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‘Bob’ wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:45 am
khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:36 am
newlygrounded wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 10:55 am

You fell for the clickbait eh? You sound like the boomers I work with saying the average woman won't date a man making less than 300k and 6'5
What clickbait? Young people today are dumber than ever. And it's really sad.

If you don't like the video, read the article saying math and reading scores are lower than ever.

Do you really think the average young person is doing OK? Better than you did when you were young? Are you looking forward to them being in charge? These are the people that bring their parents in for a job interview... that is, if they decide to actually try to get a job.
PP never had a job.

Actually until he won his first election, neither did nepo baby Donald Trump.
Why do so many grown adults have such child-like arguments? I vote based on policy, not whether one had an acceptable job prior to becoming PM. It is almost as if they know that their policies are so bad that they desperately search for anything to provide a distraction.

Message to Bob. If you want to finally start having credibility, then simply pick some policies of "PP" that you disagree with and state clearly why you think the policies you support are better. Then you could try making an argument based on the overall policies(some of which you may be for while others you disagree with and wrap it up as an overall argument of why you feel he should not be PM). Imagine doing something like that. Perhaps on a different thread as this one is about tariffs.
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Meanwhile......another headline to discuss something that PP supported a decade or more ago which would have us much less vulnerable to tariffs. I guess one doesn't need to have had a previous 'job' in order to have common sense. Trudeau had a previous job and blocked Energy East along with Quebec.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/o ... r-AA1yxXuj

WASHINGTON — Canada's energy minister says Ottawa and the provinces should discuss the possibility of an oil pipeline to Eastern Canada to improve energy security.

Jonathan Wilkinson says it’s a “vulnerability” for Canada to export so much of its oil to the United States in the context of the Trump administration's tariff threats.

He also says the fact that Ontario and Quebec are served by Enbridge Line 5, an oil pipeline that runs through the Great Lakes states, creates “some degree of uncertainty.”
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pelmet wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:08 pm
‘Bob’ wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:45 am
khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:36 am

What clickbait? Young people today are dumber than ever. And it's really sad.

If you don't like the video, read the article saying math and reading scores are lower than ever.

Do you really think the average young person is doing OK? Better than you did when you were young? Are you looking forward to them being in charge? These are the people that bring their parents in for a job interview... that is, if they decide to actually try to get a job.
PP never had a job.

Actually until he won his first election, neither did nepo baby Donald Trump.
Why do so many grown adults have such child-like arguments? I vote based on policy, not whether one had an acceptable job prior to becoming PM. It is almost as if they know that their policies are so bad that they desperately search for anything to provide a distraction.

Message to Bob. If you want to finally start having credibility, then simply pick some policies of "PP" that you disagree with and state clearly why you think the policies you support are better. Then you could try making an argument based on the overall policies(some of which you may be for while others you disagree with and wrap it up as an overall argument of why you feel he should not be PM). Imagine doing something like that. Perhaps on a different thread as this one is about tariffs.

PP's policy is "verb the noun" and "the free market will fix it" A lot of "common sense" polices like expecting 15% housing growth year over year are designed to fail and are just meant as a way to cut transfers since impossible targets weren't met
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newlygrounded wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:44 am
khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:36 am
newlygrounded wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 10:55 am

You fell for the clickbait eh? You sound like the boomers I work with saying the average woman won't date a man making less than 300k and 6'5
What clickbait? Young people today are dumber than ever. And it's really sad.

If you don't like the video, read the article saying math and reading scores are lower than ever.

Do you really think the average young person is doing OK? Better than you did when you were young? Are you looking forward to them being in charge? These are the people that bring their parents in for a job interview... that is, if they decide to actually try to get a job.
Your original post said the average 16 year old was dumber than YOU, I haven't seen any of your report cards yet.
I think they're doing pretty well considering how much the world has failed them. I keep hearing at work, all the kids are lazy!

What is there worth working towards? You'd need a household income over close to $250,000 to buy an average house, there is nowhere in the country where the old rule of rent/mortgage will be 30% of your income, car insurance is several hundreds a month, the best years of their lives (ex university) were taken away and they lost out on in person socializing for university and are graduating in a post covid job market.

The few life preserves they were thrown like remote work where they would actually be able to own a home and not waste hundreds of hours a year commuting were taking away with no factual evidence.
I never said the world didn't fail them, I simply said they were dumber and less capable than i was when I was that age. Its the adults fault that they are dumb. Not mine specifically cause I don't have any kids, but my generations fault for sure.

