Trump threatens immediate 25% tariffs on Canada

[digits_]

There is another aspect to think about, for some people getting out of the house and having to walk to the office from a park aide, going for a walk on lunch break and just generally moving around is the only exercise they get. Has any study been done on working from home effects on physical and mental health?
Productivity is one thing but missing out on the camaraderie of the office environment and getting out of the house can weigh on some people.
I have a friend who has been working from home since it all began, physical health has declined, does not seem to be the same jovial person I knew before and this person now has to go to the office at least one day per week which they have said they appreciate. Of course if you asked them, they are enjoying all the “benefits” of working from home, you get to keep more of your income without the fuel bill, parking cost and eating out most days but I’ve definitely seen the downside of it.

A lot of us work from home folks prefer working from home precisely to avoid the fake and forced team spirit exercises and artificial camaraderie. It's what we're trying to get away from. Colleagues are colleagues and friends are friends. Saving 2 hours of commuting a day gives you ample time to join clubs or meet people with common interests.

Does that mean you might miss out on a life long friendship you might have forged at work? Absolutely. However it's more likely you'll also miss out on the toxic coworker you're sharing a desk with or the micromanaging boss that needs to flex his authority muscle every half hour. Which all has a way bigger effect on your emotional well being.

And hey, if you really want to work in an office, count your blessings, there are still -unfortunately- way more in office jobs out there where you can shine if so desired.

[cdnavater]

There is another aspect to think about, for some people getting out of the house and having to walk to the office from a park aide, going for a walk on lunch break and just generally moving around is the only exercise they get. Has any study been done on working from home effects on physical and mental health?
Productivity is one thing but missing out on the camaraderie of the office environment and getting out of the house can weigh on some people.
I have a friend who has been working from home since it all began, physical health has declined, does not seem to be the same jovial person I knew before and this person now has to go to the office at least one day per week which they have said they appreciate. Of course if you asked them, they are enjoying all the “benefits” of working from home, you get to keep more of your income without the fuel bill, parking cost and eating out most days but I’ve definitely seen the downside of it.

A lot of us work from home folks prefer working from home precisely to avoid the fake and forced team spirit exercises and artificial camaraderie. It's what we're trying to get away from. Colleagues are colleagues and friends are friends. Saving 2 hours of commuting a day gives you ample time to join clubs or meet people with common interests.

Does that mean you might miss out on a life long friendship you might have forged at work? Absolutely. However it's more likely you'll also miss out on the toxic coworker you're sharing a desk with or the micromanaging boss that needs to flex his authority muscle every half hour. Which all has a way bigger effect on your emotional well being.

And hey, if you really want to work in an office, count your blessings, there are still -unfortunately- way more in office jobs out there where you can shine if so desired.

Gawd you’re jaded! Fake and forced team spirit, where do you work?
The thing about jobs that require a specific skill set is that those jobs typically attract people with similar personality traits, so the odds of getting along the people you work with would be typically higher for many professions.
Before my aviation career I’ve had a few different types of positions and I ALWAYS got along with the people I worked with, many friendships made along the way, many after work visits to the local pubs for a great time.
I also have found that other than joining clubs or activities, I have a lot more in common with people I work with, I guess I’m one of those who would prefer the social aspect of working with people, it’s partly why I choose flying over my original plan of law school.

[digits_]

There is another aspect to think about, for some people getting out of the house and having to walk to the office from a park aide, going for a walk on lunch break and just generally moving around is the only exercise they get. Has any study been done on working from home effects on physical and mental health?
Productivity is one thing but missing out on the camaraderie of the office environment and getting out of the house can weigh on some people.
I have a friend who has been working from home since it all began, physical health has declined, does not seem to be the same jovial person I knew before and this person now has to go to the office at least one day per week which they have said they appreciate. Of course if you asked them, they are enjoying all the “benefits” of working from home, you get to keep more of your income without the fuel bill, parking cost and eating out most days but I’ve definitely seen the downside of it.

A lot of us work from home folks prefer working from home precisely to avoid the fake and forced team spirit exercises and artificial camaraderie. It's what we're trying to get away from. Colleagues are colleagues and friends are friends. Saving 2 hours of commuting a day gives you ample time to join clubs or meet people with common interests.

Does that mean you might miss out on a life long friendship you might have forged at work? Absolutely. However it's more likely you'll also miss out on the toxic coworker you're sharing a desk with or the micromanaging boss that needs to flex his authority muscle every half hour. Which all has a way bigger effect on your emotional well being.

