Did Air Canada pilots really take concessions in this negotiating climate?

[thepoors]

Wow FNGYYZ you really hit the trifecta of AC boomer angst

1. "You're talking bad about AC, must've been pfo'd" - because no one who actually works at AC would say anything bad about it, they just eat the shit served up by the company like a good boy

2. "You don't like AC's contract, go work somewhere else" - because pointing out how weak this contract is and advocating for improvement is crazy talk, plus what other option do you have

3. "You're posting anonymously on an anonymous forum" - just like everyone else posting here....

Real big brain stuff here from these winners. Maybe they should post their names and employee numbers since they're so concerned.

[Bede]

I’d bet my next paycheque that whoever you’re comparing to isn’t coming out of a horribly outdated contract. 41% is a useless stat in that comparison.

You're exactly correct. You were coming out of a horribly outdated contract. This is why you got a 41% pay raise compared to 25% at WJ or, let's say ~11% for nurses, postal workers, etc.

[Blueontop]

I’d bet my next paycheque that whoever you’re comparing to isn’t coming out of a horribly outdated contract. 41% is a useless stat in that comparison.

You're exactly correct. You were coming out of a horribly outdated contract. This is why you got a 41% pay raise compared to 25% at WJ or, let's say ~11% for nurses, postal workers, etc.

And that makes it ok or acceptable Bede? I believe the working men and women of the country, the backbone of it, have been getting shafted for decades. I believe the nurses and postal workers, etc.. need to get much higher raises, wages and working conditions but we aren’t in those positions and can only strive for the best in this industry. That comment reeks of crab in the bucket mentality. I will advocate for Canadian pilots and support any frontline worker in their fight for a better life while the 1% of this country continues to live high on the hog and laugh at us as we bicker with each other over the scraps they throw at us. This be grateful for what we got only furthers this decline in wages and living standards.

[Airbusses]

Man people read into posts way too much! I don't think that's what Bede was saying at all! I don't know him, but I'm pretty sure he'd agree that everyone needs big uplifts.

[Bede]

And that makes it ok or acceptable Bede? I believe the working men and women of the country, the backbone of it, have been getting shafted for decades. I believe the nurses and postal workers, etc.. need to get much higher raises, wages and working conditions but we aren’t in those positions and can only strive for the best in this industry. That comment reeks of crab in the bucket mentality. I will advocate for Canadian pilots and support any frontline worker in their fight for a better life while the 1% of this country continues to live high on the hog and laugh at us as we bicker with each other over the scraps they throw at us. This be grateful for what we got only furthers this decline in wages and living standards.

I of course agree with you, hence why I'm a trade unionist and have volunteered. I don't come on this forum to either complain or say the AC CA is great. But, we sometimes lose sight of the process and make short term decisions at the expense of thinking long term. We often forget that for every "hold the line" pilot, there's a hedge fund manager on the other side of the table that will dig their heels in to prevent any increase in cost. After all, we all make #300k and work 12 days/mo /s.

Sometimes, the answer is push hard. Sometimes the answer is out smart them. And unfortunately, sometimes, there is simply no amount of anything that will get you what you want, as the postal employees found out.

[FNGYYZ]

Wow FNGYYZ you really hit the trifecta of AC boomer angst

1. "You're talking bad about AC, must've been pfo'd" - because no one who actually works at AC would say anything bad about it, they just eat the shit served up by the company like a good boy

2. "You don't like AC's contract, go work somewhere else" - because pointing out how weak this contract is and advocating for improvement is crazy talk, plus what other option do you have

3. "You're posting anonymously on an anonymous forum" - just like everyone else posting here....

Real big brain stuff here from these winners. Maybe they should post their names and employee numbers since they're so concerned.

Ain't that the truth brother!

Like anyone who criticizes having the worst reserve on earth somehow got PFO'd from the same airline that has guys jerking off on trains or sucking dick through holes in sheets or praising death to Jews in uniform.

Some people need to get off their high horse and give their head a shake. Hot damn!

