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Why this job pay like sh*t?

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I cannot help it but to vent out my frustrations regarding this industry and the AME profession. Why do all jobs in the aviation industry seem to pay so low and why does the AME profession pay so f*cking low and top out so f*cking low after all their demands?

An RPN in Canada which require just a 2-year diploma starts out at $32/hr with no experience. What the f*cking sh*t, that is how much we make with decades of experience and multiple endorsements. And how come an ACA pay just $2/hr more? Lol, you must be f*cking kidding me! An RPN has mobility such as you can go back to school, get your 4-year degree and become RN while this job is just dead-end! Let me ask you this: how many people do you see in this industry that is a jack-of-all-trades? It is common and it means nothing in terms of money!

It is so f*cking frustrating that this job is so expensive and demand too much all while you start out with minimum wage then gradually to peanuts. This is a very small industry also that require you to move everytime you get a f*cking job.

Here in this country, we are stuck in this rat's race and expensive cost of living and this job is just not doing it for me! Lol! Pursuing this career is a race to the bottom!

I have had enough with this abusive work and I threw in the towel a long time ago! Lmao get a f*cking real job people! Get a job in CATSA and they will pay you more just to sit down. Or you could do what I'm doing and make more just to stand up. You heard that correctly! My job is just to stand up and my f*cking god I am making more money than this pathetic AME profession!

This job does not pay decently, in fact, it pays pathetically poor, and this is coming from my own experience when I did this!

I am just so frustrated with money and I am being forced to hustle! Lol! What is up with the pay and the schedule? Is this some kind of a joke?

This profession and this industry is ridiculous! How do you people survive doing this job with it's pathetic pay? Lol!
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Re: Why this job pay like sh*t?

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ludivicchua wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:19 pm I cannot help it but to vent out my frustrations regarding this industry and the AME profession. Why do all jobs in the aviation industry seem to pay so low and why does the AME profession pay so f*cking low and top out so f*cking low after all their demands?

An RPN in Canada which require just a 2-year diploma starts out at $32/hr with no experience. What the f*cking sh*t, that is how much we make with decades of experience and multiple endorsements. And how come an ACA pay just $2/hr more? Lol, you must be f*cking kidding me! An RPN has mobility such as you can go back to school, get your 4-year degree and become RN while this job is just dead-end! Let me ask you this: how many people do you see in this industry that is a jack-of-all-trades? It is common and it means nothing in terms of money!

It is so f*cking frustrating that this job is so expensive and demand too much all while you start out with minimum wage then gradually to peanuts. This is a very small industry also that require you to move everytime you get a f*cking job.

Here in this country, we are stuck in this rat's race and expensive cost of living and this job is just not doing it for me! Lol! Pursuing this career is a race to the bottom!

I have had enough with this abusive work and I threw in the towel a long time ago! Lmao get a f*cking real job people! Get a job in CATSA and they will pay you more just to sit down. Or you could do what I'm doing and make more just to stand up. You heard that correctly! My job is just to stand up and my f*cking god I am making more money than this pathetic AME profession!

This job does not pay decently, in fact, it pays pathetically poor, and this is coming from my own experience when I did this!

I am just so frustrated with money and I am being forced to hustle! Lol! What is up with the pay and the schedule? Is this some kind of a joke?

This profession and this industry is ridiculous! How do you people survive doing this job with it's pathetic pay? Lol!
I’m not sure what’s more depressing. The current wage situation or your feeling the need to continually denigrate your former colleagues online because Mr. is somehow better than them since he decided to leave the profession and “they” haven’t.

Here’s some food for thought… I can’t seem to remember your ever posting anything positive or useful. Ever. Have you?

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Re: Why this job pay like sh*t?

