Commuting

[Hysteria]

How, if at all, has the commuting policy changed for, let’s say, junior Alberta folks commuting to YVR or YYZ?

Do you have to be in base for reserve, or can the commuter be on reserve away from base? Do you guys now have longer than short call rsv?

Does a commuter have to pay ex: 50$ standby passes to get to base?

[Canadianpilot2024]

Commuting is $40-$50 from Alberta

AC flights mostly sold out but can usually snag the jump

They have open time which is assigned 48 hours prior (similar to long call) but if nothing gets assigned you are expected to be available for short call

They are “working” on free jump, no timeline in that

If on reserve and jr recommend getting a good crash pad/apartment for the first while

Lots of guys park RVs at the AC parking lot as well (wish I was kidding)

[khedrei]

Commuting is $40-$50 from Alberta

AC flights mostly sold out but can usually snag the jump

They have open time which is assigned 48 hours prior (similar to long call) but if nothing gets assigned you are expected to be available for short call

They are “working” on free jump, no timeline in that

If on reserve and jr recommend getting a good crash pad/apartment for the first while

Lots of guys park RVs at the AC parking lot as well (wish I was kidding)

That's what we call a world class airline, with a world class contract.

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

3rd World Class!

At least the union reps did well at 90 hrs x instant captain pay

[BillytheKid]

Air Canada pilots live in the parking lot in RVs?

[Lt. Daniel Kaffee]

That's what we call a world class airline, with a world class contract.

yep just like all those highly paid american pilots and FAs who live in their RVs at LAX, DFW, SFO, MIA, ORD, JFK, etc etc....

like many of your generation, you don't know what you are talking about....you are an idiot...if you hate AC so much go find a better job....

https://www.npr.org/2009/07/24/10697000 ... arking-lot

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/opin ... rking.html

[Canadaflyer46]

That's what we call a world class airline, with a world class contract.

yep just like all those highly paid american pilots and FAs who live in their RVs at LAX, DFW, SFO, MIA, ORD, JFK, etc etc....

like many of your generation, you don't know what you are talking about....you are an idiot...if you hate AC so much go find a better job....

https://www.npr.org/2009/07/24/10697000 ... arking-lot

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/opin ... rking.html

Posting 15 year/8 year old articles to back-up your absurd claim that AC pilot pay is comparable to modern US airline pilot pay…

[Blueontop]

That's what we call a world class airline, with a world class contract.

yep just like all those highly paid american pilots and FAs who live in their RVs at LAX, DFW, SFO, MIA, ORD, JFK, etc etc....

like many of your generation, you don't know what you are talking about....you are an idiot...if you hate AC so much go find a better job....

https://www.npr.org/2009/07/24/10697000 ... arking-lot

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/opin ... rking.html

Posting 15 year/8 year old articles to back-up your absurd claim that AC pilot pay is comparable to modern US airline pilot pay…

He was hoping no one would notice that tiny, “insignificant” detail…

[khedrei]

Wait... who's the idiot?

I'm curious to what generation you are kaffee.

It's funny, as soon as I saw the picture with the decorating style, I went to look for the date.

[altiplano]

I see of Lt. Dan's articles, the newest is 2016.

It was after 2016 that the US pilot groups clawed back their bankruptcy era losses.

AC pilots had a reopener in 2017 but most had their heads up their asses with the ACPA incumbents and didn't have any urgency in possibly achieving at least a little gain when the US airlines made leaps.

"We can't do anytime about the 2% they would say."

We did open up LOU74 and Scope though which, like the 2%, were on the list of things that we couldn't arbitrate under the framework MOA... talk to ACPA though and we couldn't do anything about the 2%.

Unfortunately, the typical AC Pilot is poorly informed, apathetic, doesn't understand or follow the contract, and they get what they get...

We saw some spark and change with P4C, but that has certainly stalled out as they become the incumbents and now turn to protect themselves and their positions and can be predicted by management. We probably need another turn over in about 1/2 the status reps and the executive if we're going to expect better in '27.

[CaliforniaDreamin]

I see of Lt. Dan's articles, the newest is 2016.

It was after 2016 that the US pilot groups clawed back their bankruptcy era losses.

AC pilots had a reopener in 2017 but most had their heads up their asses with the ACPA incumbents and didn't have any urgency in possibly achieving at least a little gain when the US airlines made leaps.

"We can't do anytime about the 2% they would say."

We did open up LOU74 and Scope though which, like the 2%, were on the list of things that we couldn't arbitrate under the framework MOA... talk to ACPA though and we couldn't do anything about the 2%.

Unfortunately, the typical AC Pilot is poorly informed, apathetic, doesn't understand or follow the contract, and they get what they get...

We saw some spark and change with P4C, but that has certainly stalled out as they become the incumbents and now turn to protect themselves and their positions and can be predicted by management. We probably need another turn over in about 1/2 the status reps and the executive if we're going to expect better in '27.

Well this post is spot on

Throw in superior reserve rules & commuting policies and voila...the campers disappear.

Has everyone seen the campsite growing by 26R in YVR?

Everytime I land there I can't believe how big it is becoming. Just waiting for some burning drums for the full Mad Max effect. Hoping for that on my next YVR pairing.

[khedrei]

I see of Lt. Dan's articles, the newest is 2016.

It was after 2016 that the US pilot groups clawed back their bankruptcy era losses.

AC pilots had a reopener in 2017 but most had their heads up their asses with the ACPA incumbents and didn't have any urgency in possibly achieving at least a little gain when the US airlines made leaps.

"We can't do anytime about the 2% they would say."

We did open up LOU74 and Scope though which, like the 2%, were on the list of things that we couldn't arbitrate under the framework MOA... talk to ACPA though and we couldn't do anything about the 2%.

