Air Canada Pilot Incentive Bonus

[FelixGustof]

The Postal Workers have been on strike now for 23 days

It is 2 weeks before Christmas. The busiest and most important part of the year for mail.

And yet some Air Canada pilots thought they couldn't strike including the union?

[Aerkavo]

The Postal Workers have been on strike now for 23 days

It is 2 weeks before Christmas. The busiest and most important part of the year for mail.

And yet some Air Canada pilots thought they couldn't strike including the union?

When the postal workers voted for, and actually did, strike many of them probably thought they had the ultimate hammer - "we'll go on strike just before Christmas and they'll have to give us what we demand". How's that working out for them?

Not only will they not get their demands but they'll have lost at least a month's pay. Businesses and customers will move even more of their shipping away from the post office to couriers and electronic options. I think they massively overplayed their hand. When the strike eventually gets resolved Canada Post will be a much smaller entity with a much smaller workforce - a huge loss for the workers.

When was the last time you needed, or used, the post office to send or receive something? For me it's been years. Comparing AC with it's 45% domestic share against the post office which mainly delivers junk mail is just silly.

A strike by the pilots would have had a massive effect on the economy which means there would have been huge motivation for government intervention. This is not the case with the postal workers as nobody even cares.

[JHR]

What an uneducated post

[Flyer98]

The Postal Workers have been on strike now for 23 days

It is 2 weeks before Christmas. The busiest and most important part of the year for mail.

And yet some Air Canada pilots thought they couldn't strike including the union?

When the postal workers voted for, and actually did, strike many of them probably thought they had the ultimate hammer - "we'll go on strike just before Christmas and they'll have to give us what we demand". How's that working out for them?

Not only will they not get their demands but they'll have lost at least a month's pay. Businesses and customers will move even more of their shipping away from the post office to couriers and electronic options. I think they massively overplayed their hand. When the strike eventually gets resolved Canada Post will be a much smaller entity with a much smaller workforce - a huge loss for the workers.

When was the last time you needed, or used, the post office to send or receive something? For me it's been years. Comparing AC with it's 45% domestic share against the post office which mainly delivers junk mail is just silly.

A strike by the pilots would have had a massive effect on the economy which means there would have been huge motivation for government intervention. This is not the case with the postal workers as nobody even cares.

The difference being postal workers (and LCBO workers) are unskilled workers not requiring advanced licences, certifications, or years of experience. AC pilot had much more power than both of these groups who elected to follow through on their threat of strike.

Would the government have intervened? Even though they stated they would not? Maybe. But not taking that risk = guaranteed sub par contract.

[Aerkavo]

What an uneducated post

Enlighten me. If you can string two coherent sentences together.

[JHR]

What an uneducated post

Enlighten me. If you can string two coherent sentences together.

I can't

[cdnavater]

What an uneducated post

I sure hope you’re talking about FelixGustov, in that case I agree!
They(fed) have literally interfered with every other big corporation bargaining and forced arbitration with a few, to think they would not have with AC is naive! My guess is the chance of arbitration was very high, obviously the labour lawyers who do this kind of thing for a living thought so!
The Post is a crown corporation, therefore it’s the government who is saving money while they are out and it would be the very definition of putting their foot on the scale if they were to force arbitration and I believe they are sending a message!
The postal workers are bargaining against the crown, can you not see how that would look if they did interfere with forced arbitration! When the entity you are bargaining against can force you back to work, what is the point of having a union!
Felix, you’re young and have not seen enough in the world to form opinions on matters that adults deal with, perhaps you should follow the adage,
“It’s better to be thought an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm it”
At the end of the day, they will get the 7 days a week they are after, this seem to be the biggest sticking point, as for the rest who knows.

Me personally, I didn’t really realize how inefficient they were until they went on strike, I’m rural with a PO Box, and when I order on Prime, it takes a week, I switched my Prime delivery to the physical address and holy smokes, I have things on my door step 2 days later, even had a few next day things. I had seen the prime delivery van out in the area before but didn’t give it much thought, this is who they are competing with, guess what, I won’t be using the post for much going forward, I simply don’t need them. Like Aerkavo said, they will be much smaller when this is settled.

