Trump threatens immediate 25% tariffs on Canada

[CpnCrunch]

Looking forward to the productivity increase from having AI scripts replace menial tasks performed by office seat warmers

It really depends what you mean by "AI", and how it is used. The current LLMs are hugely overhyped bullshit machines that can sometimes come up with something useful. It's about 50% bullshit and 50% useful.

Try typing "can you redeem aeroplan points for seat selection?" into google, claude and chatgpt. It's a pretty simple question, but all 3 get it completely wrong (the correct answer is NO, and I verified this because I wasn't entirely sure myself).

The issue is that when there is no definitive answer on the web, they start making shit up.

[BigQ]

Yes the beginner LLMs are still quite rough on the edges, but their potential is there to make millions of sub 85 IQ people unemployable.

[cdnavater]

Looking forward to the productivity increase from having AI scripts replace menial tasks performed by office seat warmers

It really depends what you mean by "AI", and how it is used. The current LLMs are hugely overhyped bullshit machines that can sometimes come up with something useful. It's about 50% bullshit and 50% useful.

Try typing "can you redeem aeroplan points for seat selection?" into google, claude and chatgpt. It's a pretty simple question, but all 3 get it completely wrong (the correct answer is NO, and I verified this because I wasn't entirely sure myself).

The issue is that when there is no definitive answer on the web, they start making shit up.

I truly had no idea how bad ChatGPT was until I I received a message from my brother who put our fathers name and place we grew up, what it spit out borders on defamation, actually complete defamation!
The story it told about my dad, he was associated with a long ago cold case from our home town and new DNA evidence convicted him and he is now spending life in prison. Never happened and to this day there are no arrests made in this case, his name does not come up in any other search, there is one name associated with the case, not even remotely close to his name, the only suspect ever mentioned!
What the @#$! is going on when you put a name and place and this fu cken AI puts out a nice long three paragraphs of complete bullshit which sulleys someone’s name with seemingly complete impunity!

Trumps tariffs are dumb(for oldncold)

[newlygrounded]

Looking forward to the productivity increase from having AI scripts replace menial tasks performed by office seat warmers

1. What has made you such a hateful person?

2. Do you have ANY experience with AI or working in a large company? Many companies have rules against using AI since you have absolutely no control over what happens to the data you feed it. Even stuff like Microsoft Teams usually has the AI features turned off due to company policy.

I don’t see AI replacing anyone for a while, it’s a good tool to make some menial work a bit easier to sift through

[‘Bob’]

Yes the beginner LLMs are still quite rough on the edges, but their potential is there to make millions of sub 85 IQ people unemployable.

Pilots would be the #1 target in that demographic. AI is perfectly suited to the repetitive, boring, and menial tasks that pilots do.

The only reason it’s “prestigious” and pays a lot is because of exclusivity via cost. A truck driver or a prep cook is responsible for more lives in an hour than a pilot is.

[rookiepilot]

Why don't work from home civil servants outsource their job to other countries and pay them a portion of their salary? At least the work would get done properly.

I don’t understand why people who hate the public service never try to find out why things don’t work well, the majority of issues are due to management not the worker bees.

*edit by Sulako to remove dogwhistle racism that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed. Do better or next time is a vacation.*

[newlygrounded]

Why don't work from home civil servants outsource their job to other countries and pay them a portion of their salary? At least the work would get done properly.

I don’t understand why people who hate the public service never try to find out why things don’t work well, the majority of issues are due to management not the worker bees.

You’re absolutely right. Its Management suspended this teacher one month! — for actively , aggressively preying on elementary school children.

One month, then back to work with the same children.

Of course this is the woke swamp that is BC….and the teacher isn’t white, read into that what you may. And I’ll bet the union grieved even a one month suspension.

https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-teache ... h-students

I thought from the context of WFH you'd understand this was about federal/office workers.
Who here or not part of the union is justifying their actions?

[rookiepilot]

I thought from the context of WFH you'd understand this was about federal/office workers.
Who here or not part of the union is justifying their actions?

The point is this: its about all workers. These 2 just popped up and I thought of this thread. I did not start this thread drift to public sector workers, BTW. Its been allowed to continue. Heres my observation Simply said:

What would be an instant firing offence in the private sector is a three day suspension across the public sector. That is my sole point here. IMO the public sector simply isn’t held to anywhere near the standard set in the private sector, and we simply cannot afford that anymore.