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Aviation is not for everyone nor is any other job. In this case reading what this guy is saying I would say it’s not for him. Furthermore I believe talking to someone would greatly be in his best interest. Never heard a person be so bitter and twisted about life in general. Not healthy.
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-42 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:30 am Aviation is not for everyone nor is any other job. In this case reading what this guy is saying I would say it’s not for him. Furthermore I believe talking to someone would greatly be in his best interest. Never heard a person be so bitter and twisted about life in general. Not healthy.
Right! The fact that he's not even in the industry anymore (not that I think he was in it long from previous interactions with him.) YET constantly comes back here to an Aviation Maintenance Forum to bash the industry. I'm a true believer that the industry has its on way of weeding out those that can't handle the job, and he was likely one of them. This career isn't for everyone, just the same as any other Career. If you enjoy it, and you work hard you'll make a good living.
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-42 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:30 am Never heard a person be so bitter and twisted about life in general. Not healthy.
Right? Unbelieveable. Guy needs to touch grass for a bit.
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As technicians, we shouldn't result into using gaslighting tactics and other unconventional attacks to serve our own self-interest. No matter how the argument is phrased, who it came from, or who presented it, it does not change the message. You can hear it from Kim Jong-un, you can say it in Russian, in Chinese, you can say it politely, you can say it too directly, it conveys the same thing. The whole point of this discussion is the measly pay, and now you're shifting it to my work ethics, to my experience, and to my medical health, which are completely unrelated? Lol! Address the topic of pay! I expect logic and not a desperate attempt to ostracize! You're clean because what? Because I'm Asian? Here is my authentic self and my frankness! Get straight to the point! Address the pay!

You're not clean! Can't take the hard truth from an oriental? How do you say "can I get a glass of water, please?" In Chinese naturally? It's "I want a glass of water!". It's a more direct language than English you know! So you are acting clean? So I'm twisted for showing lack of eloquence? "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

I put my argument in a very direct way. Rude indeed, but it's direct! Let's not be hypocritical! Look at the content because it conveys the same meaning!
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Re: Why this job pay like sh*t?

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I'm hallucinating things? What are we gonna do with the pay? Obviously I wouldn't recommend this f*cking job or this industry to anybody, and majority of people here won't!

Admit it, the pay is pretty much the lowest sh*t I have ever seen corresponding to it's requirements and responsibilities! Lol!
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Yikes. You lost me well before you decided to bring your ethinicity into the mix. (Why, I have no idea)

I suggest you need to speak to a professional. Life is too short…

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At least you got a job..

In my case, centennial college went as far as to make sure that I would never be able to get any job in Canadian aviation

What a bat s#it crazy school
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Bro, we went to the same school! Ashtonbee campus, right? What a piece of sh*t school! I can testify to that since I went there! It's so true, when I was there, atleast 90% of the students in my program are international students with no PR. Lol! They pay $30k tuition fee, we pay $8k.

Somebody who are more qualified but only has a Korean citizenship was preferred in the hiring process over somebody who is Canadian. It's like this when I was applying for a f*cking job!

Aircraft & aircraft parts assembly is an informal job that is so tiny of an industry that demands a lot from an applicant whenever a rare position is available. There is only a handful of these aerospace manufacturing companies in Canada. How much do they pay? $27/hr top out. The automotive industry pays the same thing! The automotive industry is bigger compared to aviation so there are more available jobs. Line assembly jobs are dead-end jobs and here I am quiet quitting in the automotive. Atleast it pays the bills! Line assembly does not require you to have your own tools which is expensive and cumbersome.
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ludivicchua wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:16 pm Bro, we went to the same school! Ashtonbee campus, right? What a piece of sh*t school! I can testify to that since I went there! It's so true, when I was there, atleast 90% of the students in my program are international students with no PR. Lol!

Somebody who are more qualified but only has a Korean citizenship was preferred in the hiring process over somebody who is Canadian. It's like this when I was applying for a f*cking job!
Yep absolutely crazy school, I hope they get shut down soon
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@TPC I've brought my ethnicity because they are acting upright! Regardless of our race, we are all the same! They can't take a direct statement because what? The truth hurts? Talk about the pay, the lack of opportunities in this industry because it's small, and the big expenses associated with this job! Prove to me that I'm wrong! Don't bring values into this discussion because we don't live in a unipolar world and that is just cancel culture! You're clean? Let's get into the point: is aviation worth the attention or not? Because we all have to make a living over here!

These haters are just full of cancel culture! Look at Rob Ford, former mayor of Toronto, he used to smoke crack. Is it illegal in Canada? No! If confronted about it, does he deny it? No! So what is the problem? That is correct, cancel culture!