It sounds like you are sort of acknowledging that they are dumb, but saying "hey what do you expect".

The average young person today can't do the MOST BASIC math in their head, spell, read a map without a magenta line, nevermind being able to talk to another person face to face. You're right that it's not all their fault, but that doesnt change the fact that it's true. Just because they don't deserve to be dumb, doesn't mean they aren't.

Don't believe me? Go to a Starbucks, order something that comes out to 5.25. Hamd the person a 10. Then when the drawer is open hand then 25 cents and watch what happens...

Then report back here...
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khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:21 pm
newlygrounded wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:44 am
khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:36 am

What clickbait? Young people today are dumber than ever. And it's really sad.

If you don't like the video, read the article saying math and reading scores are lower than ever.

Do you really think the average young person is doing OK? Better than you did when you were young? Are you looking forward to them being in charge? These are the people that bring their parents in for a job interview... that is, if they decide to actually try to get a job.
Your original post said the average 16 year old was dumber than YOU, I haven't seen any of your report cards yet.
I think they're doing pretty well considering how much the world has failed them. I keep hearing at work, all the kids are lazy!

What is there worth working towards? You'd need a household income over close to $250,000 to buy an average house, there is nowhere in the country where the old rule of rent/mortgage will be 30% of your income, car insurance is several hundreds a month, the best years of their lives (ex university) were taken away and they lost out on in person socializing for university and are graduating in a post covid job market.

The few life preserves they were thrown like remote work where they would actually be able to own a home and not waste hundreds of hours a year commuting were taking away with no factual evidence.
I never said the world didn't fail them, I simply said they were dumber and less capable than i was when I was that age. Its the adults fault that they are dumb. Not mine specifically cause I don't have any kids, but my generations fault for sure.

It sounds like you are sort of acknowledging that they are dumb, but saying "hey what do you expect".

The average young person today can't the MOST BASIC math in their head, spell, read a map without a magenta line, nevermind being able to talk to another person face to face. You're right that it's not all their fault, but that doesnt change the fact that it's true. Just because they don't deserve to be dumb, doesn't mean they aren't.
You never really provided any metric to compare 16 year old you, and why does it matter anyways?

I think you're looking at it the wrong way, you both value different things. I remember being in elementary school and being told I'll never have a calculator in my pocket (hahaha) or you better get good at remembering phone numbers (see last point) You're basically valuing a different set of skills differently than a whole generation of people and saying they're dumb for not agreeing.

You're assigning ZERO value to the things the excel at, that sounds incredibly dumb to me!
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newlygrounded wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:26 pm
khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:21 pm
newlygrounded wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:44 am

Your original post said the average 16 year old was dumber than YOU, I haven't seen any of your report cards yet.
I think they're doing pretty well considering how much the world has failed them. I keep hearing at work, all the kids are lazy!

What is there worth working towards? You'd need a household income over close to $250,000 to buy an average house, there is nowhere in the country where the old rule of rent/mortgage will be 30% of your income, car insurance is several hundreds a month, the best years of their lives (ex university) were taken away and they lost out on in person socializing for university and are graduating in a post covid job market.

The few life preserves they were thrown like remote work where they would actually be able to own a home and not waste hundreds of hours a year commuting were taking away with no factual evidence.
I never said the world didn't fail them, I simply said they were dumber and less capable than i was when I was that age. Its the adults fault that they are dumb. Not mine specifically cause I don't have any kids, but my generations fault for sure.

It sounds like you are sort of acknowledging that they are dumb, but saying "hey what do you expect".

The average young person today can't the MOST BASIC math in their head, spell, read a map without a magenta line, nevermind being able to talk to another person face to face. You're right that it's not all their fault, but that doesnt change the fact that it's true. Just because they don't deserve to be dumb, doesn't mean they aren't.
You never really provided any metric to compare 16 year old you, and why does it matter anyways?

I think you're looking at it the wrong way, you both value different things. I remember being in elementary school and being told I'll never have a calculator in my pocket (hahaha) or you better get good at remembering phone numbers (see last point) You're basically valuing a different set of skills differently than a whole generation of people and saying they're dumb for not agreeing.

