Are Air Canada pilots the only pilots to not get a premium to work on holiday?

[FNGYYZ]

Being the noob I am, I'm going to be working like a sucker for no extra pay tomorrow and have to ask...are we the only fools in the industry working holidays for nothing extra?

Jazz, WestJet, assume United, Delta all get paid extra...I mean even the FAs do...

[ZBBYLW]

But we do get C1s.

[Me262]

You can always book off

[braaap Braap]

Porter doesn't. Extra day of vacation in lieu.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Do those companies also give stats days off ? We’re having an extra 11/12 days yearly to use as vacation.

So if you work christmas, or not, you get an extra vacation day since we’re still operating on all stat day.

[cjp]

Porter doesn't. Extra day of vacation in lieu.

The first dozen Captains on the E2 got Christmas off officially for next year out of 200+ pilots. They also bid the entire summer.

[TheStig]

There are pilots with decades at the airline working Christmas and every holiday because they chose to bid to the bottom of the list. Something to remember when you're bidding up to higher paying positions. Seniority = Quality of life. You can spend your entire career away on Christmas morning or miss one or two.

I've always felt both the company and pilots would be better off paying overtime for stat holidays than extra vacation days in lieu, some greedy senior pilots would probably bid to work them and more junior pilots would be able to hold them off and less reserve coverage would be needed. However, given that vacation credit is so low, the company likely saves a fortune given the low demand for pilots in October, November, February and April when that 'extra' vacation tends to be awarded.

I've been told that historically the book off rate at Christmas is actually lower than other holidays such as May long, Canada Day or Labour Day.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Just bid reserve. You won't get called.

[FNGYYZ]

Just bid reserve. You won't get called.

But isn't Air Canada like the only airline on the planet with just short call reserve?

[Dronepiper]

What premium do westjet pilots get? Do tell

[737Drver]

What premium do westjet pilots get? Do tell

For one thing WJ vacation credit is 4.5 hrs vs whatever garbage AC gets in 2033

[Man_in_the_sky]

Just bid reserve. You won't get called.

But isn't Air Canada like the only airline on the planet with just short call reserve?

3:15
Prior to departure is the earliest they can force you. Shorter is up to us with a 2 credit cash clear premium for short call

[cdnavater]

What premium do westjet pilots get? Do tell

For one thing WJ vacation credit is 4.5 hrs vs whatever garbage AC gets in 2033

You are either intentionally misleading or not aware how it works.
WJ vacation week is 5 days @4.5 credit per=22.5 per vacation week
AC 25/26 vacation is 7 days @2:55 per=20.42 per vacation week
26/27 is 7@3:15=22.75 per week
27/28 and beyond is 7@3:45=26.25 per week
So for this 2025 vacation bid you get 2 credit less for a week of vacation, after that you are ahead by .25 and the ahead by 3.75 which equates to almost an extra day off in that month

[737Drver]

What premium do westjet pilots get? Do tell

For one thing WJ vacation credit is 4.5 hrs vs whatever garbage AC gets in 2033

You are either intentionally misleading or not aware how it works.
WJ vacation week is 5 days @4.5 credit per=22.5 per vacation week
AC 25/26 vacation is 7 days @2:55 per=20.42 per vacation week
26/27 is 7@3:15=22.75 per week
27/28 and beyond is 7@3:45=26.25 per week
So for this 2025 vacation bid you get 2 credit less for a week of vacation, after that you are ahead by .25 and the ahead by 3.75 which equates to almost an extra day off in that month

You are either intentionally misleading or not aware how it works

AC:

Years 1 to 5: 2 whopping weeks of vacation
5 to 10: 3 weeks
10 to 25: 4 weeks

WJ:

Years 1 to 3: 2 weeks (so 2 years LESS ie BETTER)
4 to 6: 3 weeks (1 year LESS ie BETTER)
Onwards: 4 weeks (3 years less ie BETTER)

So I guess after a DECADE you have a point

And point is the daily credit of 4.5 hrs for a stat in lieu is BETTER

[cdnavater]

For one thing WJ vacation credit is 4.5 hrs vs whatever garbage AC gets in 2033

You are either intentionally misleading or not aware how it works.
WJ vacation week is 5 days @4.5 credit per=22.5 per vacation week
AC 25/26 vacation is 7 days @2:55 per=20.42 per vacation week
26/27 is 7@3:15=22.75 per week
27/28 and beyond is 7@3:45=26.25 per week
So for this 2025 vacation bid you get 2 credit less for a week of vacation, after that you are ahead by .25 and the ahead by 3.75 which equates to almost an extra day off in that month

You are either intentionally misleading or not aware how it works

AC:

Years 1 to 5: 2 whopping weeks of vacation
5 to 10: 3 weeks
10 to 25: 4 weeks

WJ:

Years 1 to 3: 2 weeks (so 2 years LESS ie BETTER)
4 to 6: 3 weeks (1 year LESS ie BETTER)
Onwards: 4 weeks (3 years less ie BETTER)

So I guess after a DECADE you have a point

And point is the daily credit of 4.5 hrs for a stat in lieu is BETTER

Ok, in that sense, WJ is ahead in the weeks department but my point is and you started out saying WJ gets 4.5 credit per day with no context added!
My response to that was 4.5 x 5 is less than 3.75 x 7
Your initial post did not mention that they get more weeks per year, so perhaps when they survey for the next round of negotiations you should mention you want more vacation weeks sooner.
As for your STAT days, are you saying that a STAT day is given at 3.25 credit per? That is definitely lacking if this is the case, a STAT day is a day off in lieu so it should equal at the very least min credit. I see you vacation and STAT in the last contract was based on calendar days but that is misleading since a calendar day does not get enough credit to offset a full day at min credit.
Not sure how they are getting away with that, come to think of it I’m getting short changed at Jazz for STATs. We bid them as vacation and our 11 STAT days are bid as 20(5)and 24 credit(6).
Either way, for 2028, not 2033 you will get 26.25 credit per week of vacation which offsets around a third of the months block best in Canada at that point, it also says in the last contract year 1-5 14 calendar days, 5-14 years 21 calendar days, 15-24 28, 25+35 days plus your your STATS in addition to the aforementioned.

