Would you vote for Canada to become part of the US

[khedrei]

This country has gone no where but downhill in the last 10 years. The decline has been much steeper in the last 5.

PP might try and fix things but the mess is so huge that the measures will have to be so drastic and in 4 years people will argue that the don't like his cuts and that they didn't fix what he promised.

People don't realize it's takes 100 times longer to build something than it does to destroy it.

[CpnCrunch]

Another multiple stabbing incident in DT Vancouver today. My wife is there right now. Probably someone out on bail.

Nothing to see here in Trudeaus Canada, says Bob and co. Its probably racist to even mention crime to the left -- somehow.

Been to SF recently?

[CpnCrunch]

https://www.investopedia.com/how-much-d ... st-4774184

as I said my extended benefits was 380/month.

I know, but I was posting averages. It depends on age, and which plan you choose.

[rookiepilot]

Another multiple stabbing incident in DT Vancouver today. My wife is there right now. Probably someone out on bail.

Nothing to see here in Trudeaus Canada, says Bob and co. Its probably racist to even mention crime to the left -- somehow.

Been to SF recently?

Its not a comparison discussion.

Its out of hand I want it fixed.

[‘Bob’]

It’s literally a comparison discussion, lol.

[rookiepilot]

Bobs Liberals are more worried about police brutality in their use of force in stopping the stabbings, and the possibility of racism of everyone asking for more details about the suspect.

[pelmet]

Bobs Liberals are more worried about police brutality in their use of force in stopping the stabbings, and the possibility of racism of everyone asking for more details about the suspect.

It is amazing how much destruction some are willing to accept in order to be able to benefit financially from some sort of perceived policy benefit provided by that party in power.

[helicopterray]

@#$! NO!!

If I wanted to be an American, I would apply to move there. But I'm not, and never will.

[rookiepilot]

BTW, did you all see the video of Singh climbing into his Maserati?

You think he gives a crap about you working people? Or anyone?

[redlaser]

The USA is a shithole country with rat infested cities like Detroit and Baltimore, crumbling infrastructure, lots of stupid young people and illegals, poor or non existent medical services, a crazy bureaucracy type of government led by a stupid old president to be replaced by Trump a pathological liar and birdbrain, must I say more,

[Inverted2]

BTW, did you all see the video of Singh climbing into his Maserati?

You think he gives a crap about you working people? Or anyone?

Jaggie is only sticking around to qualify for his pension.

[Inverted2]

The USA is a shithole country with rat infested cities like Detroit and Baltimore, crumbling infrastructure, lots of stupid young people and illegals, poor or non existent medical services, a crazy bureaucracy type of government led by a stupid old president to be replaced by Trump a pathological liar and birdbrain, must I say more,

Yes the Democrat controlled cities you mentioned are shitholes I agree. There is also a lot of wonderful rural areas not affected by urban decay/diversity/illegal immigration etc.

[redlaser]

I've been all over the USA as a pilot, it's a dump, drugs and homeless people everywhere, crime infested cities, people don't go out at night but lock themselves in their apartments at night, rats everywhere in the city, and garbage everywhere. The city of Detona beach now charges you a fee to go on their beach on the Atlantic ocean.

[mmm...bacon]

Another multiple stabbing incident in DT Vancouver today. My wife is there right now. Probably someone out on bail.

Nothing to see here in Trudeaus Canada, says Bob and co. Its probably racist to even mention crime to the left -- somehow.

Two *Kindergarten* kids in critical condition following yet another school shooting in the USA today.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/04/us/cal ... dex.html

I think I’ll take my chances on the streets in Canada - and help those chances by avoiding homeless encampments downtown.

Further, I’ve yet to see a plan for surviving a mass shooting event on the ‘Health and Safety’ notice board at any of my Canadian employers, yet they were prominently posted on the boards of the (several) government offices I visited in the US this summer. Imagine going to work every day with a nagging thought that one of your coworkers might come in guns a’ blazing’ one morning cos they had a bad day yesterday…

Hard pass from me, too..

[rookiepilot]

Another multiple stabbing incident in DT Vancouver today. My wife is there right now. Probably someone out on bail.

Nothing to see here in Trudeaus Canada, says Bob and co. Its probably racist to even mention crime to the left -- somehow.

Two *Kindergarten* kids in critical condition following yet another school shooting in the USA today.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/04/us/cal ... dex.html

I think I’ll take my chances on the streets in Canada - and help those chances by avoiding homeless encampments downtown.

The Vancouver stabbings —- 2 in short order, multiple victims each time — were in tourist areas near the library, actually. No where near homeless encampments.

Besides — Vancouver doesn’t compare itself as a “world class city “ (snort ) to Baltimore or Detroit.

It’s supposed to be like Singapore, Zurich, or Hong Kong. Do random multiple stabbings happen in those places?

There are a ton of cities I’d walk anywhere at night before parts of Vancouver now.

[MaxAuto]

No go out and vote. If Canada became the United States, most Canadians would vote Democrat because by Americans standard our conservative party is liberal compared to the conservatives in the United States.

I'll take the low crime in Canada vs the thousands of murders a year in each of the many big cities in the US.