Why can’t we hire and fire people for performance alone? But even raising such questions isn’t deemed acceptable. We hold up public sector workers like they are the military or something — selfless servants — sacrificing for the good of Canada. What propaganda crap. Some are I am sure. Many are not I am more sure.



https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-teache ... l-students



A B.C. elementary school teacher has been suspended for three days after repeatedly yelling at and frightening students over a period of about five years.

Benjamin Joseph Freeman has held a teaching certificate since 2012 and the pattern of complaints that led to the suspension began in 2018.

During the 2021-22 school year, Freeman frequently yelled at and spoke disrespectfully to a student, “sometimes while towering over (the student) and slamming his fists repeatedly” into the student’s desk.

The other one. One month.

https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-teache ... h-students

A North Vancouver teacher has been suspended for one month for inappropriate interactions with elementary age students and sharing “sexually suggestive and explicit” social media content with them.


Tariq Mahmood Malik was working as a teacher-librarian in the North Vancouver district during the 2023-24 school year when he had accounts on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and YouTube under the name Viet Paki.


Malik told students about the accounts and many viewed the content. He accepted them as followers and subscribers even though he knew they were elementary students. He exchanged messages with at least four students, including during the summer of 2024.


In June 2024, Malik was in the library with female students in grades six and seven when he encouraged them to log into school computers to watch his videos, which had “sexually suggestive content and inappropriate language.”


Malik “touched students on the shoulders and the back of the neck,” hugged at least three female students, and “sometimes poked their stomachs, including when the student was wearing a crop top.” He often stood close enough to students to make them uncomfortable.

[newlygrounded]

I thought from the context of WFH you'd understand this was about federal/office workers.
Who here or not part of the union is justifying their actions?

The point is this: its about all workers. These 2 just popped up and I thought of this thread. I did not start this thread drift to public sector workers, BTW. Its been allowed to continue. Heres my observation Simply said:

What would be an instant firing offence in the private sector is a three day suspension across the public sector. That is my sole point here. IMO the public sector simply isn’t held to anywhere near the standard set in the private sector, and we simply cannot afford that anymore.

Why can’t we hire and fire people for performance alone? But even raising such questions isn’t deemed acceptable. We hold up public sector workers like they are the military or something — selfless servants — sacrificing for the good of Canada. What propaganda crap. Some are I am sure. Many are not I am more sure.



https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-teache ... l-students



A B.C. elementary school teacher has been suspended for three days after repeatedly yelling at and frightening students over a period of about five years.

Benjamin Joseph Freeman has held a teaching certificate since 2012 and the pattern of complaints that led to the suspension began in 2018.

During the 2021-22 school year, Freeman frequently yelled at and spoke disrespectfully to a student, “sometimes while towering over (the student) and slamming his fists repeatedly” into the student’s desk.

The other one. One month.

https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-teache ... h-students

A North Vancouver teacher has been suspended for one month for inappropriate interactions with elementary age students and sharing “sexually suggestive and explicit” social media content with them.


Tariq Mahmood Malik was working as a teacher-librarian in the North Vancouver district during the 2023-24 school year when he had accounts on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and YouTube under the name Viet Paki.


Malik told students about the accounts and many viewed the content. He accepted them as followers and subscribers even though he knew they were elementary students. He exchanged messages with at least four students, including during the summer of 2024.


In June 2024, Malik was in the library with female students in grades six and seven when he encouraged them to log into school computers to watch his videos, which had “sexually suggestive content and inappropriate language.”


Malik “touched students on the shoulders and the back of the neck,” hugged at least three female students, and “sometimes poked their stomachs, including when the student was wearing a crop top.” He often stood close enough to students to make them uncomfortable.

The point originally was discussing wether the forcing back of office workers into packed buildings made sense financially, or in terms of productivity.

If you want to jump into another topic, that’s OK. The public sector is huge and realistically something like 3.5 different level levels.

It would be silly to compare a teacher to a CRA worker when it comes to something like this because they are hired by different employers and have different unions.

I think regardless of where you work, there should be an investigation. Short of you punching a customer in the face, I think they’re very few circumstances where an immediate firing is justified.

Based off the facts they collected it seems he was investigated, admitted fault, and it being forced to make a lot of changes going forward.

I think the only real difference between a private and public organization is the fact that employees have a union to hold management accountable, since realistically management is always going to have the upper hand.