[Aerkavo]

The difference being postal workers (and LCBO workers) are unskilled workers not requiring advanced licences, certifications, or years of experience. AC pilot had much more power than both of these groups who elected to follow through on their threat of strike.

Would the government have intervened? Even though they stated they would not? Maybe. But not taking that risk = guaranteed sub par contract.

This is the point I was making. Saying, "Look the postal workers didn't face government intervention so the pilots could have gone on strike and they also wouldn't have faced intervention" is ridiculous. Two completely different situations. Does anyone see the spokesman for the Canadian Federation of Business holding news conferences begging for intervention in the postal strike? No, because the effect of the postal strike is minimal. However when there was a threat of a pilot strike the newscasts were filled with different interest groups predicting a massive impact and calling for intervention. A much better comparison for what would have happened would be to look at the rail strike.

Maybe the AC pilots could have gone on strike with no intervention or maybe the government would have gotten involved but trying to use the postal strike as some sort of indicator as to which is pointless.

I'll point out again that I voted NO. I did this but fully expected to be forced back to work under some BS government intervention. I also expected the resolution arbitration/mediation - whatever, would result in less than the TA. The upside for me was to wipe the smug look off the company's face and plant the seed of uncertainty (regarding the will of the pilots to actually strike) for the next time.

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

Awekavo,

Do you just talk out your ass?

https://globalnews.ca/news/10897226/can ... pact-cfib/

The ongoing Canada Post strike is having a significant impact on Canadian businesses during the busy holiday shopping season, costing firms at least $76.6 million per day, according to the Canadian Federation of Independent Business.

If the strike continues, it will have cost the sector more than $1 billion by Wednesday, the group warned.

“It’s not Grinch who is about to steal Christmas,” Corinne Pohlmann, executive vice-president of advocacy at CFIB, said in a statement.

“It’s Ottawa sitting idly on the sidelines while small businesses are losing crucial revenue and sales due to circumstances outside of their control.”

CFIB wants the federal government to either impose binding arbitration or introduce back-to-work legislation.

[FelixGustof]

No, because the effect of the postal strike is minimal

$1 billion is "minimal"

[Chateau]

$76 million a day is about what the Air Canada pilot strike was predicted to cost.

But...they are different. They were getting forced back to work.

Air Canada pilots...coming up with complete bullshit for shit results for literally decades.

[cdnavater]

Awekavo,

Do you just talk out your ass?

https://globalnews.ca/news/10897226/can ... pact-cfib/

The ongoing Canada Post strike is having a significant impact on Canadian businesses during the busy holiday shopping season, costing firms at least $76.6 million per day, according to the Canadian Federation of Independent Business.

If the strike continues, it will have cost the sector more than $1 billion by Wednesday, the group warned.

“It’s not Grinch who is about to steal Christmas,” Corinne Pohlmann, executive vice-president of advocacy at CFIB, said in a statement.

“It’s Ottawa sitting idly on the sidelines while small businesses are losing crucial revenue and sales due to circumstances outside of their control.”

CFIB wants the federal government to either impose binding arbitration or introduce back-to-work legislation.

I would take those numbers with a grain of salt, a lot of those businesses are using other shipping sources so business more or less as usual!
The other thing, thousands of businesses losing 76 mil per day vs a SINGLE company losing the same amount is vastly different.
Second, did you not get the part about the crown putting their foot on the scale, one party negotiating with the other party cannot have a giant hammer to use. It’s not like a third party could step in here, I believe arbitration in this case would have to consider what they would have achieved, if they stayed on strike. Usually in the contract of essential workers and government employees!

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

Awekavo,

Do you just talk out your ass?

https://globalnews.ca/news/10897226/can ... pact-cfib/

The ongoing Canada Post strike is having a significant impact on Canadian businesses during the busy holiday shopping season, costing firms at least $76.6 million per day, according to the Canadian Federation of Independent Business.

If the strike continues, it will have cost the sector more than $1 billion by Wednesday, the group warned.

