Are New E2 FOs Screwed?

[8895]

It’s also possible that AT becomes the flag carrier of Canada. Or that AC pilots vote for separate bargaining units for mainline and rouge lol stop talking tough bud. You were proven wrong. Stop fear mongering with misinformation and go back to your 4 leg min credit days until retirement already.

I think he recognized he was mistaken. No need to jump down his throat

This guy posts on here all the time and talks down to anyone who doesn’t feed into his boomer privilege. Seems like he has some screws loose so hopefully he’s close to retirement

[cdnavater]

It’s also possible that AT becomes the flag carrier of Canada. Or that AC pilots vote for separate bargaining units for mainline and rouge lol stop talking tough bud. You were proven wrong. Stop fear mongering with misinformation and go back to your 4 leg min credit days until retirement already.

I think he recognized he was mistaken. No need to jump down his throat

This guy posts on here all the time and talks down to anyone who doesn’t feed into his boomer privilege. Seems like he has some screws loose so hopefully he’s close to retirement

So, what? You think you’re the one who can put me in my place! Isn’t that fu ckn hilarious, you sound like a kid when you post, tough guy! You also come across as an uneducated buffoon, should probably get out more, maybe read a book once in awhile, until then I mostly just laugh at you!

[CaptDukeNukem]

I think he recognized he was mistaken. No need to jump down his throat

This guy posts on here all the time and talks down to anyone who doesn’t feed into his boomer privilege. Seems like he has some screws loose so hopefully he’s close to retirement

So, what? You think you’re the one who can put me in my place! Isn’t that fu ckn hilarious, you sound like a kid when you post, tough guy! You also come across as an uneducated buffoon, should probably get out more, maybe read a book once in awhile, until then I mostly just laugh at you!

I’ll defer any comments until the 23rd of December.

[PropDog]

This guy posts on here all the time and talks down to anyone who doesn’t feed into his boomer privilege. Seems like he has some screws loose so hopefully he’s close to retirement

So, what? You think you’re the one who can put me in my place! Isn’t that fu ckn hilarious, you sound like a kid when you post, tough guy! You also come across as an uneducated buffoon, should probably get out more, maybe read a book once in awhile, until then I mostly just laugh at you!

I’ll defer any comments until the 23rd of December.

Trying to stay off Santa’s naughty list Duke?

[CaptDukeNukem]

So, what? You think you’re the one who can put me in my place! Isn’t that fu ckn hilarious, you sound like a kid when you post, tough guy! You also come across as an uneducated buffoon, should probably get out more, maybe read a book once in awhile, until then I mostly just laugh at you!

I’ll defer any comments until the 23rd of December.

Trying to stay off Santa’s naughty list Duke?

lol. I’ve been disappointed before.

[cjp]

I’ll defer any comments until the 23rd of December.

Trying to stay off Santa’s naughty list Duke?

lol. I’ve been disappointed before.

APU MELs in your stocking?

[cdnavater]

This guy posts on here all the time and talks down to anyone who doesn’t feed into his boomer privilege. Seems like he has some screws loose so hopefully he’s close to retirement

So, what? You think you’re the one who can put me in my place! Isn’t that fu ckn hilarious, you sound like a kid when you post, tough guy! You also come across as an uneducated buffoon, should probably get out more, maybe read a book once in awhile, until then I mostly just laugh at you!

I’ll defer any comments until the 23rd of December.

That wasn’t directed at you Duke, unless 8895 is an alter ego of yours!

I had already conceded I was wrong and he just kept coming, so it is what it is!

Are you peeps expecting an early Christmas present via the benchmark(Dec 23)? Hoping it’s a big one for you, honestly and sincerely hope most of you get a nice big raise!
I’m hearing some juicy rumours in our house about what the CIRB outcome could look like for us, Jazz FO will start out at around 80k or higher and Captains topping over 200 but not sure about the bottom, extrapolation puts it around 120 year 1 but until I see the actual settlement I would count on it!
It would be great if they had a DEC start at year 3 or 4 or something, I would love to train someone who experienced pilots for a change!
Merry Christmas!

[CaptDukeNukem]

So, what? You think you’re the one who can put me in my place! Isn’t that fu ckn hilarious, you sound like a kid when you post, tough guy! You also come across as an uneducated buffoon, should probably get out more, maybe read a book once in awhile, until then I mostly just laugh at you!

I’ll defer any comments until the 23rd of December.

That wasn’t directed at you Duke, unless 8895 is an alter ego of yours!

I had already conceded I was wrong and he just kept coming, so it is what it is!

Are you peeps expecting an early Christmas present via the benchmark(Dec 23)? Hoping it’s a big one for you, honestly and sincerely hope most of you get a nice big raise!
I’m hearing some juicy rumours in our house about what the CIRB outcome could look like for us, Jazz FO will start out at around 80k or higher and Captains topping over 200 but not sure about the bottom, extrapolation puts it around 120 year 1 but until I see the actual settlement I would count on it!
It would be great if they had a DEC start at year 3 or 4 or something, I would love to train someone who experienced pilots for a change!
Merry Christmas!

Tomorrow is the big day yes. So we’re told.

