So when is WJ axing the -10?

[ICUP]

Let’s say the -10 gets miraculously certified next year… WJ probably won’t touch their first tail until at least
2029…2030?

Does WJ really need those extra 8 rows? Just swap em to -8 before it’s too late…

[Canadaflyer46]

Agreed. They have already switched several orders to the -8. In my opinion not enough, especially while complaining they’re short on aircraft. The -10 will likely (hopefully) never see the light of day, so why not get ahead of other airlines and convert all their orders. Likely the longer it drags on the more bargaining power they have for a bigger discount when they do, inevitably, switch the orders to the -8.

[MaxAuto]

Out of the 8 additional rows, how many will be premium business class seat?

Premium business class seat along with a successful loyalty program are the revenue drivers for most airline. WestJet has many transcontinental flights and if you want to attract a certain classe of higher paying loyalty passengers, I think it's worth it especially with the legacy codeshare partners WestJet partners with.

[Canadaflyer46]

Another reason I hope the Max10 doesn’t show up is WJ will no doubt remove a lav at the back as they did with the Max8. Operators like Alaska run 3 lavs in the back, 1 in the front. WestJet only has 2 at the back. Always a long line, so now we allow economy pax to use the forward lav which detracts further from the premium product (which is already pretty bad considering the service our CC provide which has recently been downgraded further)
With the Max10 they will likely be running 2 rear lavs for 200+ economy pax. A horrendous thought.

[goingnowherefast]

Why not covert the Max10 orders into Max9 orders? Sure it's a bit shorter. If they thought they could fill a -10, the -9 is the next closest.

[rudder]

Will the -10 come with one pogo stick or two……

[daedalusx]

Another reason I hope the Max10 doesn’t show up is WJ will no doubt remove a lav at the back as they did with the Max8. Operators like Alaska run 3 lavs in the back, 1 in the front. WestJet only has 2 at the back. Always a long line, so now we allow economy pax to use the forward lav which detracts further from the premium product (which is already pretty bad considering the service our CC provide which has recently been downgraded further)
With the Max10 they will likely be running 2 rear lavs for 200+ economy pax. A horrendous thought.

I've flown J class couple of times this year on the 737 and the product is absolute dogshit compared to the AC offering. Wow wrapped cashews how original. You know its bad when the grub is inferior to a company crew meal. Last time was a real treat, 5 hours flight, only 1 service and the menu du jour was a soggy cold mystery meat tortilla wrap with an equally sad salad and a dry cold piece of bread. The depressed FA spent the first 20 min of the flight apologizing to the couple kvetching behind, nasally complaining that they were ripped off and that this wasn't "premium" anything.

How embarrassing.

[Canadaflyer46]

Another reason I hope the Max10 doesn’t show up is WJ will no doubt remove a lav at the back as they did with the Max8. Operators like Alaska run 3 lavs in the back, 1 in the front. WestJet only has 2 at the back. Always a long line, so now we allow economy pax to use the forward lav which detracts further from the premium product (which is already pretty bad considering the service our CC provide which has recently been downgraded further)
With the Max10 they will likely be running 2 rear lavs for 200+ economy pax. A horrendous thought.

I've flown J class couple of times this year on the 737 and the product is absolute dogshit compared to the AC offering. Wow wrapped cashews how original. You know its bad when the grub is inferior to a company crew meal. Last time was a real treat, 5 hours flight, only 1 service and the menu du jour was a soggy cold mystery meat tortilla wrap with an equally sad salad and a dry cold piece of bread. The depressed FA spent the first 20 min of the flight apologizing to the couple kvetching behind, nasally complaining that they were ripped off and that this wasn't "premium" anything.

How embarrassing.

It truly is embarassing. Management have recently downgraded service levels too so now only 1 service on a 4-5 hour flight plus a glass of water.
I seriously hope our next executive team stop this downward spiral in our inflight service. No one is expecting anything great from a North American leisure carrier, but WestJet is the worst of the worst now. Incredibly sad to see what they've done to our brand to shake a few more pennies out of the operation.

[Donald]

The changes to the loyalty program are equally terrible.

That combined with not being able to select exit row/front of cabin on a EconoFlex fare (without paying extra), just pushes us to AC or PD.

[daedalusx]

Its gonna get worse Donald, they're going to squeeze another row out of the 738 to bring it to 180 seats on their next cabin config to make sure that everyone not shorter than Danny Devito gets blood clots on their next 7.5 hours ETOPS flight.

At an equal fare, there's zero reason to choose WJ over AC and Porter.

Could also be an anecdotal observation but the cabin crews are clearly overworked and fatigued. It's noticeable.

Good times ahead.

[Me262]

Haven't looked at mainline but Encore now has often several hours delays.

[fish4life]

I’d imagine any airline that has Max 10 orders is probably going to wait and see what happens since delays / lack of certification give bargaining power against Boeing for compensation. That might be either discounts on 8’s or other products or parts etc. besides it’s not like when you decide to convert the order to an 8 you are at the end of the line it would just go in place of where the 10 was supposed to roll off the line.

[co-joe]

Why not covert the Max10 orders into Max9 orders? Sure it's a bit shorter. If they thought they could fill a -10, the -9 is the next closest.

I've never understood why the Max 9 hasn't sold more numbers up here. Alaska has lots of them, aside from one emergency exit problem they seem like a great airframe. Way back somebody told me WS didn't get 900's because they had issues with brake cooling times on quick turns, but I really have no idea about that.

