazz is not the place to achieve it.

Seems like the company is going out of its way to make all the pairings shitty. They mostly all have long sits during the day and short layovers. Yes people are going to get burnt out.

hey everyone, its been 5-6 months since this last post, and I'm wondering if the YYZ scheduling/pairings improved at all.
I'm most interested in hearing on the amount of 1 day, 2 day, and 3 day pairings and what the average/norm is for YYZ. I heard they even have 5 day pairings; is that true?

Thanks again.

[CanadianGlobetrotter]

The company has recently invested heavily into a new software for pairing optimizations. For November, it definitely made a difference, at least for the E175. The bulk of pairings were either 2 day or 4 day pairings this month, but almost all of them received higher block time averages, shorter sits, and in general just more efficient turns.

I can’t speak for the other planes, but I would say this resulted in less days worked overall for the month across the board. For me, being a lower seniority block holder, it meant better pairings, with more nights at home as I was almost exclusively assigned two day pairings. The downside being the drive to and from work, more frequently.

An example schedule still looks roughly the same as always, except with less days that have a single leg. 3-4 legs per day is the norm. On a four day pairing, you might fly 3 legs, 4 legs, 2 legs, 3 legs. Averaging about 1.5 hours per flight, sit time seems to be less than an hour in between legs. You’ll see a lot of New York.

With regards to 5 day pairings, I have never seen or heard of such a thing. However, there are some pairings that arrive late on day 4 that your duty time technically may drag into the next day. So that might be what you are referring to.

If you have any specific questions, feel free to shoot them across.

Right now we are working way to much. Expect 17 to 18 days a month. It is ridiculous, and in my opinion, unsustainable. People are going to get burnt out. Not sure about YYZ on all aircraft, but expect to be on reserve for a while, and then working the worst 4 and 3 day pairings in existence until you are senior.

If work life balance is something you are shooting for, at the moment, Jazz is not the place to achieve it.

Seems like the company is going out of its way to make all the pairings shitty. They mostly all have long sits during the day and short layovers. Yes people are going to get burnt out.

hey everyone, its been 5-6 months since this last post, and I'm wondering if the YYZ scheduling/pairings improved at all.
I'm most interested in hearing on the amount of 1 day, 2 day, and 3 day pairings and what the average/norm is for YYZ. I heard they even have 5 day pairings; is that true?

Thanks again.

[cavok9909]

Thank you, CanadianGlobetrotter, for the reply, The new changes are exciting to hear about!

[Me262]

Encore seems to be a lot better for scheduling.

You can hold a block day 1 with social bidding. Unless you plan in making Jazz a career, seniority won't be of an advantage for you. You end up working only 8 days a month for full MMG (72x75hrs) because they have too many FOs due to social bidding with no reserve as #1 priority. That's pretty sweet if you don't care too much about building hours fast (about 250hrs/year). Currently at Jazz you make 300$ less working 18-19 days a month on reserve.

And you can fly business standby on WJ unlike economy only on AC.

[cdnavater]

Encore seems to be a lot better for scheduling.

You can hold a block day 1 with social bidding. Unless you plan in making Jazz a career, seniority won't be of an advantage for you. You end up working only 8 days a month for full MMG (72x75hrs) because they have too many FOs due to social bidding with no reserve as #1 priority. That's pretty sweet if you don't care too much about building hours fast (about 250hrs/year). Currently at Jazz you make 300$ less working 18-19 days a month on reserve.

And you can fly business standby on WJ unlike economy only on AC.

Seems logical, why aren’t you applying to Encore, might be quicker to AC, since the lack of PICUS and not building hours, seems like a no brainer to me.

[yowflyer23]

The bulk of pairings were either 2 day or 4 day pairings this month, but almost all of them received higher block time averages, shorter sits, and in general just more efficient turns.

On the E175 I'm still seeing a decent amount of 3-4 hour sits. Also lots of sits that are just slightly longer than 1hr30 requiring going through customs again. Most days are 2-3 ~1.5 hour legs. Is what it is, but I wouldn't say things are drastically more efficient.