You're assigning ZERO value to the things the excel at, that sounds incredibly dumb to me!
I just provided a metric. You dont like it?

Ok i get it.... you don't value being able to add or multiply single digit numbers in your head, or being able to speak to other people face to face.

I see. I guess we definitely value different things.

But hey, they can order uber eats and text with one hand while driving better than i can. They can also understand which tik tok video is trending and tell me why instrgram is no longer the bomb. We're going to do fine I guess.
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I guess being able to identify which Kardashian is which over being able to name a country on a map or knowing which language is spoken in a foreign city doesnt agree with my list of values.

You win...
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khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:36 pm I guess being able to identify which Kardashian is which over being able to name a country on a map or knowing which language is spoken in a foreign city doesnt agree with my list of values.

You win...
The only metric you provided is that they are worse at algebra that you can do with your calculator, I think they’ve done an amazing job being able to navigate the social media landscape, I think they’ve done an amazing job being able to see through the bullshit that the boomers and millennials couldn’t at work.

I think they’re a lot more unified than past generations, are you going to say they’re dumber because they can’t remember phone numbers as easily?

Remember, your own words were you as a 16-year-old. Can you let me know what proof you gave of your capabilities at that age? Please don’t bother replying if you’re not even going to do that.

It is incredibly ironic that you are parading around how smart you are, yet you’re falling for YouTube click bait meant to divide people 😂 you realize I can find videos of any group of people from any country being able to fail basic questions, right?
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I didnt fall for anything. I provided you with a couple metrics to show you today's kids are dumb.

I also said nothing about algebra. I said they can't do BASIC MATH. Ask a 16 year old what 6x7 is. Or any other number of basic questions. Do the Starbucks example. I said they couldn't read a map.

I also said being able to talk to another human face to face. Funny how you left that one out. You don't consider that valuable??? I could navigate social media too if I wanted to use it. Being good at social media is not a virtue. It caused the actual social problem that I just mentioned.

I did better than them at everything. Math, reading, writing. Basic problem solving. When i was 15 I walked into a fast food restaurant on my own, approached the owner on my own and asked for a job. I did the interview on my own and got myself to work using a bike, my feet, or the bus. I managed my own money, I can type, email, use all the modern technology they can but also still be able to add 10 and 36 in my head.

I'm amazed how you think these kids did so well when they are in pretty rough shape and it's our fault.
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khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:10 pm I didnt fall for anything. I provided you with a couple metrics to show you today's kids are dumb.

I also said nothing about algebra. I said they can't do BASIC MATH. Ask a 16 year old what 6x7 is. Or any other number of basic questions. Do the Starbucks example. I said they couldn't read a map.

I also said being able to talk to another human face to face. Funny how you left that one out. You don't consider that valuable??? I could navigate social media too if I wanted to use it. Being good at social media is not a virtue. It caused the actual social problem that I just mentioned.

I did better than them at everything. Math, reading, writing. Basic problem solving. When i was 15 I walked into a fast food restaurant on my own, approached the owner on my own and asked for a job. I did the interview on my own and got myself to work using a bike, my feet, or the bus. I managed my own money, I can type, email, use all the modern technology they can but also still be able to add 10 and 36 in my head.

I'm amazed how you think these kids did so well when they are in pretty rough shape and it's our fault.
I’m on mobile right now but all I remember you proving was their basic math skills suffered, you didn’t give proof of anything else, including a single one of your claims about yourself. No report cards or anything 😂
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khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:10 pm
I did better than them at everything. Math, reading, writing. Basic problem solving. When i was 15 I walked into a fast food restaurant on my own, approached the owner on my own and asked for a job. I did the interview on my own and got myself to work using a bike, my feet, or the bus. I managed my own money, I can type, email, use all the modern technology they can but also still be able to add 10 and 36 in my head.

I'm amazed how you think these kids did so well when they are in pretty rough shape and it's our fault.
Lol. For shits 'n giggles, try to do that today.

It's not how the world works anymore. So of course they don't have those skills anymore. Nowadays there will be online forms to fill out, perhaps some video interviews, and so on.

The occasional job might still accept walk ins, but most jobs, and especially the jobs you really want, have online screening processes going on.
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digits_ wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:31 pm
khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:10 pm
I did better than them at everything. Math, reading, writing. Basic problem solving. When i was 15 I walked into a fast food restaurant on my own, approached the owner on my own and asked for a job. I did the interview on my own and got myself to work using a bike, my feet, or the bus. I managed my own money, I can type, email, use all the modern technology they can but also still be able to add 10 and 36 in my head.