And hey, if you really want to work in an office, count your blessings, there are still -unfortunately- way more in office jobs out there where you can shine if so desired.

Gawd you’re jaded! Fake and forced team spirit, where do you work?
The thing about jobs that require a specific skill set is that those jobs typically attract people with similar personality traits, so the odds of getting along the people you work with would be typically higher for many professions.
Before my aviation career I’ve had a few different types of positions and I ALWAYS got along with the people I worked with, many friendships made along the way, many after work visits to the local pubs for a great time.
I also have found that other than joining clubs or activities, I have a lot more in common with people I work with, I guess I’m one of those who would prefer the social aspect of working with people, it’s partly why I choose flying over my original plan of law school.

Why am I jaded? I like my remote job. That's the opposite of jaded.
I am defending the few remote jobs that are out there. If it's not for you, fine, but don't try to discredit them because it doesn't fit your lifestyle.

[cdnavater]

A lot of us work from home folks prefer working from home precisely to avoid the fake and forced team spirit exercises and artificial camaraderie. It's what we're trying to get away from. Colleagues are colleagues and friends are friends. Saving 2 hours of commuting a day gives you ample time to join clubs or meet people with common interests.

Does that mean you might miss out on a life long friendship you might have forged at work? Absolutely. However it's more likely you'll also miss out on the toxic coworker you're sharing a desk with or the micromanaging boss that needs to flex his authority muscle every half hour. Which all has a way bigger effect on your emotional well being.

And hey, if you really want to work in an office, count your blessings, there are still -unfortunately- way more in office jobs out there where you can shine if so desired.

Gawd you’re jaded! Fake and forced team spirit, where do you work?
The thing about jobs that require a specific skill set is that those jobs typically attract people with similar personality traits, so the odds of getting along the people you work with would be typically higher for many professions.
Before my aviation career I’ve had a few different types of positions and I ALWAYS got along with the people I worked with, many friendships made along the way, many after work visits to the local pubs for a great time.
I also have found that other than joining clubs or activities, I have a lot more in common with people I work with, I guess I’m one of those who would prefer the social aspect of working with people, it’s partly why I choose flying over my original plan of law school.

Why am I jaded? I like my remote job. That's the opposite of jaded.
I am defending the few remote jobs that are out there. If it's not for you, fine, but don't try to discredit them because it doesn't fit your lifestyle.

It was the comment you made about “fake and forced” team spirit that drew that comment, I can see that at Walmart during the morning rally thing they do or whatever they call it but Walmart is not exactly what we are talking about.
Lawyers working from home and never going to the office would lose the ability to bounce defense strategies off colleagues etc..
Like I said, I’m not against it, just saying there are benefits to going to work, believe me, after over 30 years in this business I’m looking forward to the days where I don’t have to leave for a stretch of work, different, I know.

[Dias]

Why don't work from home civil servants outsource their job to other countries and pay them a portion of their salary? At least the work would get done properly.

[newlygrounded]

Why don't work from home civil servants outsource their job to other countries and pay them a portion of their salary? At least the work would get done properly.

I don’t understand why people who hate the public service never try to find out why things don’t work well, the majority of issues are due to management not the worker bees.

[newlygrounded]

I've run my company for 25 years, we have NEVER had an office that folks commute to. My employees have all 'worked from home' for the entire time, it's called a 'home office'. You may not like it, but, but here is some reality for you.

1 - It's far cheaper, we dont have to spend thousands of dollars each month on office space, with all the extra bills that entails.
2 - My engineers are FAR more productive than those forced to commute to a cubicle
3 - Our folks dont waste hours endlessly stuck in traffic going to/from the workplace
4 - We have no 'office politics'

We have had a phone system in place for over 20 years which allows an 'extension' to sit on a desk, anywhere there is a network connection, it's been our biggest asset over time. Over time we've added internal video conferencing for internal meetings, works great.

We have a very happy workforce, all of whom live where they want to, based on the lifestyle they want to live. Some are in downtown core of a big city, most are in more rural areas. Heck, one of them is even 'on the road' full time these days, lives in a Class A motorhome, has a beautiful office console set up inside with a starlink antenna mounted on the roof. He's currently parked in southern Arizona, and plans on parking for a month in the Yukon next summer. And you know what, I dont really care where he is, as long as he can attend some online meetings and meets his deliver deadlines, life is good.

I get it tho, for somebody who chose a job that requires you to be physically present, you resent those that chose a path which allows for remote work. Everybody made choices along the way as to what they want to do, and at present flying airplanes is one of those tasks for which you have to 'go to the workplace'.

