Jets an AME can maintain

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Jets an AME can maintain

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Hi all,

It's winter, and one starts to dream looking at fancy airplane pictures. One group of planes that has always intrigued me are ex military old(er) warbirds, and specifically ex military jets. Some of them are surprisingly cheap to own, but of course expensive to operate.

I've been close a couple of times to purchasing one with a few friends, but our major hurdle was always the maintenance. We can find a local AME interested in working on them, but convincing a busy AME to take time out of his day to go do a typerating course thousands of miles away for a rare airplane type, seems to be a deal breaker.

Which made me wonder: are there any ex military jets (or similar) out there, that could be legally maintained by an M1 or M2 engineer without the need for a formal type course?

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Re: Jets an AME can maintain

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Complicated situation.

CAR 571.11 applies, specifically

(4) Except as provided in subsections (5) and (7), no person shall sign a maintenance release in respect of maintenance performed on a transport category aeroplane or a turbine-powered helicopter, unless the person

(a) has successfully completed a course of maintenance training that has been approved by the Minister and that is applicable to the type of aircraft, engine or system on which the maintenance is performed, in accordance with Appendix M of Standard 571 — Maintenance; or

(b) held a type rating applicable to the type of aircraft, engine or system on which the maintenance is performed, issued by the Minister before August 1, 1999.

(5) The holder of an applicable AME licence may sign a maintenance release in respect of maintenance performed on a transport category aeroplane or a turbine-powered helicopter that consists of any of the types of work set out in Schedule III without having successfully completed the course required by paragraph (4)(a) and without having held the type rating required by paragraph (4)(b).

Schedule III lists a bunch of tasks, similar to the concept behind elementary work, only slightly more complicated. This might be the element used for most of the maintenance requirements for such aircraft if it is assessed as a transport category. It wouldn’t get you an annual inspection though.

Is the jet in question a transport category aircraft?

transport category aircraft means an aeroplane certified pursuant to Chapter 525 of the Airworthiness Manual or an equivalent foreign airworthiness standard, or a helicopter certified pursuant to Chapter 529 of the Airworthiness Manual or an equivalent foreign airworthiness standard; (aéronef de catégorie transport)

What’s the applicable regulations around flying one with a Canadian registration? Do you need any kind of type training? Do they fly as a special airworthiness category, similar to experimental? Where does one even get the requisite maintenance manuals as the source of standards to do and certify the work performed?
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Re: Jets an AME can maintain

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nine sixteenths wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 11:32 pm
Is the jet in question a transport category aircraft?

transport category aircraft means an aeroplane certified pursuant to Chapter 525 of the Airworthiness Manual or an equivalent foreign airworthiness standard, or a helicopter certified pursuant to Chapter 529 of the Airworthiness Manual or an equivalent foreign airworthiness standard; (aéronef de catégorie transport)

What’s the applicable regulations around flying one with a Canadian registration? Do you need any kind of type training? Do they fly as a special airworthiness category, similar to experimental? Where does one even get the requisite maintenance manuals as the source of standards to do and certify the work performed?
Thank you for your reply.

I'm talking about jets such as L29 or L39. Those sizes. I don't think they classify as transport category aircraft. As a pilot you do need a type rating to fly them. They do have a special CofA yes. Not sure where the maintenance manuals come from.
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