Hopefully there CIRB ruling works out for the pilots at jazz.

Merry Christmas
we can resume our bickering in the new year lol.

[runway29]

Duke and cdnav are like my nan and pop, i swear. Up to you to pick who's who

[windshields]

It doesn’t matter, they are separate companies with separate OCs and will have separate bargaining units

This is blatant misinformation. Stop fear mongering and go back to blaming sky regional for why you’re an old bitter jazz pilot.

Are they not separate companies with a separate AOC?

you know that PAL and Air Borealis share the same union right despite being separate companies with separate AOCs.

[cdnavater]

This is blatant misinformation. Stop fear mongering and go back to blaming sky regional for why you’re an old bitter jazz pilot.

Are they not separate companies with a separate AOC?

you know that PAL and Air Borealis share the same union right despite being separate companies with separate AOCs.

You know, if I fu ckn knew that, I wouldn’t have said what I said and for fu ck sakes I already conceded with AC/Rouge!
I know, reading is hard but try it, go back a few posts and see what’s transpired already before posting stupid shit!

[Me262]

So, what? You think you’re the one who can put me in my place! Isn’t that fu ckn hilarious, you sound like a kid when you post, tough guy! You also come across as an uneducated buffoon, should probably get out more, maybe read a book once in awhile, until then I mostly just laugh at you!

I’ll defer any comments until the 23rd of December.

Jazz FO will start out at around 80k or higher and Captains topping over 200 but not sure about the bottom, extrapolation puts it around 120 year 1 but until I see the actual settlement I would count on it!

Effective when?

[cdnavater]

I’ll defer any comments until the 23rd of December.

Jazz FO will start out at around 80k or higher and Captains topping over 200 but not sure about the bottom, extrapolation puts it around 120 year 1 but until I see the actual settlement I would count on it!

Effective when?

According to reality or rumours?
Rumour was December but all parties have until February when they are going back to the arbitrator, hopefully they have something done before that.

[Me262]

Jazz FO will start out at around 80k or higher and Captains topping over 200 but not sure about the bottom, extrapolation puts it around 120 year 1 but until I see the actual settlement I would count on it!

Effective when?

According to reality or rumours?
Rumour was December but all parties have until February when they are going back to the arbitrator, hopefully they have something done before that.

So September again if anything passes, got it

[goingnowherefast]

I’ll defer any comments until the 23rd of December.

How big was the raise? Were they able to match what ALPA did at Air Canada?

[cdnavater]

I’ll defer any comments until the 23rd of December.

How big was the raise? Were they able to match what ALPA did at Air Canada?

I’m going to guess that they either haven’t heard or it wasn’t great, otherwise it would have been posted already

[braaap Braap]

Nothing yet

[cdnavater]

Nothing yet

Were you told you would receive the new benchmark on the 23rd or some vague language that it is expected to be released today?

[flyinhigh]

Were you told you would receive the new benchmark on the 23rd or some vague language that it is expected to be released today?

We were told via an FOAG newsletter that it was going to be early December which came and went. Than the company said around the holidays, so the FOAG said last week it would be the 23rd.

So now every pilot is sitting watching all the open time emails come in en masse expecting the new benchmark. Quite frankly, it's a joke how it is being handled, reminds me of the old bush days of "If you stick around than we will give you the upgrade".

The constant, good things coming, to were looking at this, etc is being played very poorly and shows they are just trying to hold off ALPA.

[braaap Braap]

Nothing yet

Were you told you would receive the new benchmark on the 23rd or some vague language that it is expected to be released today?

“…confirmed the release date for Monday December 23rd.”

[Grey_Wolf]

Emails went out at 19:25, most are reading through it right now.

Precursory reading points to an underwhelming exercise.

New changes will be in effect Mar 2025.

[Speedbrakes]

Emails went out at 19:25, most are reading through it right now.

Precursory reading points to an underwhelming exercise.

New changes will be in effect Mar 2025.

Pay retroactive to Jan 1, 2025.

Scope clause. Merger clause.

[CaptDukeNukem]

I wouldn’t call it a win. I’m underwhelmed tbh. Good improvements for people on RSV and REA rules. Otherwise meh…..

MMG goes up to 77.5.

I guess this is where I tuck my tail between the legs.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Emails went out at 19:25, most are reading through it right now.

Precursory reading points to an underwhelming exercise.

New changes will be in effect Mar 2025.

Pay retroactive to Jan 1, 2025.

Scope clause. Merger clause.

Sounds like it won’t be retroactive for pay purposes. It’ll just start in Jan 1st, 2025

[Speedbrakes]

Emails went out at 19:25, most are reading through it right now.

Precursory reading points to an underwhelming exercise.

New changes will be in effect Mar 2025.

Pay retroactive to Jan 1, 2025.

Scope clause. Merger clause.

Sounds like it won’t be retroactive for pay purposes. It’ll just start in Jan 1st, 2025

"Regardless of the work rule package the pilot team chooses, the compensation elements are the same and the new compensation package will take effect and will be retractive to January 1st, 2025"

Sounds to me like the new pay won't take effect until the voting is complete and the package is implemented but will then be retroed to Jan 1.

But here's hoping you're right.