[BigQ]

Looking forward to the productivity increase from having AI scripts replace menial tasks performed by office seat warmers

1. What has made you such a hateful person?

2. Do you have ANY experience with AI or working in a large company? Many companies have rules against using AI since you have absolutely no control over what happens to the data you feed it. Even stuff like Microsoft Teams usually has the AI features turned off due to company policy.

I don’t see AI replacing anyone for a while, it’s a good tool to make some menial work a bit easier to sift through

Facts don't care about feelings, friend. Most people's jobs are highly threatened by AI and skyrocketing costs of labour. Even us pilots. I've been using GPT since last summer for small tasks in and around home. It is highly dependent on proper phrasing of prompts written by the user.

"Learn to use AI" is the new "Learn to code", which was the "Learn to use the internet" which was the "learn to use technology". Adapt, or fall behind.

[newlygrounded]

Looking forward to the productivity increase from having AI scripts replace menial tasks performed by office seat warmers

1. What has made you such a hateful person?

2. Do you have ANY experience with AI or working in a large company? Many companies have rules against using AI since you have absolutely no control over what happens to the data you feed it. Even stuff like Microsoft Teams usually has the AI features turned off due to company policy.

I don’t see AI replacing anyone for a while, it’s a good tool to make some menial work a bit easier to sift through

Facts don't care about feelings, friend. Most people's jobs are highly threatened by AI and skyrocketing costs of labour. Even us pilots. I've been using GPT since last summer for small tasks in and around home. It is highly dependent on proper phrasing of prompts written by the user.

"Learn to use AI" is the new "Learn to code", which was the "Learn to use the internet" which was the "learn to use technology". Adapt, or fall behind.

Are the facts in thee room with us? I have a lot more experience managing AI in an enterprise environment, along with the costs and concerns.

It's a neat tool right now but ignoring that every single LLM is trained off of stolen data, companies are starting to become aware of the fact they have no ownership or control of what they put into the AI cloud. Our insurance company had SEVERAL questions about our AI policy.

[digits_]

"Learn to use AI" is the new "Learn to code", which was the "Learn to use the internet" which was the "learn to use technology". Adapt, or fall behind.

No it isn't. If you learn to code properly, you'll be guaranteed to get correct solutions. You can be an AI pro, and even then you'll never be guaranteed to get correct information.

It's very similar to the 90's google button 'I feel lucky'.

Is it a neat tool, absolutely. Can it do crazy things we never thought was possible? Yes. Will it ever get to the levels where it's trustworthy enough to replace a human? Not with the current technology. It just doesn't work that way.

It would be akin to saying that since we have faster and stronger planes, if we just keep building better planes we'll be able to fly ever higher and eventually into space. Yet they are fundamentally unsuited for that (wings don't work in space).

The current AI is a solution that people are desperately trying to find a problem for.

[Bingo Fuel]

AI has a long way to go, but it's still early days. Most revolutionary technologies still suck for the first few years after they were released.

Chat GPT was only released to the public in late 2022. Just a bit over two years ago.

It's like coming to a verdict on the personal computer in 1979, 2 years after the release of the Apple II.

Or the internet in 1996, 2 years after the release of Netscape Navigator.

Or smart phones in 2001, 2 years after the release of the Blackberry.

Or social media in 2005, 2 years after MySpace opened.

AI could be a flop, or it could be destined to be revolutionary just like every single one of the things I listed above.

[newlygrounded]

AI has a long way to go, but it's still early days. Most revolutionary technologies still suck for the first few years after they were released.

Chat GPT was only released to the public in late 2022. Just a bit over two years ago.

It's like coming to a verdict on the personal computer in 1979, 2 years after the release of the Apple II.

Or the internet in 1996, 2 years after the release of Netscape Navigator.

Or smart phones in 2001, 2 years after the release of the Blackberry.

Or social media in 2005, 2 years after MySpace opened.

AI could be a flop, or it could be destined to be revolutionary just like every single one of the things I listed above.

Blackberry or Netscape never had a clause that they owned all your text messages and emails that you opened in the program/app

[digits_]

AI has a long way to go, but it's still early days. Most revolutionary technologies still suck for the first few years after they were released.

Chat GPT was only released to the public in late 2022. Just a bit over two years ago.

It's like coming to a verdict on the personal computer in 1979, 2 years after the release of the Apple II.