“It’s not Grinch who is about to steal Christmas,” Corinne Pohlmann, executive vice-president of advocacy at CFIB, said in a statement.

“It’s Ottawa sitting idly on the sidelines while small businesses are losing crucial revenue and sales due to circumstances outside of their control.”

CFIB wants the federal government to either impose binding arbitration or introduce back-to-work legislation.

I would take those numbers with a grain of salt, a lot of those businesses are using other shipping sources so business more or less as usual!
The other thing, thousands of businesses losing 76 mil per day vs a SINGLE company losing the same amount is vastly different.
Second, did you not get the part about the crown putting their foot on the scale, one party negotiating with the other party cannot have a giant hammer to use. It’s not like a third party could step in here, I believe arbitration in this case would have to consider what they would have achieved, if they stayed on strike. Usually in the contract of essential workers and government employees!

Air Canada was claiming economic damage of roughly the same. You sound like aerkvado making more shit up

Are you the same person?

[eurotrash]

The other thing, thousands of businesses losing 76 mil per day vs a SINGLE company losing the same amount is vastly different.

They were saying here $98 million.

"Vastly different" than $76 million

Sounds like more shit made up to me

https://www.desjardins.com/qc/en/saving ... -2024.html

[cdnavater]

Awekavo,

Do you just talk out your ass?

https://globalnews.ca/news/10897226/can ... pact-cfib/

The ongoing Canada Post strike is having a significant impact on Canadian businesses during the busy holiday shopping season, costing firms at least $76.6 million per day, according to the Canadian Federation of Independent Business.

If the strike continues, it will have cost the sector more than $1 billion by Wednesday, the group warned.

“It’s not Grinch who is about to steal Christmas,” Corinne Pohlmann, executive vice-president of advocacy at CFIB, said in a statement.

“It’s Ottawa sitting idly on the sidelines while small businesses are losing crucial revenue and sales due to circumstances outside of their control.”

CFIB wants the federal government to either impose binding arbitration or introduce back-to-work legislation.

I would take those numbers with a grain of salt, a lot of those businesses are using other shipping sources so business more or less as usual!
The other thing, thousands of businesses losing 76 mil per day vs a SINGLE company losing the same amount is vastly different.
Second, did you not get the part about the crown putting their foot on the scale, one party negotiating with the other party cannot have a giant hammer to use. It’s not like a third party could step in here, I believe arbitration in this case would have to consider what they would have achieved, if they stayed on strike. Usually in the contract of essential workers and government employees!

Air Canada was claiming economic damage of roughly the same. You sound like aerkvado making more shit up

Are you the same person?

You can’t see the difference between 76 million divided by “thousands of businesses” versus ONE(1)(Singular)(Uno)(Eine)(une)(Wahid)(the loneliest number) business losing the same amount. I’ll give you a hint, AC losing 76 million per day is worse than, 76 million spread out by or divided by 97,000 businesses.
They extrapolated their “76,000,000(76 million) from 3800(three thousand eight hundred) respondents to their survey, hence my comment of taking those numbers with a grain of salt!
And AGAIN I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH, the crown corporation cannot use the big fucken sledge hammer they have in their tool box because they are one of the bargaining party’s!
It’s one thing for private corporations to assume they can get back to work legislation and not bargain fairly, it’s a whole different situation when one of the bargaining party, has that tool at its disposal!
It has become apparent that without Canada post, there is not enough capacity to keep things moving normally, very much like if AC or WJ or one or the other between CN or CPKC going on strike, that didn’t stop the feds from poking their fn nose in and placing their finger on the scale.
The would they won’t they question really doesn’t matter anymore, it’s time to put on your big boy pants and move forward, maybe focus on how to avoid it next time!

[Aerkavo]

Awekavo,

Do you just talk out your ass?

https://globalnews.ca/news/10897226/can ... pact-cfib/

The ongoing Canada Post strike is having a significant impact on Canadian businesses during the busy holiday shopping season, costing firms at least $76.6 million per day, according to the Canadian Federation of Independent Business.

If the strike continues, it will have cost the sector more than $1 billion by Wednesday, the group warned.