[Me262]

Do those companies also give stats days off ? We’re having an extra 11/12 days yearly to use as vacation.

So if you work christmas, or not, you get an extra vacation day since we’re still operating on all stat day.

Yes. 11 stat day and 1.5x if working on 24/26th, 2x on 25th

[737Drver]

Just bid reserve. You won't get called.

But isn't Air Canada like the only airline on the planet with just short call reserve?

3:15
Prior to departure is the earliest they can force you. Shorter is up to us with a 2 credit cash clear premium for short call

So 3:15 is considered good? Because that's some hot garbage.

Enjoy speeding for those 2 hrs of pay. I guess it pays for the speeding / traffic violations

[PostmasterGeneral]

Just bid reserve. You won't get called.

But isn't Air Canada like the only airline on the planet with just short call reserve?

Most everything is pre-assigned days in a advance. If they short call you, just book off.

[sstaurus]

WJ also has GDOs on a block which makes a huge difference. So even in a vacation month, you still have 12 guaranteed days off in addition. Not so at AC where there is a formula (that I'll never memorize) that reduces your days worked instead.

[Me262]

Just bid reserve. You won't get called.

But isn't Air Canada like the only airline on the planet with just short call reserve?

Most everything is pre-assigned days in a advance. If they short call you, just book off.

Don't you get into trouble booking off exactly when you are getting called 3.5hrs right before departure (or 1hr after because you just "found" your sickness)?

[sstaurus]

But isn't Air Canada like the only airline on the planet with just short call reserve?

Most everything is pre-assigned days in a advance. If they short call you, just book off.

Don't you get into trouble booking off exactly when you are getting called 3.5hrs right before departure (or 1hr after because you just "found" your sickness)?

Surprisingly, AC doesn't seem to care. Makes no difference if you book off sick ahead of time on Res, or wait till last minute. Just how the system works. That being said, it's a dumb waste of sick days to be doing this regularly for the reasons discussed...

[noreasterYHZ]

For one thing WJ vacation credit is 4.5 hrs vs whatever garbage AC gets in 2033

You are either intentionally misleading or not aware how it works.
WJ vacation week is 5 days @4.5 credit per=22.5 per vacation week
AC 25/26 vacation is 7 days @2:55 per=20.42 per vacation week
26/27 is 7@3:15=22.75 per week
27/28 and beyond is 7@3:45=26.25 per week
So for this 2025 vacation bid you get 2 credit less for a week of vacation, after that you are ahead by .25 and the ahead by 3.75 which equates to almost an extra day off in that month

You are either intentionally misleading or not aware how it works

AC:

Years 1 to 5: 2 whopping weeks of vacation
5 to 10: 3 weeks
10 to 25: 4 weeks

WJ:

Years 1 to 3: 2 weeks (so 2 years LESS ie BETTER)
4 to 6: 3 weeks (1 year LESS ie BETTER)
Onwards: 4 weeks (3 years less ie BETTER)

So I guess after a DECADE you have a point

And point is the daily credit of 4.5 hrs for a stat in lieu is BETTER

I hope everyone re reads this.

WJ has better vacation for over 60% of the pilots even with the "huge" vacation win just based on the fact you are at AN EXTRA WEEK OF VACATION.

But I thought WestJet wasn't even a comparable for Air Canada pilots??

Just embarrassing

[airway]

I've always felt both the company and pilots would be better off paying overtime for stat holidays than extra vacation days in lieu, some greedy senior pilots would probably bid to work them and more junior pilots would be able to hold them off and less reserve coverage would be needed.

Well, at my company, on my roster, this is not happening, even though anyone who works on Christmas day gets double time (normally stats are regular time and OT is time and a half) and everyone gets 11 extra days of vacation in lue of stats whether you work them or not.

There is 1 pilot in the top half of my roster of about 50, that is working on Christmas day and there are lots of older guys in the top half.




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[Flyboy736]

You are either intentionally misleading or not aware how it works.
WJ vacation week is 5 days @4.5 credit per=22.5 per vacation week
AC 25/26 vacation is 7 days @2:55 per=20.42 per vacation week
26/27 is 7@3:15=22.75 per week
27/28 and beyond is 7@3:45=26.25 per week
So for this 2025 vacation bid you get 2 credit less for a week of vacation, after that you are ahead by .25 and the ahead by 3.75 which equates to almost an extra day off in that month

You are either intentionally misleading or not aware how it works

AC:

Years 1 to 5: 2 whopping weeks of vacation
5 to 10: 3 weeks
10 to 25: 4 weeks

WJ:

Years 1 to 3: 2 weeks (so 2 years LESS ie BETTER)
4 to 6: 3 weeks (1 year LESS ie BETTER)
Onwards: 4 weeks (3 years less ie BETTER)

So I guess after a DECADE you have a point

And point is the daily credit of 4.5 hrs for a stat in lieu is BETTER

I hope everyone re reads this.

WJ has better vacation for over 60% of the pilots even with the "huge" vacation win just based on the fact you are at AN EXTRA WEEK OF VACATION.

But I thought WestJet wasn't even a comparable for Air Canada pilots??

Just embarrassing

Where are you getting the 60% number from? Most people will be in the top year, pilots are not spread equally amount all the years