Another aspect to this, most folks project 'what I would do' onto others, and if you are the type of person that would spend the day seducing the canine if working remotely without somebody looking over your shoulder, then you project that onto what you think everybody else will be doing. That's a personality thing, some folks need supervising, others do not.

Then there is another huge benefit to working remotely, I'll use the example of a friend that has lived in Richmond for decades. When 2020 came around, both he and his wife got shifted to 'work from home'. He is a software fella, she is inside sales for a large tech firm. After fhings died down and some companies started going 'back to the office', they were both informed that the company was going to do away with the lease on the space they were in because after folks had been home for a month and got used to the concept, company metrics showed that the majority of the employees were equally productive from home as they were in the office, so they would be staying 'at home'. They promptly sold out in Richmond and moved to a small center on Vancouver Island, sold a 3 bedroom townhouse, bought a 4 bedroom home on a small acreage and had money left over. both now work from the home office and love it.

For a job that has a reason to be at a specific workspace, ya, folks head back. But for folks that are just buried in a cubicle behind the scenes, there is no reason to force them back into a commute, and lots of reasons to leave them at home. the days of the physical call center are over, replaced by technology to route calls. Most folks working in accounting have no need to be physically present at a specific workspace, same for inside sales, tech support, much of the IT work, list goes on and on. Yes, there will always be some tasks that require folks to be at a specific place, but it surely does not apply to all of them.

Honestly even as someone who CAN theoretically work at home but isn't allowed to, I don't get why people (especially trades people and pilots) are so mad? Are ya'll that spiteful?

Does anyone remember how good traffic was in 2020? Do you want to piss away an extra hour a day in traffic or would you rather only people who need to be out are in your way?

I just heard a radio advertisement from federal workers stating how working from home is good for the environment. This has to end. It's time to do your job or get fired.

See what I said above, but the Federal government sold some buildings, there are LITTERALLY NOT ENOUGH DESKS, parking spots etc for people to go in 5 days

I don’t really care as long as the work is getting done and the old adage about city employees standing around while one does the work for four is likely hard to wrap one’s mind around. Plenty of anecdotal evidence about government departments being less efficient now, leads one to believe the work from home is the problem.
There is another aspect to think about, for some people getting out of the house and having to walk to the office from a park aide, going for a walk on lunch break and just generally moving around is the only exercise they get. Has any study been done on working from home effects on physical and mental health?
Productivity is one thing but missing out on the camaraderie of the office environment and getting out of the house can weigh on some people.
I have a friend who has been working from home since it all began, physical health has declined, does not seem to be the same jovial person I knew before and this person now has to go to the office at least one day per week which they have said they appreciate. Of course if you asked them, they are enjoying all the “benefits” of working from home, you get to keep more of your income without the fuel bill, parking cost and eating out most days but I’ve definitely seen the downside of it.

The thing about anecdotes is they aren’t evidence, GOC productivity went up during WFH, there are actually lawsuits going on because there was no evidence/metrics to justify sending people back in. It was all political medalling from city mayors.

Also if your only exercise is leaving for work you’re doomed to poor health later on, many people I know were able to give up one of their cars and turned that parking spot into a home gym, so more health reasons to stay at home

[cdnavater]

Honestly even as someone who CAN theoretically work at home but isn't allowed to, I don't get why people (especially trades people and pilots) are so mad? Are ya'll that spiteful?

Does anyone remember how good traffic was in 2020? Do you want to piss away an extra hour a day in traffic or would you rather only people who need to be out are in your way?



See what I said above, but the Federal government sold some buildings, there are LITTERALLY NOT ENOUGH DESKS, parking spots etc for people to go in 5 days

I don’t really care as long as the work is getting done and the old adage about city employees standing around while one does the work for four is likely hard to wrap one’s mind around. Plenty of anecdotal evidence about government departments being less efficient now, leads one to believe the work from home is the problem.
There is another aspect to think about, for some people getting out of the house and having to walk to the office from a park aide, going for a walk on lunch break and just generally moving around is the only exercise they get. Has any study been done on working from home effects on physical and mental health?
Productivity is one thing but missing out on the camaraderie of the office environment and getting out of the house can weigh on some people.
I have a friend who has been working from home since it all began, physical health has declined, does not seem to be the same jovial person I knew before and this person now has to go to the office at least one day per week which they have said they appreciate. Of course if you asked them, they are enjoying all the “benefits” of working from home, you get to keep more of your income without the fuel bill, parking cost and eating out most days but I’ve definitely seen the downside of it.