[TheLastonetoknow]

Another reason I hope the Max10 doesn’t show up is WJ will no doubt remove a lav at the back as they did with the Max8. Operators like Alaska run 3 lavs in the back, 1 in the front. WestJet only has 2 at the back. Always a long line, so now we allow economy pax to use the forward lav which detracts further from the premium product (which is already pretty bad considering the service our CC provide which has recently been downgraded further)
With the Max10 they will likely be running 2 rear lavs for 200+ economy pax. A horrendous thought.

I've flown J class couple of times this year on the 737 and the product is absolute dogshit compared to the AC offering. Wow wrapped cashews how original. You know its bad when the grub is inferior to a company crew meal. Last time was a real treat, 5 hours flight, only 1 service and the menu du jour was a soggy cold mystery meat tortilla wrap with an equally sad salad and a dry cold piece of bread. The depressed FA spent the first 20 min of the flight apologizing to the couple kvetching behind, nasally complaining that they were ripped off and that this wasn't "premium" anything.

How embarrassing.

It truly is embarassing. Management have recently downgraded service levels too so now only 1 service on a 4-5 hour flight plus a glass of water.
I seriously hope our next executive team stop this downward spiral in our inflight service. No one is expecting anything great from a North American leisure carrier, but WestJet is the worst of the worst now. Incredibly sad to see what they've done to our brand to shake a few more pennies out of the operation.

I’ve always said the WJ brand is one of the most embarrassing uniforms to wear today…

[rookiepilot]

WJ has a business class? What, like frontier?

If you value your time, you’d be nuts to fly anyone but AC domestically, (maybe porter) and if you value a pleasant experience, fly almost anyone but a Canadian carrier overseas.

One example: Good carriers have stuck with 9 across on the 777. AC jams in another seat , makes it 10, now seats are what, 17” wide? Some planes its 16.5. Try 8 hours in a full flight that way.

AC’s business class seats are also narrower than front line foreign carriers. Cheap penny pinching.

The difference between Cathay premium economy and AC? Night and day.

Let’s not get started on AC’s bitchy old battleaxe FA’s on the overseas routes.

But WJ makes AC look good. They have that going for them.

[JBI]

WJ has a business class? What, like frontier?

If you value your time, you’d be nuts to fly anyone but AC domestically, (maybe porter) and if you value a pleasant experience, fly almost anyone but a Canadian carrier overseas.

One example: Good carriers have stuck with 9 across on the 777. AC jams in another seat , makes it 10, now seats are what, 17” wide? Some planes its 16.5. Try 8 hours in a full flight that way.

While I don’t like it, very few airlines still have 9 abreast 777 seating. Even Cathay has some (most?) of their 777s with 10 abreast now.

[rookiepilot]

WJ has a business class? What, like frontier?

If you value your time, you’d be nuts to fly anyone but AC domestically, (maybe porter) and if you value a pleasant experience, fly almost anyone but a Canadian carrier overseas.

One example: Good carriers have stuck with 9 across on the 777. AC jams in another seat , makes it 10, now seats are what, 17” wide? Some planes its 16.5. Try 8 hours in a full flight that way.

While I don’t like it, very few airlines still have 9 abreast 777 seating. Even Cathay has some (most?) of their 777s with 10 abreast now.

Here’s what I see: (I have flown both airlines to HKG, to and from YVR and YYZ, BTW, both in Business and economy over the years)

AC economy: 398 seats, 6 (small), usually dirty! within a couple of hours, bathrooms, 31” pitch, 17” wide seats.

Cathay: 268 seats, 7 (some bigger) bathrooms, impeccably clean! -, 32” pitch, 18.5” wide, nicer food, pillows and blankets in all classes. Let’s not talk about the FA’s or service.

Even in business class, AC’s bathrooms are rarely cleaned in flight. They are kept spotless in overseas long haul carriers, at least the ones I have flown.

Now I expect to hear a lecture “thats not an FA’s job, they are there to keep you safe”.

Yeah. It’s this attitude why I search other carriers 3-4 X a year for the expensive flights.

3 -4 hour domestic flight is a transit bus ride. 12-15, it all matters.

Singapore, Turkish, Egypt all similar stories, Ethiopian (soon — But I have heard good things)

Heard Qatar, ethiad are awesome too.

Similar prices. Who would you fly?

Everyone accuses me of “hating on AC”. LOL. The product SUCKS — thats all!

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air_C ... ass_v4.php

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Catha ... 00ER_C.php

[JBI]

Use a pen, Sideshow Bob

Was just commenting that the 10 abreast is unfortunately quite common across the industry, even on many ME and Asian carriers.

You’re welcome to your opinion on everything else

[rookiepilot]

Use a pen, Sideshow Bob

Was just commenting that the 10 abreast is unfortunately quite common across the industry, even on many ME and Asian carriers.

You’re welcome to your opinion on everything else

Buy Canadian and get ripped off, sell your labour out as a Canadian and get ripped off again.

[pelmet]

LH first class is nice. I have flown it on the 340-600 and the 747-8. Got a great deal on it by travelling last minute. They have an entirely separate first class terminal at FRA with check-in, security, customs, three course meal/buffet and a drive in a Mercedes on the ramp to the gate. AC business lounge....not even close to LH's regular business class lounge. Oops....off topic.