“It’s not Grinch who is about to steal Christmas,” Corinne Pohlmann, executive vice-president of advocacy at CFIB, said in a statement.

“It’s Ottawa sitting idly on the sidelines while small businesses are losing crucial revenue and sales due to circumstances outside of their control.”

CFIB wants the federal government to either impose binding arbitration or introduce back-to-work legislation.

Yes, they put out a statement. Compare to this to the mere threat of a pilot strike was the lead story on every newscast for a week. Interviews with business professors, aviation consultants, politicians. The postal strike is the last item on the news. Right after the human interest story about a puppy that got rescued after falling in a well.

One hospital not being able to get their medical isotopes trumps 100,000 grandmas not being able to send their Christmas cards. How many people have complained to their MP about the postal strike do you think?

What effect has the postal strike had on you personally? The net effect on me is zero. I probably wouldn't notice if they never came back. Don't forget the post office is a money-losing operation. Wouldn't surprise me if they're actually saving money because of the strike. Unlikely that they are begging the government to intervene. Again, compare this to AC as a publically traded company and executives that need their bonuses. Huge motivation to intervene. AC carries 120,000 passengers per day. Those people would complain loudly and publically. I bet you could count the complaints about the postal strike on one hand.

[Freshredmeat]

I would take those numbers with a grain of salt, a lot of those businesses are using other shipping sources so business more or less as usual!
The other thing, thousands of businesses losing 76 mil per day vs a SINGLE company losing the same amount is vastly different.
Second, did you not get the part about the crown putting their foot on the scale, one party negotiating with the other party cannot have a giant hammer to use. It’s not like a third party could step in here, I believe arbitration in this case would have to consider what they would have achieved, if they stayed on strike. Usually in the contract of essential workers and government employees!

Air Canada was claiming economic damage of roughly the same. You sound like aerkvado making more shit up

Are you the same person?

You can’t see the difference between 76 million divided by “thousands of businesses” versus ONE(1)(Singular)(Uno)(Eine)(une)(Wahid)(the loneliest number) business losing the same amount. I’ll give you a hint, AC losing 76 million per day is worse than, 76 million spread out by or divided by 97,000 businesses.
They extrapolated their “76,000,000(76 million) from 3800(three thousand eight hundred) respondents to their survey, hence my comment of taking those numbers with a grain of salt!
And AGAIN I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH, the crown corporation cannot use the big fucken sledge hammer they have in their tool box because they are one of the bargaining party’s!
It’s one thing for private corporations to assume they can get back to work legislation and not bargain fairly, it’s a whole different situation when one of the bargaining party, has that tool at its disposal!
It has become apparent that without Canada post, there is not enough capacity to keep things moving normally, very much like if AC or WJ or one or the other between CN or CPKC going on strike, that didn’t stop the feds from poking their fn nose in and placing their finger on the scale.
The would they won’t they question really doesn’t matter anymore, it’s time to put on your big boy pants and move forward, maybe focus on how to avoid it next time!

If you're an Air Canada pilot, you should just be happy you're there because if your grade 7 level English composition ability is a reflection of your education, you definitely exceeded anyone's expectations.

[cjp]

Awekavo,

Do you just talk out your ass?

https://globalnews.ca/news/10897226/can ... pact-cfib/

The ongoing Canada Post strike is having a significant impact on Canadian businesses during the busy holiday shopping season, costing firms at least $76.6 million per day, according to the Canadian Federation of Independent Business.

If the strike continues, it will have cost the sector more than $1 billion by Wednesday, the group warned.

“It’s not Grinch who is about to steal Christmas,” Corinne Pohlmann, executive vice-president of advocacy at CFIB, said in a statement.

“It’s Ottawa sitting idly on the sidelines while small businesses are losing crucial revenue and sales due to circumstances outside of their control.”

CFIB wants the federal government to either impose binding arbitration or introduce back-to-work legislation.

Yes, they put out a statement. Compare to this to the mere threat of a pilot strike was the lead story on every newscast for a week. Interviews with business professors, aviation consultants, politicians. The postal strike is the last item on the news. Right after the human interest story about a puppy that got rescued after falling in a well.