The thing about anecdotes is they aren’t evidence, GOC productivity went up during WFH, there are actually lawsuits going on because there was no evidence/metrics to justify sending people back in. It was all political medalling from city mayors.

Also if your only exercise is leaving for work you’re doomed to poor health later on, many people I know were able to give up one of their cars and turned that parking spot into a home gym, so more health reasons to stay at home

Isn’t the productivity increase a product of having more workers?
Since 2019, federal public service employees have gone from 288k to 368k, 40% increase since 2015!

[7ECA]

Trump announced sweeping 25% tariffs on all imported steel and aluminium entering the US starting "soon".

What a surprise, he broke his promise of the 30 day reprieve for negotiations...

[oldncold]

doubled down on annexation.. // i say again tarriffs least of your problems the ambasador said the his threats are a violation of international law.
he dont give fk. he needs canads resources he will take them by force, get your heads out of the sand

[newlygrounded]

I don’t really care as long as the work is getting done and the old adage about city employees standing around while one does the work for four is likely hard to wrap one’s mind around. Plenty of anecdotal evidence about government departments being less efficient now, leads one to believe the work from home is the problem.
There is another aspect to think about, for some people getting out of the house and having to walk to the office from a park aide, going for a walk on lunch break and just generally moving around is the only exercise they get. Has any study been done on working from home effects on physical and mental health?
Productivity is one thing but missing out on the camaraderie of the office environment and getting out of the house can weigh on some people.
I have a friend who has been working from home since it all began, physical health has declined, does not seem to be the same jovial person I knew before and this person now has to go to the office at least one day per week which they have said they appreciate. Of course if you asked them, they are enjoying all the “benefits” of working from home, you get to keep more of your income without the fuel bill, parking cost and eating out most days but I’ve definitely seen the downside of it.

The thing about anecdotes is they aren’t evidence, GOC productivity went up during WFH, there are actually lawsuits going on because there was no evidence/metrics to justify sending people back in. It was all political medalling from city mayors.

Also if your only exercise is leaving for work you’re doomed to poor health later on, many people I know were able to give up one of their cars and turned that parking spot into a home gym, so more health reasons to stay at home

Isn’t the productivity increase a product of having more workers?
Since 2019, federal public service employees have gone from 288k to 368k, 40% increase since 2015!

No, productivity measures are divided per worker. And of course there will be more workers temporarily, layoffs have started a while back. You had a lot more workers due to population growth and all the covid related programs along with knowledge transfer for the replacement workers from the retirees.

[cdnavater]

The thing about anecdotes is they aren’t evidence, GOC productivity went up during WFH, there are actually lawsuits going on because there was no evidence/metrics to justify sending people back in. It was all political medalling from city mayors.

Also if your only exercise is leaving for work you’re doomed to poor health later on, many people I know were able to give up one of their cars and turned that parking spot into a home gym, so more health reasons to stay at home

Isn’t the productivity increase a product of having more workers?
Since 2019, federal public service employees have gone from 288k to 368k, 40% increase since 2015!

No, productivity measures are divided per worker. And of course there will be more workers temporarily, layoffs have started a while back. You had a lot more workers due to population growth and all the covid related programs along with knowledge transfer for the replacement workers from the retirees.

You are quoting a study that is trying to make the case for work from home!
The fact is the amount of workers as outpaced the increase in productivity 4 or 5 times, the population has grown 1% per year since 2020, yet public service employees has gone up by 28% and productivity that has not been properly measured by 85% of the departments has only increased by 4.5%!
Not making the case you think you’re making!

https://globalnews.ca/news/10978266/pub ... ity-study/
Gintova said she was not necessarily surprised the working group wasn’t looking at remote work. She highlighted a recent study in the International Public Management Journal that found only eight out of 56 departments in Canada’s federal and provincial governments conducted “thorough analyses of employee productivity, effectiveness, efficiency, or equity with telework prior to implementing their post-pandemic telework policies
https://cdhowe.org/publication/graph-we ... ic-sector/

Post-pandemic, the share of public sector employees in total employment has increased to a robust 21.6 percent. However, public sector labour productivity has declined, consistent with broader productivity issues in Canada. Understanding the growing competition between the public and private sectors for both workers and investable resources is important for thinking through solutions to Canada’s productivity challenges.

[oldncold]

Mods thread drift federal govt productivity very little to do with tariffs. . Correct the drift or lock the topic

[newlygrounded]

Isn’t the productivity increase a product of having more workers?
Since 2019, federal public service employees have gone from 288k to 368k, 40% increase since 2015!