Let's not practice this thing, let's talk about the pay! Even if my way of expression is out of your standard, it communicates the same thing. We will look at it logically and talk about it logically. You're not gonna bring up anything outside of the subject! So here it is: talk about the pay!

I wanted to show you that there are different ways of expressing the same thing and that your standard is not the only standard. Let's not practice uprightness!
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This job does not 'pay like sh*t.'

I've been in the industry 37 years. Getting paid exceptionally well by my current employer, and also by my the previous 3 employers going back over 10 years. I won't tell you my numbers because I signed an NDA. The companies I talk to regularly pay very well as well, so I do feel like I have a good idea on the industry.

You come across as someone who didn't have the skills to make it in the industry and got weeded out fairly quickly. It happens. So now you come back here venting about how horrible the industry itself is. But you wouldn't know, you got weeded out.

For your own piece of mind, move on. Find another hobby, website, to pass your time.
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Currently I would say it pays average for the skilled trades but can be harder to apprentice and get licensed due to the industries lack of interest in training and retaining a workforce versus hiring the skills needed immediately. I've heard that with other trades too though, for example a former millwright, who switched careers because their employers only wanted a small number of licensed and therefore more expensive employees. The reason the wages have stagnated is because the large airlines and manufacturing plants who employed the majority of aircraft maintenance engineers were permitted to outsource large amounts of work to other countries which resulted in a surplus workforce and layoffs. This allowed the companies to keep wages low by reducing the bargaining power of the workers. It is starting improve now though due to the current manpower shortage.

There are places where you can make a lot of money but it's not reasonable to expect to land them without personal or work connections. It's a bit like the person carrying the giant prize at the carnival. Maybe they are just really skilled, maybe they have the right friend, or maybe it's just good for business to make everyone think that they can 'win' if they just pay their dues working for lower wages. Most of us are just average, and the average opportunities and pay is what matters.

You might think this is an aviation industry problem but given the rapidly increasing costs of living in Canada, you will likely find the same discussion other places as junior employees are unable to survive and climb the wage scales in the same way that the previous generation did.
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YYCAME wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:45 pm
It is starting improve now though due to the current manpower shortage.
One of the main reason I went to a school as garbage as centennial college was because of the lie that there was a manpower shortage

Hell, I can't even land a dishwasher job

There is no manpower shortage, pay is fine (its cost of living + tax rate that is the problem)

Industry is fine, but centennial college really needs to get shut down, what a disgrace

Absolutely disgusting scam diploma mill
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One word “union”. Get a number. If you think otherwise good luck. And if you can’t find a job washing dishes really good luck.
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UGH!!! Somebody stop feeding this troll....LOL. I went to a great school, but I also researched all the schools across Canada, was lucky enough that one of the better ones was only a couple hours away. I have no idea about centennial college, but I do have colleagues that attended there, and they didn't seem to have issues.
I don't know the poster of this thread, but they have obviously scorned. At what point does it become THEIR fault for what they experienced? And why is the industries fault?? My school, sucked..my pay sucked...this industry doesn't pay shit... ALL OF IT BS! You chose a shitty school (your words) you picked a low paying employer, maybe had you closed your mouth and opened your ears, and eyes. You may have been able to accel. Sad part is when you come out of school, you are an apprentice. You have the most basic of experience that is just the very first step, to be honest it doesn't justify a high wage.
Seems to me, you sound "entitled" you even mention that you are making a poor wage in automotive, and are "quiet quitting". Has it ever dawned on you that maybe you are just a sh*tty mechanic??

As for the job doesn't pay.... Again BS, I start my Engineers out at a 6 figure salary, paid cell phone, on call once a month, paid training with no bond, and generally never work 40 hrs a week.