One hospital not being able to get their medical isotopes trumps 100,000 grandmas not being able to send their Christmas cards. How many people have complained to their MP about the postal strike do you think?

What effect has the postal strike had on you personally? The net effect on me is zero. I probably wouldn't notice if they never came back. Don't forget the post office is a money-losing operation. Wouldn't surprise me if they're actually saving money because of the strike. Unlikely that they are begging the government to intervene. Again, compare this to AC as a publically traded company and executives that need their bonuses. Huge motivation to intervene. AC carries 120,000 passengers per day. Those people would complain loudly and publically. I bet you could count the complaints about the postal strike on one hand.

Significantly. Waiting for replacement credit card due to previously compromised card - damn scammers. New internet modem is enroute and jammed with non Canada post carrier due to holiday overload/strike while internet company is continuously pushing back install date and unable to assist. No Christmas cards. No christmas letters from Santa for the kiddos. Not sure if any online orders will arrive before Christmas....its having an effect.

Similar if the Air Canada pilots had've gone on strike and I was traveling. I'd have to book an alternate carrier, perhaps go out of my way to get to my destination if there were no similar direct flights. You get the picture.

Frequent minor inconveniences but I know my local mail carriers and they are doing what they need to do - and I support them. I should write to my MP though, good point.

[cjp]

Air Canada was claiming economic damage of roughly the same. You sound like aerkvado making more shit up

Are you the same person?

You can’t see the difference between 76 million divided by “thousands of businesses” versus ONE(1)(Singular)(Uno)(Eine)(une)(Wahid)(the loneliest number) business losing the same amount. I’ll give you a hint, AC losing 76 million per day is worse than, 76 million spread out by or divided by 97,000 businesses.
They extrapolated their “76,000,000(76 million) from 3800(three thousand eight hundred) respondents to their survey, hence my comment of taking those numbers with a grain of salt!
And AGAIN I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH, the crown corporation cannot use the big fucken sledge hammer they have in their tool box because they are one of the bargaining party’s!
It’s one thing for private corporations to assume they can get back to work legislation and not bargain fairly, it’s a whole different situation when one of the bargaining party, has that tool at its disposal!
It has become apparent that without Canada post, there is not enough capacity to keep things moving normally, very much like if AC or WJ or one or the other between CN or CPKC going on strike, that didn’t stop the feds from poking their fn nose in and placing their finger on the scale.
The would they won’t they question really doesn’t matter anymore, it’s time to put on your big boy pants and move forward, maybe focus on how to avoid it next time!

If you're an Air Canada pilot, you should just be happy you're there because if your grade 7 level English composition ability is a reflection of your education, you definitely exceeded anyone's expectations.

Jazz.

[cdnavater]

Air Canada was claiming economic damage of roughly the same. You sound like aerkvado making more shit up

Are you the same person?

You can’t see the difference between 76 million divided by “thousands of businesses” versus ONE(1)(Singular)(Uno)(Eine)(une)(Wahid)(the loneliest number) business losing the same amount. I’ll give you a hint, AC losing 76 million per day is worse than, 76 million spread out by or divided by 97,000 businesses.
They extrapolated their “76,000,000(76 million) from 3800(three thousand eight hundred) respondents to their survey, hence my comment of taking those numbers with a grain of salt!
And AGAIN I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH, the crown corporation cannot use the big fucken sledge hammer they have in their tool box because they are one of the bargaining party’s!
It’s one thing for private corporations to assume they can get back to work legislation and not bargain fairly, it’s a whole different situation when one of the bargaining party, has that tool at its disposal!
It has become apparent that without Canada post, there is not enough capacity to keep things moving normally, very much like if AC or WJ or one or the other between CN or CPKC going on strike, that didn’t stop the feds from poking their fn nose in and placing their finger on the scale.
The would they, won’t they question really doesn’t matter anymore, it’s time to put on your big boy pants and move forward, maybe focus on how to avoid it next time!

If you're an Air Canada pilot, you should just be happy you're there because if your grade 7 level English composition ability is a reflection of your education, you definitely exceeded anyone's expectations.