No, productivity measures are divided per worker. And of course there will be more workers temporarily, layoffs have started a while back. You had a lot more workers due to population growth and all the covid related programs along with knowledge transfer for the replacement workers from the retirees.

You are quoting a study that is trying to make the case for work from home!
The fact is the amount of workers as outpaced the increase in productivity 4 or 5 times, the population has grown 1% per year since 2020, yet public service employees has gone up by 28% and productivity that has not been properly measured by 85% of the departments has only increased by 4.5%!
Not making the case you think you’re making!

https://globalnews.ca/news/10978266/pub ... ity-study/
Gintova said she was not necessarily surprised the working group wasn’t looking at remote work. She highlighted a recent study in the International Public Management Journal that found only eight out of 56 departments in Canada’s federal and provincial governments conducted “thorough analyses of employee productivity, effectiveness, efficiency, or equity with telework prior to implementing their post-pandemic telework policies
https://cdhowe.org/publication/graph-we ... ic-sector/

Post-pandemic, the share of public sector employees in total employment has increased to a robust 21.6 percent. However, public sector labour productivity has declined, consistent with broader productivity issues in Canada. Understanding the growing competition between the public and private sectors for both workers and investable resources is important for thinking through solutions to Canada’s productivity challenges.

Did you miss the part where I said the growth was partially due to a huge increase in the programs that came out of Covid plus to cover Knowledge transfers for retirees? Or that layoffs have been happening for the last year?

[cdnavater]

Mods thread drift federal govt productivity very little to do with tariffs. . Correct the drift or lock the topic

Should call you old cold and grumpy, what does tariffs have to do with aviation?

[cdnavater]

No, productivity measures are divided per worker. And of course there will be more workers temporarily, layoffs have started a while back. You had a lot more workers due to population growth and all the covid related programs along with knowledge transfer for the replacement workers from the retirees.

You are quoting a study that is trying to make the case for work from home!
The fact is the amount of workers as outpaced the increase in productivity 4 or 5 times, the population has grown 1% per year since 2020, yet public service employees has gone up by 28% and productivity that has not been properly measured by 85% of the departments has only increased by 4.5%!
Not making the case you think you’re making!

https://globalnews.ca/news/10978266/pub ... ity-study/
Gintova said she was not necessarily surprised the working group wasn’t looking at remote work. She highlighted a recent study in the International Public Management Journal that found only eight out of 56 departments in Canada’s federal and provincial governments conducted “thorough analyses of employee productivity, effectiveness, efficiency, or equity with telework prior to implementing their post-pandemic telework policies
https://cdhowe.org/publication/graph-we ... ic-sector/

Post-pandemic, the share of public sector employees in total employment has increased to a robust 21.6 percent. However, public sector labour productivity has declined, consistent with broader productivity issues in Canada. Understanding the growing competition between the public and private sectors for both workers and investable resources is important for thinking through solutions to Canada’s productivity challenges.

Did you miss the part where I said the growth was partially due to a huge increase in the programs that came out of Covid plus to cover Knowledge transfers for retirees? Or that layoffs have been happening for the last year?

Ok, so what?
The fact is, the 4.5% increase in productivity is meaningless without a proper study, ie; is it a 10% increase in office productivity but a 5% decrease in work from home. Until the studies are complete, it’s meaningless, including my numbers.

[newlygrounded]

You are quoting a study that is trying to make the case for work from home!
The fact is the amount of workers as outpaced the increase in productivity 4 or 5 times, the population has grown 1% per year since 2020, yet public service employees has gone up by 28% and productivity that has not been properly measured by 85% of the departments has only increased by 4.5%!
Not making the case you think you’re making!

https://globalnews.ca/news/10978266/pub ... ity-study/
Gintova said she was not necessarily surprised the working group wasn’t looking at remote work. She highlighted a recent study in the International Public Management Journal that found only eight out of 56 departments in Canada’s federal and provincial governments conducted “thorough analyses of employee productivity, effectiveness, efficiency, or equity with telework prior to implementing their post-pandemic telework policies
https://cdhowe.org/publication/graph-we ... ic-sector/

Post-pandemic, the share of public sector employees in total employment has increased to a robust 21.6 percent. However, public sector labour productivity has declined, consistent with broader productivity issues in Canada. Understanding the growing competition between the public and private sectors for both workers and investable resources is important for thinking through solutions to Canada’s productivity challenges.