I'm amazed how you think these kids did so well when they are in pretty rough shape and it's our fault.
Lol. For shits 'n giggles, try to do that today.

It's not how the world works anymore. So of course they don't have those skills anymore. Nowadays there will be online forms to fill out, perhaps some video interviews, and so on.

The occasional job might still accept walk ins, but most jobs, and especially the jobs you really want, have online screening processes going on.
It's clear nobody here has dealt with apply for a job through indeed and got an auto rejection email 30 seconds later because the AI screening didn't see a keyword it was looking for, even McDonalds of all places does video interview these days
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pelmet wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:08 pm
‘Bob’ wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:45 am
khedrei wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:36 am

What clickbait? Young people today are dumber than ever. And it's really sad.

If you don't like the video, read the article saying math and reading scores are lower than ever.

Do you really think the average young person is doing OK? Better than you did when you were young? Are you looking forward to them being in charge? These are the people that bring their parents in for a job interview... that is, if they decide to actually try to get a job.
PP never had a job.

Actually until he won his first election, neither did nepo baby Donald Trump.
Why do so many grown adults have such child-like arguments? I vote based on policy, not whether one had an acceptable job prior to becoming PM. It is almost as if they know that their policies are so bad that they desperately search for anything to provide a distraction.

Message to Bob. If you want to finally start having credibility, then simply pick some policies of "PP" that you disagree with and state clearly why you think the policies you support are better. Then you could try making an argument based on the overall policies(some of which you may be for while others you disagree with and wrap it up as an overall argument of why you feel he should not be PM). Imagine doing something like that. Perhaps on a different thread as this one is about tariffs.
+100. And to a few others too. You know who you are.
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https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/cana ... lead_pos11

Canada’s Trudeau Says Trump Might Be Serious About 51st State
Prime minister tells business leaders that Trump is interested in the country’s minerals and energy resources

TORONTO—President Trump might be serious about annexing Canada because he is keen to control the country’s natural resources, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told business leaders Friday.

His comments were made during a closed-door session at an economic summit his office organized in Toronto featuring business and labor leaders.

According to people who were present for the closed-door remarks, Trudeau said he didn’t believe that Trump was joking about wanting to annex Canada and suggested it might be connected to the country’s minerals and energy resources.

The remarks were earlier reported by the Toronto Star. Trudeau spoke earlier Friday while the media were present and said now was the time for lawmakers and business leaders to discuss strategies to make the economy more resilient.

Trump had threatened a 25% tariff on all nonenergy Canada imports, alongside a 10% tariff on energy imports which incorporates critical minerals, starting on Feb. 4, unless Ottawa took efforts to fortify its border security and deter fentanyl trafficking. The U.S. granted Canada a 30-day reprieve from a 25% tariff this week, giving Canada until early March to show progress on the border front.

Trump has also mused about using economic force to coerce Canada to become the 51st state. Previously, Canadian officials said Trump was joking when musing about Canada as a 51st state.
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Wake up Canada , tariffs least of problems

Dictators playbook 101
1/Crush domestic opposition
2 /sell the glory of conquest
3/ military ultimatium for domination without ever firing a shot
4/ annexation or invasion
Canada biggest pile of wealth not yet controlled by a dictator. We check every box to make that risk of conquest worthwhile. / read my full posts on this. short version OTTAWA over run in 10 days or less // massive lands massive natural wealth // token military resistance.
7yrs to build a lethal effective airforce 10 years a navy and 5 army. Canada is running out of time. :smt014
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rookiepilot wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 5:29 pm
pelmet wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:08 pm
‘Bob’ wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:45 am

PP never had a job.

Actually until he won his first election, neither did nepo baby Donald Trump.
Why do so many grown adults have such child-like arguments? I vote based on policy, not whether one had an acceptable job prior to becoming PM. It is almost as if they know that their policies are so bad that they desperately search for anything to provide a distraction.

