NavCanada's stupid satelite ADSB mandate

[goingnowherefast]

This is what happens when you have very weak representation/ lobby groups in Canada. We get nothing in return. wx, pireps, notams for free in the US system are very helpful and increase safety exponentially.

COPA needs more members. Strength in numbers, and all that. It's not just for private weekend flyers. The last part stands for "Pilots Association", and that includes professional pilots.

[ragbagflyer]

To be clear, there is no mention in the CARs that requires you to install a Diversity system. It simply states that you need to meet the "performance standard" of 551.103. You can demonstrate this by completing a PAPPR request after a qualifying flight. If you pass, you pass, carry on and don't look back.

An avionics shop I work with suggested trying the following work around. Put your regular sole ADSB transponder antenna on the roof. There's enough aircraft flying around without antennas on the belly (flying boats), that it's already been proven that roof mounted antennas work quite well for transponders. They manage to work with ground stations due to the low angle from the roof antenna to the ground station until you're right on top of it, and by the time you are on top of it, close proximity works in your favour.

[BGH]

Too late for me - just updated our 185 & put in a Garmin 345 with diversity.
Mapping the antennas so it wouldn’t interfere with anything else took a bit of thought though,hasn’t even flown yet since the Garmin updates.

Daryl

[dodgeram2500]

I agree with the OP. The added features of the ground based system (mostly realtime wx) are nice. I also wish it were mandatory now...I've had my share of close calls while inspecting pipelines. I wonder if Canada will force US general aviation aircraft to have the space based system to enter the country or if there will be a work around....Lots of tourism/business dollars will be affected!

[goingnowherefast]

So far no signs of a work around for the small US aircraft entering Canada. A lot of the big stuff (biz jets) will already have diversity antennas for the oceanic requirements. NavCanada pretends to care, but they don't. They'll kick out US GA and not even acknowledge the loss of tourism and the harm to Canadian businesses serving the tourism and GA industries.

[boeingboy]

I agree with the OP. The added features of the ground based system (mostly realtime wx) are nice. I also wish it were mandatory now...I've had my share of close calls while inspecting pipelines. I wonder if Canada will force US general aviation aircraft to have the space based system to enter the country or if there will be a work around....Lots of tourism/business dollars will be affected!

...and here is the problem. ADSB is not real-time weather.....it is up to an hour old (for METAR - and up to 20 min or more for displayed). (XM weather is the same). I've read too many instances of pilots getting in trouble because they think it's real time and using it like a poor mans wx radar only to end up flying into something they can't deal with....or those thinking ADSB will show everything out there - until they have a mid air, or near miss because they are watching a screen instead of outside. ADSB can be a useful tool - but you need to recognize it's limitations. You might as well just get XM if you want weather that bad.

Space based diversity is the global standard...which is why they are doing that.

[goingnowherefast]

Space based is the gold standard for traffic ADS-B out. It's incapable of data in. Our neighbour and a large source of our GA traffic does ground based ADS-B with in and out. Canada and NavCanada has no plan on how to integrate their system with ours.

Unfortunately for us, the US customers will happily fly somewhere else and spend their tourist dollars there, instead of in Canada.

[digits_]

And the silly thing is, give Elon a few more years and we'll all be streaming HD Netflix in the plane via satellites while space based ADSB is counting bits and bytes trying not to get oversaturated.

[CaptDukeNukem]

And the silly thing is, give Elon a few more years and we'll all be streaming HD Netflix in the plane via satellites while space based ADSB is counting bits and bytes trying not to get oversaturated.

Already streaming HD Netflix on board. #porterwifi