Did you miss the part where I said the growth was partially due to a huge increase in the programs that came out of Covid plus to cover Knowledge transfers for retirees? Or that layoffs have been happening for the last year?

Ok, so what?
The fact is, the 4.5% increase in productivity is meaningless without a proper study, ie; is it a 10% increase in office productivity but a 5% decrease in work from home. Until the studies are complete, it’s meaningless, including my numbers.

I mostly agree with you but there is actually a lawsuit going on because there was not a proper in depth study done.

There is a MASSIVE cost (in the Billions) to keep shuttling people into the office, even if you believe wfh is less effective and don’t care about the fact it’s a huge perk that is nearly cost free the RTO mandate with done with no studies.

Imagine if we spent billions buying “special” furniture without evaluating how well it works?

[cdnavater]

Did you miss the part where I said the growth was partially due to a huge increase in the programs that came out of Covid plus to cover Knowledge transfers for retirees? Or that layoffs have been happening for the last year?

Ok, so what?
The fact is, the 4.5% increase in productivity is meaningless without a proper study, ie; is it a 10% increase in office productivity but a 5% decrease in work from home. Until the studies are complete, it’s meaningless, including my numbers.

I mostly agree with you but there is actually a lawsuit going on because there was not a proper in depth study done.

There is a MASSIVE cost (in the Billions) to keep shuttling people into the office, even if you believe wfh is less effective and don’t care about the fact it’s a huge perk that is nearly cost free the RTO mandate with done with no studies.

Imagine if we spent billions buying “special” furniture without evaluating how well it works?

Isn’t that the point, if we need 60-80k more worker for a slight productivity increase or if the study comes back at the end of March that there was a decrease despite the extra employees, there is no benefit to the public who they serve.
If the study comes back and there actually is an increase in overall productivity, then maybe Trump won’t apply the tariffs(see what I did there oldncold) and Canadians can support work from home.
But if there is no benefit to the ones paying those bills, the tax payer, get back to work or get a new job!

[digits_]

But if there is no benefit to the ones paying those bills, the tax payer, get back to work or get a new job!

Surely you meant to say "if there's a significant detrimental effect to the ones paying those bills...."?

If the effect would be a toss up, then why not let the people work from home?

[cdnavater]

But if there is no benefit to the ones paying those bills, the tax payer, get back to work or get a new job!

Surely you meant to say "if there's a significant detrimental effect to the ones paying those bills...."?

If the effect would be a toss up, then why not let the people work from home?

I did mean detriment, a break even is fine but any and yes the line in the sand for me is any detriment to the tax payer then yes get back to the office.
It appears as though each department is being looked at individually, so I’m even fine with those deemed to be more productive or break even continue with work from home but any extra cost to the tax payers is unacceptable.
I’m not a bleeding heart, I pay way too much fu cking tax to give a shit if someone doesn’t want to drive in to work!

[goldeneagle]

I’m not a bleeding heart, I pay way too much fu cking tax to give a shit if someone doesn’t want to drive in to work!

That's very similar to how the rest of the world feels about commuting pilots whining about not getting a free ride to/from base if they choose to live elsewhere than where they are employed.

[BigQ]

Looking forward to the productivity increase from having AI scripts replace menial tasks performed by office seat warmers

[‘Bob’]

I’m not a bleeding heart, I pay way too much fu cking tax to give a shit if someone doesn’t want to drive in to work!

They pay taxes, too. It’s not their fault you chose a non-portable job.

And if you pay more taxes than them, it means you make a lot more. You shouldn’t be whining at all.

[cdnavater]

I’m not a bleeding heart, I pay way too much fu cking tax to give a shit if someone doesn’t want to drive in to work!

That's very similar to how the rest of the world feels about commuting pilots whining about not getting a free ride to/from base if they choose to live elsewhere than where they are employed.

I clearly stated I made my peace with it but just for clarity, IT IS NOT THE SAME THING IDIOT, it doesn’t cost the tax payers a dime whether I do or don’t!

[cdnavater]

I’m not a bleeding heart, I pay way too much fu cking tax to give a shit if someone doesn’t want to drive in to work!

They pay taxes, too. It’s not their fault you chose a non-portable job.

And if you pay more taxes than them, it means you make a lot more. You shouldn’t be whining at all.

Again, if you had any reading comprehension in that tiny brain of yours, if it works out as a breakeven, doesn’t cost the tax payers any more for them to stay home, stay home, I don’t care but if it costs more because we need more people to accomplish the same work, then get back to work