Cost of Commuting

[pelmet]

Concur wholeheartedly with the sentiments. So what to do about it? Who do you convince? The airports love their AIFs. It's how they can afford jade Haida war canoe sculptures in YVR (yet run out de ice fluid in winter) or an international departures area in YYC big enough to house a small blimp. What is the heating cost on that?
I think Handover has it. We are the product. Only way to solve it may be to vote with your feet and find another career. Does the government care? I doubt it? Could they be made to care? Only with support of airlines I suspect. Beancounters who run airlines? Nope. They just care that you show up and how you do it is your problem. So much for help from them.
Perhaps when more airplanes get parked, then the beancounter may sit up and pay attention. I note Encore seems to be at about half strength from my unofficial poll when I go up front to say hello when commuting. Jazz is the same. I look at reduced frequency on Jazz as an indicator.
How did the Yanks do it? I don't know. I would like ALPA to actually make a fuss for the extra 0.5% I am giving them now (WG to WS rates for union dues were 1.35% at WG and now 1.85% at WS).
Does ALPA care? They care about that 1.85%. After that?
Great sentiment. How will this get to reality?
Only a shortage affecting profits will make them (beancounters) sit up and pay attention.

Nope.

Just follow the US model.

Free reciprocal J/S. Can’t duplicate that in Canada? Pilots have put cost-free POS travel in their CBA (own airline) plus company paid hotel stays for commuters.

Don’t bother negotiating with airports and the Feds. Negotiate with the employer.

I thought you had that. I remember reciprocal JS at an airline I worked at. I would get the captain of the AC flight to fill out a coupon from a booklet that he carried around which gave me a seat as long as there was a jump seat or two available in the cockpit. They called it a jumpseat ticket but I would sit in the back(security reasons for a non-employee) and relax, sometimes even in business class. It was pretty cool because I was the lowest priority standby and always called last after tickets had been given out to all the other standby's who were given the remaining economy class seats. Frequently, economy would fill up and they would now have only business class seats left. Good fun on a lie flat seat and a good meal. I think the AC employees wised up to things after a few years as all of a sudden, the business class stuff stopped. But it sure was fun for a while.

The booking part did change as well to just having to pick up the phone and call AC reservations for a free ride wherever you wanted without having to bug the captain. I did a massive amount of free flying at the time, commuting and for vacations or just a quick fun visit somewhere. I think the airlines may have added fees since then but don't they still have that reciprocal JS?

[cdnavater]

Concur wholeheartedly with the sentiments. So what to do about it? Who do you convince? The airports love their AIFs. It's how they can afford jade Haida war canoe sculptures in YVR (yet run out de ice fluid in winter) or an international departures area in YYC big enough to house a small blimp. What is the heating cost on that?
I think Handover has it. We are the product. Only way to solve it may be to vote with your feet and find another career. Does the government care? I doubt it? Could they be made to care? Only with support of airlines I suspect. Beancounters who run airlines? Nope. They just care that you show up and how you do it is your problem. So much for help from them.
Perhaps when more airplanes get parked, then the beancounter may sit up and pay attention. I note Encore seems to be at about half strength from my unofficial poll when I go up front to say hello when commuting. Jazz is the same. I look at reduced frequency on Jazz as an indicator.
How did the Yanks do it? I don't know. I would like ALPA to actually make a fuss for the extra 0.5% I am giving them now (WG to WS rates for union dues were 1.35% at WG and now 1.85% at WS).
Does ALPA care? They care about that 1.85%. After that?
Great sentiment. How will this get to reality?
Only a shortage affecting profits will make them (beancounters) sit up and pay attention.

Nope.

Just follow the US model.

Free reciprocal J/S. Can’t duplicate that in Canada? Pilots have put cost-free POS travel in their CBA (own airline) plus company paid hotel stays for commuters.

Don’t bother negotiating with airports and the Feds. Negotiate with the employer.

I thought you had that. I remember reciprocal JS at an airline I worked at. I would get the captain of the AC flight to fill out a coupon from a booklet that he carried around which gave me a seat as long as there was a jump seat or two available in the cockpit. They called it a jumpseat ticket but I would sit in the back(security reasons for a non-employee) and relax, sometimes even in business class. It was pretty cool because I was the lowest priority standby and always called last after tickets had been given out to all the other standby's who were given the remaining economy class seats. Frequently, economy would fill up and they would now have only business class seats left. Good fun on a lie flat seat and a good meal. I think the AC employees wised up to things after a few years as all of a sudden, the business class stuff stopped. But it sure was fun for a while.