Unfortunately, the typical AC Pilot is poorly informed, apathetic, doesn't understand or follow the contract, and they get what they get...

We saw some spark and change with P4C, but that has certainly stalled out as they become the incumbents and now turn to protect themselves and their positions and can be predicted by management. We probably need another turn over in about 1/2 the status reps and the executive if we're going to expect better in '27.

Well this post is spot on

Throw in superior reserve rules & commuting policies and voila...the campers disappear.

Has everyone seen the campsite growing by 26R in YVR?

Everytime I land there I can't believe how big it is becoming. Just waiting for some burning drums for the full Mad Max effect. Hoping for that on my next YVR pairing.

Could have ended with something bigger burning had last weeks incident turned out a bit different.

[Hysteria]

Commuting is $40-$50 from Alberta

AC flights mostly sold out but can usually snag the jump

They have open time which is assigned 48 hours prior (similar to long call) but if nothing gets assigned you are expected to be available for short call

They are “working” on free jump, no timeline in that

If on reserve and jr recommend getting a good crash pad/apartment for the first while

Lots of guys park RVs at the AC parking lot as well (wish I was kidding)

Understood. Thank you. Also, I often hear that junior NB CA is undesirable. Is this sentiment intensified if commuting is thrown in top of that? Is NB CA mostly undesirable because of little days off?

[Canadianpilot2024]

The thing with NB captain is it might take a while to get a decent schedule. Like 6-10 years with the company.

Guys 20 years in at ac are still working 16 days a month on a block on the NB’s.

Things will most likely change when more WB’s come in, but regardless you’ll be working 16 days on a NB for the most part.

Almost half of AC’s fleet is WB, the guys on the WB’s seem to enjoy the job more. Something to consider when coming over.

[30westpirate]

The thing with NB captain is it might take a while to get a decent schedule. Like 6-10 years with the company.

Guys 20 years in at ac are still working 16 days a month on a block on the NB’s.

Things will most likely change when more WB’s come in, but regardless you’ll be working 16 days on a NB for the most part.

Almost half of AC’s fleet is WB, the guys on the WB’s seem to enjoy the job more. Something to consider when coming over.

Some say it’s a different airline on the WB side. Rarely waiting on a gate, met by maintenance on arrival, rarely doing a walk-around, or awaiting on ramp-crew, more experienced senior back-end crew (that can be good or bad thing), spacious bunks on the 777.

If you’re a junior NB captain, count on being on reserve for several years. NB reserve way more likely to get schedule changes, extensions, and short call-outs compared to WB reserve.

[Jean-Pierre]

Some say it’s a different airline on the WB side. Rarely waiting on a gate, met by maintenance on arrival, rarely doing a walk-around, or awaiting on ramp-crew, more experienced senior back-end crew (that can be good or bad thing),

None of these are true, except for the old ladies.

[30westpirate]

Some say it’s a different airline on the WB side. Rarely waiting on a gate, met by maintenance on arrival, rarely doing a walk-around, or awaiting on ramp-crew, more experienced senior back-end crew (that can be good or bad thing),

None of these are true, except for the old ladies.

Really!!! Not sure what you’re based on. In YYZ being on the WB it’s what I’ve seen.

[jpilot77]

The thing with NB captain is it might take a while to get a decent schedule. Like 6-10 years with the company.

Guys 20 years in at ac are still working 16 days a month on a block on the NB’s.

Things will most likely change when more WB’s come in, but regardless you’ll be working 16 days on a NB for the most part.

Almost half of AC’s fleet is WB, the guys on the WB’s seem to enjoy the job more. Something to consider when coming over.

Some say it’s a different airline on the WB side. Rarely waiting on a gate, met by maintenance on arrival, rarely doing a walk-around, or awaiting on ramp-crew, more experienced senior back-end crew (that can be good or bad thing), spacious bunks on the 777.

If you’re a junior NB captain, count on being on reserve for several years. NB reserve way more likely to get schedule changes, extensions, and short call-outs compared to WB reserve.

100%

[Airbusses]

Several years on reserve? False

[30westpirate]

Several years on reserve? False

You’re telling me the last guy on the narrow body captain list won’t be on reserve for sometime?

With course rights gone just watch the position being filled up become more and more senior. And people parachuting on top.

[Airbusses]

I'm saying it won't be several years, at least not yet. You're right in that'll be the case eventually.

[MD11]

What's the best fleet as a commuter to be on? Unwilling to move to one of the major 3 cities due to high cost of living and no family support. Is it better to be able to drive to YUL within 2.5 hrs or fly to YYZ as a commuter?

[rudder]

What's the best fleet as a commuter to be on? Unwilling to move to one of the major 3 cities due to high cost of living and no family support. Is it better to be able to drive to YUL within 2.5 hrs or fly to YYZ as a commuter?

Honest opinion - driving is almost always better than flying. At least you are in control.

Your issue will be making a 2 hour callout. Less likely on WB than NB. New reserve rules might help.

[jpilot77]

What's the best fleet as a commuter to be on? Unwilling to move to one of the major 3 cities due to high cost of living and no family support. Is it better to be able to drive to YUL within 2.5 hrs or fly to YYZ as a commuter?

2.5 hour drive wouldn’t be fun for a single day pairing. Driving to work is definitely preferable to flying. I live 1.5 hours away from a base. That’s probably as far as you’d want to be on reserve. Once you have a block and get 3-4 pairings 2.5 hours is doable.

[Man_in_the_sky]

3rd World Class!

At least the union reps did well at 90 hrs x instant captain pay

Did you talk with your rep? How many nights they spent sitting in a conference room talking to a wall( company ). I absolutly have no issue with them being paid 90 hours.

Did you present yourself for election? Did you attend every meeting, every picket? Because they did