Message to Bob. If you want to finally start having credibility, then simply pick some policies of "PP" that you disagree with and state clearly why you think the policies you support are better. Then you could try making an argument based on the overall policies(some of which you may be for while others you disagree with and wrap it up as an overall argument of why you feel he should not be PM). Imagine doing something like that. Perhaps on a different thread as this one is about tariffs.
+100. And to a few others too. You know who you are.
You confuse me sometimes, You’re anti Trump, which makes sense somebody’s literally trying to attack our country and there are useful idiots here cheering it on! But then your pro PP Who is just going to give every concession they ask for?

People have given plenty of reasons why we disagree with the conservative party, but everybody seems to ignore it and latch onto the most minor part of the statements people give
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Applies to Canada too.
To get deficits under control.

Tax all US companies on worldwide income. No foreign income shifting.
Remove all tax exemptions relating to interest, estate, property.
Raise RT age to 70
Means test all entitlements.
Impose new public sector union contracts.
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I just heard a radio advertisement from federal workers stating how working from home is good for the environment. This has to end. It's time to do your job or get fired.
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Dry Guy wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:38 pm I just heard a radio advertisement from federal workers stating how working from home is good for the environment. This has to end. It's time to do your job or get fired.
Oh yeah. Forgot.


Time to ban all third party political advertising. At all times. Its election interference.
Lets ban all Pharmaceutical and gambling ads as well.
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rookiepilot wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:45 pm
Dry Guy wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:38 pm I just heard a radio advertisement from federal workers stating how working from home is good for the environment. This has to end. It's time to do your job or get fired.
Oh yeah. Forgot.


Time to ban all third party political advertising. At all times. Its election interference.
Lets ban all Pharmaceutical and gambling ads as well.
I would love to see lawn signs(most of which are not on private property) banned. At least the ones not on private property.
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Dry Guy wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:38 pm I just heard a radio advertisement from federal workers stating how working from home is good for the environment. This has to end. It's time to do your job or get fired.
Working from home has nothing to do with doing your job or not. Forcing people to come into an office just to work behind a computer screen is madness. Let's hope that one positive aspect of COVID doesn't disappear.

Does that work for every job? No of course not. But if the job can be done remotely, it's a bit silly to not allow that.
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Dry Guy wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:38 pm I just heard a radio advertisement from federal workers stating how working from home is good for the environment. This has to end. It's time to do your job or get fired.
I've run my company for 25 years, we have NEVER had an office that folks commute to. My employees have all 'worked from home' for the entire time, it's called a 'home office'. You may not like it, but, but here is some reality for you.

1 - It's far cheaper, we dont have to spend thousands of dollars each month on office space, with all the extra bills that entails.
2 - My engineers are FAR more productive than those forced to commute to a cubicle
3 - Our folks dont waste hours endlessly stuck in traffic going to/from the workplace
4 - We have no 'office politics'

We have had a phone system in place for over 20 years which allows an 'extension' to sit on a desk, anywhere there is a network connection, it's been our biggest asset over time. Over time we've added internal video conferencing for internal meetings, works great.

We have a very happy workforce, all of whom live where they want to, based on the lifestyle they want to live. Some are in downtown core of a big city, most are in more rural areas. Heck, one of them is even 'on the road' full time these days, lives in a Class A motorhome, has a beautiful office console set up inside with a starlink antenna mounted on the roof. He's currently parked in southern Arizona, and plans on parking for a month in the Yukon next summer. And you know what, I dont really care where he is, as long as he can attend some online meetings and meets his deliver deadlines, life is good.

I get it tho, for somebody who chose a job that requires you to be physically present, you resent those that chose a path which allows for remote work. Everybody made choices along the way as to what they want to do, and at present flying airplanes is one of those tasks for which you have to 'go to the workplace'.

Another aspect to this, most folks project 'what I would do' onto others, and if you are the type of person that would spend the day seducing the canine if working remotely without somebody looking over your shoulder, then you project that onto what you think everybody else will be doing. That's a personality thing, some folks need supervising, others do not.

Then there is another huge benefit to working remotely, I'll use the example of a friend that has lived in Richmond for decades. When 2020 came around, both he and his wife got shifted to 'work from home'. He is a software fella, she is inside sales for a large tech firm. After fhings died down and some companies started going 'back to the office', they were both informed that the company was going to do away with the lease on the space they were in because after folks had been home for a month and got used to the concept, company metrics showed that the majority of the employees were equally productive from home as they were in the office, so they would be staying 'at home'. They promptly sold out in Richmond and moved to a small center on Vancouver Island, sold a 3 bedroom townhouse, bought a 4 bedroom home on a small acreage and had money left over. both now work from the home office and love it.