The booking part did change as well to just having to pick up the phone and call AC reservations for a free ride wherever you wanted without having to bug the captain. I did a massive amount of free flying at the time, commuting and for vacations or just a quick fun visit somewhere. I think the airlines may have added fees since then but don't they still have that reciprocal JS?

That ended quite a while ago, the paper coupon thing is long gone, reciprocal has been on myid travel for a few years now and all carriers charge a nominal fee that triggers the fees and taxes.
The last of it changed when AC was not charging WJ pilots for recip but WJ was charging AC pilots, so after a while instead of WJ removing the charges, AC instated them.
I’m sure it involved some complaints, I heard plenty of pilots complaining, myself included, on how we paid more to travel on our(AC and Jazz) than reciprocal pilots did.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Nope.

Just follow the US model.

Free reciprocal J/S. Can’t duplicate that in Canada? Pilots have put cost-free POS travel in their CBA (own airline) plus company paid hotel stays for commuters.

Don’t bother negotiating with airports and the Feds. Negotiate with the employer.

I thought you had that. I remember reciprocal JS at an airline I worked at. I would get the captain of the AC flight to fill out a coupon from a booklet that he carried around which gave me a seat as long as there was a jump seat or two available in the cockpit. They called it a jumpseat ticket but I would sit in the back(security reasons for a non-employee) and relax, sometimes even in business class. It was pretty cool because I was the lowest priority standby and always called last after tickets had been given out to all the other standby's who were given the remaining economy class seats. Frequently, economy would fill up and they would now have only business class seats left. Good fun on a lie flat seat and a good meal. I think the AC employees wised up to things after a few years as all of a sudden, the business class stuff stopped. But it sure was fun for a while.

The booking part did change as well to just having to pick up the phone and call AC reservations for a free ride wherever you wanted without having to bug the captain. I did a massive amount of free flying at the time, commuting and for vacations or just a quick fun visit somewhere. I think the airlines may have added fees since then but don't they still have that reciprocal JS?

That ended quite a while ago, the paper coupon thing is long gone, reciprocal has been on myid travel for a few years now and all carriers charge a nominal fee that triggers the fees and taxes.
The last of it changed when AC was not charging WJ pilots for recip but WJ was charging AC pilots, so after a while instead of WJ removing the charges, AC instated them.
I’m sure it involved some complaints, I heard plenty of pilots complaining, myself included, on how we paid more to travel on our(AC and Jazz) than reciprocal pilots did.

There are no airline fees when travelling on RJP using myidtravel as of today: it’s all airport fees, plus a 1.93$ that goes to Lufthansa group.

[cdnavater]

I thought you had that. I remember reciprocal JS at an airline I worked at. I would get the captain of the AC flight to fill out a coupon from a booklet that he carried around which gave me a seat as long as there was a jump seat or two available in the cockpit. They called it a jumpseat ticket but I would sit in the back(security reasons for a non-employee) and relax, sometimes even in business class. It was pretty cool because I was the lowest priority standby and always called last after tickets had been given out to all the other standby's who were given the remaining economy class seats. Frequently, economy would fill up and they would now have only business class seats left. Good fun on a lie flat seat and a good meal. I think the AC employees wised up to things after a few years as all of a sudden, the business class stuff stopped. But it sure was fun for a while.

The booking part did change as well to just having to pick up the phone and call AC reservations for a free ride wherever you wanted without having to bug the captain. I did a massive amount of free flying at the time, commuting and for vacations or just a quick fun visit somewhere. I think the airlines may have added fees since then but don't they still have that reciprocal JS?

That ended quite a while ago, the paper coupon thing is long gone, reciprocal has been on myid travel for a few years now and all carriers charge a nominal fee that triggers the fees and taxes.
The last of it changed when AC was not charging WJ pilots for recip but WJ was charging AC pilots, so after a while instead of WJ removing the charges, AC instated them.
I’m sure it involved some complaints, I heard plenty of pilots complaining, myself included, on how we paid more to travel on our(AC and Jazz) than reciprocal pilots did.

There are no airline fees when travelling on RJP using myidtravel as of today: it’s all airport fees, plus a 1.93$ that goes to Lufthansa group.

True, there used to be a 2.50 carrier charge but either way the 1.93 fee seems to trigger it or it’s just that the airlines are having to collect it, it’s ridiculous though, they don’t pay the AIFs etc for DH legs. Make are commute a positive space and no fees, simple but the airlines in Canada would prefer we don’t commute unless they call you at your home to rescue a flight that might cancel, then they like it, for a minute!

[Flight94]

My company pays an additional $2k/mo for pilots that live further than 150km from their base.

[cdnavater]

My company pays an additional $2k/mo for pilots that live further than 150km from their base.