[737Drver]

Air Canada pilots sound insecure if they need to assume every pilot who is critical somehow got PFO'd

[thepoors]

Air Canada pilots sound insecure if they need to assume every pilot who is critical somehow got PFO'd

To be fair this is pretty common over on the Transat page as well. Canadian aviation is full of fragile egos.

[Aerkavo]

Air Canada pilots sound insecure if they need to assume every pilot who is critical somehow got PFO'd

To be fair this is pretty common over on the Transat page as well. Canadian aviation is full of fragile egos.

It's not completely unheard of. It's human nature that if you've been rejected from a company that you would be negative on them afterwards. I know of several guys who got rejected from a company and then just couldn't let it go - they'd take every opportunity to bash it or cut it down. Sour grapes. Of course, not everyone is like this - some get over it or can resist but to think that someone who repeatedly and, somewhat irrationally, slags a single company might have a grudge is not a sign of having a fragile ego.

[khedrei]

Wow FNGYYZ you really hit the trifecta of AC boomer angst

1. "You're talking bad about AC, must've been pfo'd" - because no one who actually works at AC would say anything bad about it, they just eat the shit served up by the company like a good boy

2. "You don't like AC's contract, go work somewhere else" - because pointing out how weak this contract is and advocating for improvement is crazy talk, plus what other option do you have

3. "You're posting anonymously on an anonymous forum" - just like everyone else posting here....

Real big brain stuff here from these winners. Maybe they should post their names and employee numbers since they're so concerned.

Ain't that the truth brother!

Like anyone who criticizes having the worst reserve on earth somehow got PFO'd from the same airline that has guys jerking off on trains or sucking dick through holes in sheets or praising death to Jews in uniform.

Some people need to get off their high horse and give their head a shake. Hot damn!

Just to confirm... are you saying AC pilots were praising death to Jews in uniform?

I didn't hear about this. I'll do a google

[cdnavater]

Wow FNGYYZ you really hit the trifecta of AC boomer angst

1. "You're talking bad about AC, must've been pfo'd" - because no one who actually works at AC would say anything bad about it, they just eat the shit served up by the company like a good boy

2. "You don't like AC's contract, go work somewhere else" - because pointing out how weak this contract is and advocating for improvement is crazy talk, plus what other option do you have

3. "You're posting anonymously on an anonymous forum" - just like everyone else posting here....

Real big brain stuff here from these winners. Maybe they should post their names and employee numbers since they're so concerned.

Ain't that the truth brother!

Like anyone who criticizes having the worst reserve on earth somehow got PFO'd from the same airline that has guys jerking off on trains or sucking dick through holes in sheets or praising death to Jews in uniform.

Some people need to get off their high horse and give their head a shake. Hot damn!

Just to confirm... are you saying AC pilots were praising death to Jews in uniform?

I didn't hear about this. I'll do a google

I believe this is referring to the suspended pilot who supported Palestinian’s on social media in uniform but also on the same social media account was at rally’s chanting death to Jews or something to that effect.
No idea if he’s still employed, I think I remember him being let go, was still on probation!
This guy,

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/air-canada- ... -1.6596460

“Air Canada said it has grounded a pilot over "unacceptable" posts on social media about Israel.
The group StopAntiSemitism.org shared Instagram screenshots of a man identified as Mostafa Ezzo in pro-Palestinian colours while wearing his pilot uniform(opens in a new tab) and holding a sign at a demonstration in Montreal that referenced Hitler”

[rooster]

Ain't that the truth brother!

Like anyone who criticizes having the worst reserve on earth somehow got PFO'd from the same airline that has guys jerking off on trains or sucking dick through holes in sheets or praising death to Jews in uniform.

Some people need to get off their high horse and give their head a shake. Hot damn!

As if that behavior has anything to do with who's signing your paycheques. Weren't those pilots new hires, who came from other airlines who's pilots are now throwing shade at AC pilots? Think about that for a min. You guys are really quite childish sometimes hey?