Also I haven't seen a single post here referring to your ethnicity. How would anyone even know??? Please find another forum, your not helping anyone.
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Wait for it, he he comes with the same reply.
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helicopterray wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:22 pm This job does not 'pay like sh*t.'
You come across as someone who didn't have the skills to make it in the industry and got weeded out fairly quickly. It happens. So now you come back here venting about how horrible the industry itself is. But you wouldn't know, you got weeded out.
I agree. Most guys I know are well over a 100k a year. The good thing about this industry is we tend to wash out the losers pretty quick. Like the old saying "Fit in or #uck off"
As for schooling. The curriculum is basic and gives a person some fundamentals. The real learning is on the job. All schools are pretty much the same, unless the school is heavy on foreign students then the instruction is shit as the instructor spends far to much trying to help a class full of ESL students translate.
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Tantrum1 wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:30 am
At what point does it become THEIR fault for what they experienced? And why is the industries fault?? My school, sucked..my pay sucked...this industry doesn't pay shit... ALL OF IT BS!
Again industry is fine or even great. I wish to be part of it

It is school's fault, by openly encouraging international students to cheat on all their exams and providing a system that is much more friendly towards international students

Very few did have as many as 15 years of experience overseas, so that was also fine. Their skills and experience can definitely be utilized, very fair, no problem

But whe I see plenty of international students that can't speak a word of English or french, doesn't have any relevant experience from overseas, land a job no problem with Centennial college's support, I personally can't help but to think that the educational system is broken

Yes some do argue that it wasn't like this before or it is because Centennial college solely relies on international students' tuition fee

You know what man, it is in fact MY FAULT for going to school as broken as Centennial college

Well I feel obligated that upcoming students think twice before they sign up for Centennial college, IF they aren't an international student that is
I can't believe I wasted 3 years with their bs
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Our industry tends to really pay apprentices garbage though. It was the mentality that you should be grateful that we are teaching you something and therefore very low pay. Meanwhile I had friends in other trades that were bumping up the pay scale each year by significant amounts. It does suck to make $20-25 an hour and barely be able to pay rent for the 2 and a half years until you can get licensed.

If you are reading this thread to look for actual information though, currently there are a lot of apprentice positions listed on Indeed all across Canada and the reality is that you will have to work for low wages for a couple years until you get licensed. MRO's are always hiring apprentices because people tend to leave for better paying and easier jobs in line maintenance once they get licensed but they are a good place to get your log book filled out and get experience. Getting M2 experience generally gives you better earning potential later, though I'm sure there are M1 guys in corporate that make good money, just less of those opportunities around. Helicopters are also a good option if you want to just make money, while the fixed wing tends to give you more chances to work in large cities and have flight benefits. Most people don't switch later though so if you want to do helicopters then look to apprentice on them as companies don't want to 'train' a licensed guy whose never touched them. If you want to get into corporate then try to apprentice at an MRO who does overhaul on those types so you get some experience on those types. If you just want to go to AC, Westjet, or Porter than you don't need much more than an M2 these days so any experience should do.

There are lots of big MROs who are constantly hiring, and even if you don't see a currently posting it doesn't hurt to inquire. Places like AAR in YQG , KFC in YLW, Jazz heavy in YHZ, PAL in YWG, De Havilland in YYC, Cascade in YXX, Skyservice in YUL. Smaller places have less turnover so just have to look on Indeed or other places to find the smaller general aviation shops posting apprentice positions. They can be a great experience as well versus a big shop where you have to make sure you don't get stuck doing a repetitive jobs with no learning or log book signoffs and small towns are often much cheaper to live in. If you are going to make low wages as an apprentice at least make sure you will get what you are there for, an education and your license in the minimum amount of time.
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i just want a job so bad
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I just want a job so bad
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Inland Air has a job ad up right now for an m1 engineer with a starting salary of 100k/year with 1 month paid holiday, dental, medical...

yet, Still haven't received a single application

how much is enough?
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DonutHole wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 8:27 am Inland Air has a job ad up right now for an m1 engineer with a starting salary of 100k/year with 1 month paid holiday, dental, medical...

yet, Still haven't received a single application

how much is enough?
Well obviously not 100k/year?

100k is what AMEs can make in the prairies close to/in a city.

Is Prince Rupert a more or less desirable location than a prairie city? I've never been there, but it seems fairly remote.
I believe most AMEs in Vancouver won't turn a wrench (or at least switch jobs) for less than 140k. But that's an expensive city. Is a cheaper remote location more or less desirable?
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