Or the internet in 1996, 2 years after the release of Netscape Navigator.

Or smart phones in 2001, 2 years after the release of the Blackberry.

Or social media in 2005, 2 years after MySpace opened.

AI could be a flop, or it could be destined to be revolutionary just like every single one of the things I listed above.

All of those initial technologies you mentioned actually did work. They were perhaps a bit cumbersome and not particularly user friendly, but they worked.

The large language models, the current AI, does not. There is not a single task that they can successfully perform autonomous and consistently give acceptable results. It is a toy. There are some tools that build upon AI and use it as an advanced search engine. But thinking that this will threaten jobs at this point is very premature. It would be as similar as saying people would get rid of their pets when tamagotchis were introduced. And people actually did predict that at the time.

That doesn't mean that in the future scientists won't be able to develop real artificial intelligence. I am sure it will happen at some point, but that will have to do very little, if anything, with the current 'AI'.

[goldeneagle]

There are some tools that build upon AI and use it as an advanced search engine. But thinking that this will threaten jobs at this point is very premature.

AI coupled with a camera has already replaced humans on assembly and packaging lines in the QC phases. Just watch a 'How Its Made' episode at a food packaging plant where the conveyors pass a camera, and an arm pops out now and then pushing a defect piece off the conveyor into the bin. Yes, it's a rudimentary, boring, mundane job, but there used to be people in those slots, but they have been replaced by a trained rudimentary AI.

The mistake a lot of folks make, they look at the publicly visible LLM systems, and assume 'That is all there is to AI systems', which is far from the truth. The real industrial deployments are not 'everything to everybody' types of systems, they are trained expert systems that are task specific, and they are getting better all the time.

Another good example, most folks here have likely seen an app you can put on the phone, speak into it in one language, it spits back your sentence in a different language, kind of useful travelling somewhere when you dont speak the local language. To you it may not look like it threatens a job, unless ofc you work as a translator somewhere. Again, another example of a semi large AI sitting in a data center doing the translations on the fly.

Folk that dont think AI is threatening jobs are living like the ostrich with head in the sand. It may not be coming for _your_ job yet, but, _yet_ may well be the operative word.

[oldncold]

THREAD DRIFT though ai ,productivity in federal govt. ( or lack of ) Are interesting topics. They dont have jack to do with the tariff current chaos. Coming soon to a neighbourhood near you. Alum, steel , lumber , autos etc. That may be yur friend across the street that you just watched the hockey game on sat night .Only to hear he is losing his / her job on monday. Lets keep this on point or start a new thread

[digits_]

There are some tools that build upon AI and use it as an advanced search engine. But thinking that this will threaten jobs at this point is very premature.

AI coupled with a camera has already replaced humans on assembly and packaging lines in the QC phases. Just watch a 'How Its Made' episode at a food packaging plant where the conveyors pass a camera, and an arm pops out now and then pushing a defect piece off the conveyor into the bin. Yes, it's a rudimentary, boring, mundane job, but there used to be people in those slots, but they have been replaced by a trained rudimentary AI.

A rudimentary AI, not the LLM AIs that people associate with AI in the media. That there is progress in automation that might threaten some jobs and create others, is not being disputed.

The mistake a lot of folks make, they look at the publicly visible LLM systems, and assume 'That is all there is to AI systems', which is far from the truth. The real industrial deployments are not 'everything to everybody' types of systems, they are trained expert systems that are task specific, and they are getting better all the time.

Expert systems !== LLMs

Another good example, most folks here have likely seen an app you can put on the phone, speak into it in one language, it spits back your sentence in a different language, kind of useful travelling somewhere when you dont speak the local language. To you it may not look like it threatens a job, unless ofc you work as a translator somewhere. Again, another example of a semi large AI sitting in a data center doing the translations on the fly.

Which jobs exactly? Would you trust these systems to translate your resume, your technical manuals, your SOPs? Should governments trust them to translate court proceedings or during NATO meetings? How often did you hire the services of a translator before these apps came into play?

Folk that dont think AI is threatening jobs are living like the ostrich with head in the sand. It may not be coming for _your_ job yet, but, _yet_ may well be the operative word.

Are jobs threatened by technology? Of course, they always have been and always will be. But AI LLMs are fundamentally flawed. They will not magically get significantly better. We'll need a new AI technology to significantly threaten jobs.