For a job that has a reason to be at a specific workspace, ya, folks head back. But for folks that are just buried in a cubicle behind the scenes, there is no reason to force them back into a commute, and lots of reasons to leave them at home. the days of the physical call center are over, replaced by technology to route calls. Most folks working in accounting have no need to be physically present at a specific workspace, same for inside sales, tech support, much of the IT work, list goes on and on. Yes, there will always be some tasks that require folks to be at a specific place, but it surely does not apply to all of them.
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Re: Trump threatens immediate 25% tariffs on Canada

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goldeneagle wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:53 am
Dry Guy wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:38 pm I just heard a radio advertisement from federal workers stating how working from home is good for the environment. This has to end. It's time to do your job or get fired.
I've run my company for 25 years, we have NEVER had an office that folks commute to. My employees have all 'worked from home' for the entire time, it's called a 'home office'. You may not like it, but, but here is some reality for you.

1 - It's far cheaper, we dont have to spend thousands of dollars each month on office space, with all the extra bills that entails.
2 - My engineers are FAR more productive than those forced to commute to a cubicle
3 - Our folks dont waste hours endlessly stuck in traffic going to/from the workplace
4 - We have no 'office politics'

We have had a phone system in place for over 20 years which allows an 'extension' to sit on a desk, anywhere there is a network connection, it's been our biggest asset over time. Over time we've added internal video conferencing for internal meetings, works great.

We have a very happy workforce, all of whom live where they want to, based on the lifestyle they want to live. Some are in downtown core of a big city, most are in more rural areas. Heck, one of them is even 'on the road' full time these days, lives in a Class A motorhome, has a beautiful office console set up inside with a starlink antenna mounted on the roof. He's currently parked in southern Arizona, and plans on parking for a month in the Yukon next summer. And you know what, I dont really care where he is, as long as he can attend some online meetings and meets his deliver deadlines, life is good.

I get it tho, for somebody who chose a job that requires you to be physically present, you resent those that chose a path which allows for remote work. Everybody made choices along the way as to what they want to do, and at present flying airplanes is one of those tasks for which you have to 'go to the workplace'.

Another aspect to this, most folks project 'what I would do' onto others, and if you are the type of person that would spend the day seducing the canine if working remotely without somebody looking over your shoulder, then you project that onto what you think everybody else will be doing. That's a personality thing, some folks need supervising, others do not.

Then there is another huge benefit to working remotely, I'll use the example of a friend that has lived in Richmond for decades. When 2020 came around, both he and his wife got shifted to 'work from home'. He is a software fella, she is inside sales for a large tech firm. After fhings died down and some companies started going 'back to the office', they were both informed that the company was going to do away with the lease on the space they were in because after folks had been home for a month and got used to the concept, company metrics showed that the majority of the employees were equally productive from home as they were in the office, so they would be staying 'at home'. They promptly sold out in Richmond and moved to a small center on Vancouver Island, sold a 3 bedroom townhouse, bought a 4 bedroom home on a small acreage and had money left over. both now work from the home office and love it.

For a job that has a reason to be at a specific workspace, ya, folks head back. But for folks that are just buried in a cubicle behind the scenes, there is no reason to force them back into a commute, and lots of reasons to leave them at home. the days of the physical call center are over, replaced by technology to route calls. Most folks working in accounting have no need to be physically present at a specific workspace, same for inside sales, tech support, much of the IT work, list goes on and on. Yes, there will always be some tasks that require folks to be at a specific place, but it surely does not apply to all of them.
Honestly even as someone who CAN theoretically work at home but isn't allowed to, I don't get why people (especially trades people and pilots) are so mad? Are ya'll that spiteful?

Does anyone remember how good traffic was in 2020? Do you want to piss away an extra hour a day in traffic or would you rather only people who need to be out are in your way?
Dry Guy wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:38 pm I just heard a radio advertisement from federal workers stating how working from home is good for the environment. This has to end. It's time to do your job or get fired.
See what I said above, but the Federal government sold some buildings, there are LITTERALLY NOT ENOUGH DESKS, parking spots etc for people to go in 5 days
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Re: Trump threatens immediate 25% tariffs on Canada

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newlygrounded wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 10:35 am
goldeneagle wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 9:53 am
Dry Guy wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:38 pm I just heard a radio advertisement from federal workers stating how working from home is good for the environment. This has to end. It's time to do your job or get fired.
I've run my company for 25 years, we have NEVER had an office that folks commute to. My employees have all 'worked from home' for the entire time, it's called a 'home office'. You may not like it, but, but here is some reality for you.