[Inverted2]

They’re probably laughing at us south of the border. Justin just banned a whole bunch more of our guns today. Our military has fewer planes than most National Guard bases. They could just walk in.

[tsgarp]

The choice is to be at the mercy of Washington or continue with the status quo and be at the mercy of Quebec’s back room politicians.

[pelmet]

I've been all over the USA as a pilot, it's a dump, drugs and homeless people everywhere, crime infested cities, people don't go out at night but lock themselves in their apartments at night, rats everywhere in the city, and garbage everywhere.

That's funny, I have seen all kinds of glittery areas and safe neighbourhoods. Until you get to the same old certain areas with the same old certain explanation that is the same worldwide.

Check the news about a certain Canadian city about rats. Hint: it is not in Alberta.

[Old fella]

What a load of useless drivel, class one utter nonsense. Canada is no more going to become the 51st state in the next four years than California, British Columbia, and Oregon are going to break away and become Cascadia.

2025 is shaping up to be the best year yet on this site for the entertainment value. Keep’er going, tis priceless.

[SpyPilot]

If it wasn't for redlaser, Reinhard and PDW giving me my daily requirement of laugh-out-loud lunacy I would have abandoned this nuthouse of a so-called aviation forum long ago.

[Mach1]

Just a little extra thought into all those tax numbers.

I find it is a problem in Canada that when one talks about taxes that they only think of income taxes. There are also; sales taxes; property taxes; carbon taxes; gas taxes; payroll taxes; CPP; EI; (depending on which province you live in) taxes on selling and/or buying your house; taxes that are placed on top of other taxes for compounding purposes; taxes I probably haven't mentioned; and finally, user fees for services that used to be paid for by your taxes.

All in all, I'd say close to 70% of everyone's wages wind up in the possession of all three levels of government in this country in one form or another. So, when discussing taxation, please remember it is a much larger reach into your pocket than just income taxes.

While it's never going to happen and Trump just loves getting attention... and drawing attention away from his policies or lack thereof... Let's look at some pro's and con's.

Pro:
40,000,000 Canadians could move south to warmer climates.
Cheaper houses.
Cheaper cars.
Cheaper most things.
Larger access to investment capital in an environment that encourages innovation and risks rather than discouraging innovation and risks.
Actual protection from your government should you require help while traveling or living abroad.
Better wages for pilots.
More job opportunities.
A definite increase in personal freedoms.

Con:
Larger income disparity.
American environmental rules.
Higher healthcare costs to the individual.
Worse schools... unless you can afford the private schools.
US gun culture and it's connected crime culture as well.
US prison system.
Loss of the social safety net we have all grown up with.
US labour laws.

I'm sure people will add and subtract from the list as they see it.

[digits_]

Pro:
40,000,000 Canadians could move south to warmer climates.
Cheaper houses.
Cheaper cars.
Cheaper most things.
Larger access to investment capital in an environment that encourages innovation and risks rather than discouraging innovation and risks.
Actual protection from your government should you require help while traveling or living abroad.
Better wages for pilots.
More job opportunities.
A definite increase in personal freedoms.

A lot of those pros are only applicable if you assume that every Canadian will just make US dollars the day after the merger. That won't happen. Why would it? So you'll have the end result where we will still make our Canadian wages, likely still quite heavily provincially taxed, yet won't have the safety nets we're used to.

But let's say that it does happen, and overnight we're making USD money. Lots of those pros are still only temporary. I remember documentaries about pilots living in trailer parks in poverty, less than 15 years ago. It's a bit weird and actually quite disappointing that some people would want to throw away their Canadian identity and lifestyle to make a bit more money for a few years.

The last one is a bit puzzling though: What personal freedom are you missing in Canada that you think you'd enjoy in the US?

[Mach1]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion about what is, and what is not a pro or con, as this is a personal thing. I disagree with your assessment and find your logic flawed. So neither of us will be convincing the other our point is correct. My view is correct for me, and your view is correct for you.

The last one is a bit puzzling though: What personal freedom are you missing in Canada that you think you'd enjoy in the US?

I've never seen the US seize people's bank accounts for supporting a protest.
The Liberals pushing forward laws to have you punished if you use the wrong/non-sanctioned words in public or on the internet... in other words, thought crimes.
The great internet wall of Canada wherein a bureaucracy (the CRTC) gets to decide what web pages you can and cannot see. Even allowing that same entity to decide what you can and cannot post on your own social media feeds. While that power has not been used... YET... it is there for the use of this or future governments.
Freedom of speech protected by the constitution.
The government deciding who is, and who is not a journalist.

Just a few examples.

[CpnCrunch]

It’s supposed to be like Singapore, Zurich, or Hong Kong. Do random multiple stabbings happen in those places?

There are a ton of cities I’d walk anywhere at night before parts of Vancouver now.

Let's see. Google "zurich random stabbings", and this is the first result:

Oct 1 2024, NY Times: "3 Children Injured, One Seriously, in Zurich Stabbing Attack".

Vancouver has a lower homicide rate than any major US city, and also much lower than Winnipeg.