I have a colleague at work who's super into AI. Every week he starts of using a new AI tool. He never uses them more than a couple of weeks, because they simply don't have the reliability once you get past the initial 'oh woooow' phase.

Can you give me an example of an AI LLM tool that you trust enough to use in daily life that will save you a significant amount of time, or accomplishes a task for which you used to hire a human?

[oldncold]

Trump , is doing exactly the nazis party playbook from the 1930's its called the dictators playbook

1/Crush your domestic opposition. Proof the the tirade on the doj. Irs , As example.
2/ sell the glory of conquest to domestic and foreign audiences.
3/ military ultimatium to achieve domination with out ever firing a shot.
4/ annexation and invasion.

This is exactly what Adolph Hitler did and annexed the rhineland , austria, Czechoslovakia .

The tarriffs are just a distraction the real prize is annexation of Canada as his legacy project

Our govt is approaching this from a rational intellectual prospective Wrong tactic .Because its dealing with a person that is a caveman. Running around with a club smashing everything he dont like regardless of the damage. Triple our military size and this goes away

Oh one more thing. Hitler was supposed to be late stage syphilis . The way DJT acts and the vile selfpromotion of his bedpost conquests. Make ya wonder if thats another thing in common with Adolph

[Inverted2]

At this point I would welcome annexation. Taxes, crime, food bank use at an all time high. Immigration out of control. People can’t get a family doctor. Carney has the same imbeciles in his cabinet. Nothings going to change here for the better.

[CpnCrunch]

At this point I would welcome annexation. Taxes, crime, food bank use at an all time high. Immigration out of control. People can’t get a family doctor. Carney has the same imbeciles in his cabinet. Nothings going to change here for the better.

Taxes in Canada are similar to other developed countries, including the US. The labour tax wedge is 31.9% in Canada vs 29.9% in the US, but we get health care included.

https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/tax-wedge.html

Canada is reducing immigration from this year.

[‘Bob’]

At this point I would welcome annexation. Taxes, crime, food bank use at an all time high. Immigration out of control. People can’t get a family doctor. Carney has the same imbeciles in his cabinet. Nothings going to change here for the better.

Carney just cut the carbon tax and already conservatives are complaining that he cut the carbon tax.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/d ... ngNewsSerp

I swear.. if the Liberals spoke out against DEI it would be the next cause the Conservatives would pick up.

[JustaCanadian]

At this point I would welcome annexation. Taxes, crime, food bank use at an all time high. Immigration out of control. People can’t get a family doctor. Carney has the same imbeciles in his cabinet. Nothings going to change here for the better.

Taxes in Canada are similar to other developed countries, including the US. The labour tax wedge is 31.9% in Canada vs 29.9% in the US, but we get health care included.

https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/tax-wedge.html

Canada is reducing immigration from this year.

You say taxes are basically the same, but it’s very easy to google a tax calculator if you live in a Canadian province or US state. Punch some numbers in and you end up with an extra 24k in your pocket in Florida vs Ontario. An extra 2k a month in your pocket is substantial, not nearly identical.

Do employers not offer health coverage through work? Would you even pay this out of pocket? Probably not. So the extra 2k is for you, not health insurance. But no, I don’t welcome annexation. I welcome a government who will stop spending on frivolous programs and end the ridiculous amount of taxes we all spend.

Ontario vs Florida, 200k income is where I found the 24ish k difference in taxes.

[5degrees]

At this point I would welcome annexation. Taxes, crime, food bank use at an all time high. Immigration out of control. People can’t get a family doctor. Carney has the same imbeciles in his cabinet. Nothings going to change here for the better.

What a cuck thing to say.

[cdnavater]

At this point I would welcome annexation. Taxes, crime, food bank use at an all time high. Immigration out of control. People can’t get a family doctor. Carney has the same imbeciles in his cabinet. Nothings going to change here for the better.

Carney just cut the carbon tax and already conservatives are complaining that he cut the carbon tax.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/d ... ngNewsSerp

I swear.. if the Liberals spoke out against DEI it would be the next cause the Conservatives would pick up.

Because BOB!, they will do whatever it takes to get another FOUR YEARS! Once that happens, you’ll see very quickly the carbon tax will find its way back into our everyday costs, Carney has said on record that the taxes aren’t high enough or he wants a shadow carbon tax, you think he did a complete 180 and abandoned his beliefs, I sure hope Canadians are not so stupid to fall for it again but I have extremely low expectations for that!