1 - It's far cheaper, we dont have to spend thousands of dollars each month on office space, with all the extra bills that entails.
2 - My engineers are FAR more productive than those forced to commute to a cubicle
3 - Our folks dont waste hours endlessly stuck in traffic going to/from the workplace
4 - We have no 'office politics'

We have had a phone system in place for over 20 years which allows an 'extension' to sit on a desk, anywhere there is a network connection, it's been our biggest asset over time. Over time we've added internal video conferencing for internal meetings, works great.

We have a very happy workforce, all of whom live where they want to, based on the lifestyle they want to live. Some are in downtown core of a big city, most are in more rural areas. Heck, one of them is even 'on the road' full time these days, lives in a Class A motorhome, has a beautiful office console set up inside with a starlink antenna mounted on the roof. He's currently parked in southern Arizona, and plans on parking for a month in the Yukon next summer. And you know what, I dont really care where he is, as long as he can attend some online meetings and meets his deliver deadlines, life is good.

I get it tho, for somebody who chose a job that requires you to be physically present, you resent those that chose a path which allows for remote work. Everybody made choices along the way as to what they want to do, and at present flying airplanes is one of those tasks for which you have to 'go to the workplace'.

Another aspect to this, most folks project 'what I would do' onto others, and if you are the type of person that would spend the day seducing the canine if working remotely without somebody looking over your shoulder, then you project that onto what you think everybody else will be doing. That's a personality thing, some folks need supervising, others do not.

Then there is another huge benefit to working remotely, I'll use the example of a friend that has lived in Richmond for decades. When 2020 came around, both he and his wife got shifted to 'work from home'. He is a software fella, she is inside sales for a large tech firm. After fhings died down and some companies started going 'back to the office', they were both informed that the company was going to do away with the lease on the space they were in because after folks had been home for a month and got used to the concept, company metrics showed that the majority of the employees were equally productive from home as they were in the office, so they would be staying 'at home'. They promptly sold out in Richmond and moved to a small center on Vancouver Island, sold a 3 bedroom townhouse, bought a 4 bedroom home on a small acreage and had money left over. both now work from the home office and love it.

For a job that has a reason to be at a specific workspace, ya, folks head back. But for folks that are just buried in a cubicle behind the scenes, there is no reason to force them back into a commute, and lots of reasons to leave them at home. the days of the physical call center are over, replaced by technology to route calls. Most folks working in accounting have no need to be physically present at a specific workspace, same for inside sales, tech support, much of the IT work, list goes on and on. Yes, there will always be some tasks that require folks to be at a specific place, but it surely does not apply to all of them.
Honestly even as someone who CAN theoretically work at home but isn't allowed to, I don't get why people (especially trades people and pilots) are so mad? Are ya'll that spiteful?

Does anyone remember how good traffic was in 2020? Do you want to piss away an extra hour a day in traffic or would you rather only people who need to be out are in your way?
Dry Guy wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:38 pm I just heard a radio advertisement from federal workers stating how working from home is good for the environment. This has to end. It's time to do your job or get fired.
See what I said above, but the Federal government sold some buildings, there are LITTERALLY NOT ENOUGH DESKS, parking spots etc for people to go in 5 days
I don’t really care as long as the work is getting done and the old adage about city employees standing around while one does the work for four is likely hard to wrap one’s mind around. Plenty of anecdotal evidence about government departments being less efficient now, leads one to believe the work from home is the problem.
There is another aspect to think about, for some people getting out of the house and having to walk to the office from a park aide, going for a walk on lunch break and just generally moving around is the only exercise they get. Has any study been done on working from home effects on physical and mental health?
Productivity is one thing but missing out on the camaraderie of the office environment and getting out of the house can weigh on some people.
I have a friend who has been working from home since it all began, physical health has declined, does not seem to be the same jovial person I knew before and this person now has to go to the office at least one day per week which they have said they appreciate. Of course if you asked them, they are enjoying all the “benefits” of working from home, you get to keep more of your income without the fuel bill, parking cost and eating out most days but I’ve definitely seen the downside of it.
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