What the fack are you going on about? I had to spell it out for the big smart AC whiner, so I intentionally made it so a five year old could understand it. Apparently I didn’t dumb it down enough for you though!
By the way or btw for the 20 something that you come across as, grade and level are the same fuckn thing, idiot! When you said grade 7, level became redundant!

[JHR]

[porcsord]

Lol what a sopping wet pretentious D bag. We all get it, your so well endowed bro.

Such a classy response from someone with a high IQ.. lol.

Firstly I never proclaimed to be high IQ. Secondly, why are you defending this guy?? The only time he had to chime in to a conversation was to insult? If he can dish it why can't he take it?

Insult? Is not working for Air Canada an insult? Isn't that the whole point of this thread? I'm so confused.

Also, no need to defend my well endowedness or my sopping wetness. I assure you, I also do not work for AC and am completely comfortable with that, my endowedness and my own "sopping wet pretentious D bagness"

[CaptDukeNukem]

Air Canada was claiming economic damage of roughly the same. You sound like aerkvado making more shit up

Are you the same person?

You can’t see the difference between 76 million divided by “thousands of businesses” versus ONE(1)(Singular)(Uno)(Eine)(une)(Wahid)(the loneliest number) business losing the same amount. I’ll give you a hint, AC losing 76 million per day is worse than, 76 million spread out by or divided by 97,000 businesses.
They extrapolated their “76,000,000(76 million) from 3800(three thousand eight hundred) respondents to their survey, hence my comment of taking those numbers with a grain of salt!
And AGAIN I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH, the crown corporation cannot use the big fucken sledge hammer they have in their tool box because they are one of the bargaining party’s!
It’s one thing for private corporations to assume they can get back to work legislation and not bargain fairly, it’s a whole different situation when one of the bargaining party, has that tool at its disposal!
It has become apparent that without Canada post, there is not enough capacity to keep things moving normally, very much like if AC or WJ or one or the other between CN or CPKC going on strike, that didn’t stop the feds from poking their fn nose in and placing their finger on the scale.
The would they won’t they question really doesn’t matter anymore, it’s time to put on your big boy pants and move forward, maybe focus on how to avoid it next time!

If you're an Air Canada pilot, you should just be happy you're there because if your grade 7 level English composition ability is a reflection of your education, you definitely exceeded anyone's expectations.

He’s not. He’s green circled at jazz. Makes more money than all of us.

[Aerkavo]

[quote=CaptDukeNukem post_id=1327276

He’s not. He’s green circled at jazz. Makes more money than all of us.
[/quote]

Well, not all of us.

[cdnavater]

You can’t see the difference between 76 million divided by “thousands of businesses” versus ONE(1)(Singular)(Uno)(Eine)(une)(Wahid)(the loneliest number) business losing the same amount. I’ll give you a hint, AC losing 76 million per day is worse than, 76 million spread out by or divided by 97,000 businesses.
They extrapolated their “76,000,000(76 million) from 3800(three thousand eight hundred) respondents to their survey, hence my comment of taking those numbers with a grain of salt!
And AGAIN I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH, the crown corporation cannot use the big fucken sledge hammer they have in their tool box because they are one of the bargaining party’s!
It’s one thing for private corporations to assume they can get back to work legislation and not bargain fairly, it’s a whole different situation when one of the bargaining party, has that tool at its disposal!
It has become apparent that without Canada post, there is not enough capacity to keep things moving normally, very much like if AC or WJ or one or the other between CN or CPKC going on strike, that didn’t stop the feds from poking their fn nose in and placing their finger on the scale.
The would they won’t they question really doesn’t matter anymore, it’s time to put on your big boy pants and move forward, maybe focus on how to avoid it next time!

If you're an Air Canada pilot, you should just be happy you're there because if your grade 7 level English composition ability is a reflection of your education, you definitely exceeded anyone's expectations.

He’s not. He’s green circled at jazz. Makes more money than all of us.

I don’t think I’ve ever said that, could’ve I suppose.
I’m certainly not making more than most Porter captains, I don’t remember your pay scale though.