Can you tell us what type of company this is, while I like the idea, I can’t see any airline doing this.
A posi space commute is likely the best we could ever hope to achieve

[digits_]

My company pays an additional $2k/mo for pilots that live further than 150km from their base.

Does that mean all pilots suddenly 'moved' to a po box address 151 km away?

[pelmet]

The last of it changed when AC was not charging WJ pilots for recip but WJ was charging AC pilots, so after a while instead of WJ removing the charges, AC instated them.
I’m sure it involved some complaints, I heard plenty of pilots complaining, myself included, on how we paid more to travel on our(AC and Jazz) than reciprocal pilots did.

People always whine when someone else gets something better. Look at me. I was always the last one called on the standby list. Every friend of a friend of a friend of some AC employee ahead of me and bumping me off a flight. Then they discover that I have been cruising across the country in business class sometimes(being careful not to let the poor pax that paid 5 grand beside know how much I paid) and then they whine to get the rules. Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

[cdnavater]

The last of it changed when AC was not charging WJ pilots for recip but WJ was charging AC pilots, so after a while instead of WJ removing the charges, AC instated them.
I’m sure it involved some complaints, I heard plenty of pilots complaining, myself included, on how we paid more to travel on our(AC and Jazz) than reciprocal pilots did.

People always whine when someone else gets something better. Look at me. I was always the last one called on the standby list. Every friend of a friend of a friend of some AC employee ahead of me and bumping me off a flight. Then they discover that I have been cruising across the country in business class sometimes(being careful not to let the poor pax that paid 5 grand beside know how much I paid) and then they whine to get the rules. Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

Something better! So, AC pilots paying to fly on their metal while WJ pilots ride for FREE, yet WJ charged AC pilots to ride on their metal, yah that was going to last!
You think AC pilots should have just sucked that up for the greater good, how altruistic, it was completely one sided and should have been reciprocated, you know reciprocal jumpseat, it’s in the name!
As for your prioritiy on the standby list, I’m not sure I understand your point, you say you were last but you still got a business class seat, something doesn’t add up?
I can’t remember the last time I got a business seat on standby, everyone seems to have an upgrade on their aeroplane card these days, so even though there are plenty of seats up front, by the boarding they are full and middle in the back is the likely outcome!

[pelmet]

The last of it changed when AC was not charging WJ pilots for recip but WJ was charging AC pilots, so after a while instead of WJ removing the charges, AC instated them.
I’m sure it involved some complaints, I heard plenty of pilots complaining, myself included, on how we paid more to travel on our(AC and Jazz) than reciprocal pilots did.

People always whine when someone else gets something better. Look at me. I was always the last one called on the standby list. Every friend of a friend of a friend of some AC employee ahead of me and bumping me off a flight. Then they discover that I have been cruising across the country in business class sometimes(being careful not to let the poor pax that paid 5 grand beside know how much I paid) and then they whine to get the rules. Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

Something better! So, AC pilots paying to fly on their metal while WJ pilots ride for FREE, yet WJ charged AC pilots to ride on their metal, yah that was going to last!
You think AC pilots should have just sucked that up for the greater good, how altruistic, it was completely one sided and should have been reciprocated, you know reciprocal jumpseat, it’s in the name!
As for your prioritiy on the standby list, I’m not sure I understand your point, you say you were last but you still got a business class seat, something doesn’t add up?
I can’t remember the last time I got a business seat on standby, everyone seems to have an upgrade on their aeroplane card these days, so even though there are plenty of seats up front, by the boarding they are full and middle in the back is the likely outcome!

I think things have changed in the last decade or so with all these upgrade options and bidding for business class seats. Back in the day when I was sometimes(maybe 10% of the time) getting the business class seat, it was when the flight had nearly full seats and just the right amount of standby's. An example could be a flight with all paying pax boarded and 7 seats open in the back and 4 open in business. There might be 8 standby's with me as the lowest priority. The agents would be doing their typing stuff on the computer and then call the names of the standby passengers in order of priority(I was almost inevitably the lowest priority at D2). The standby's would be called in order of priority and they would walk up and get their ticket which would be just getting printed. The 7 seats in economy would be filled and now the back was full. Then as the last person in the departure lounge, I get called and the only available seats were in business. I think the AC employees caught on and were not happy with someone like me(and others) getting a great deal, whined(why not just be happy for the other person instead of demanding that they have to have it as bad as you), and eventually things changed as the business class seats stopped happening. Was great situation for red-eye commuting while it lasted.

Like you said, it appears that things are different now. I don't do any more standby flying(but plenty of Aeroplan). Several people have told me that it is not worth trying Zed tickets anymore for important flights as as getting bumped is more likely these days. The really nice thing about zed tickets that I miss is the incredible flexibility for last minute flying and less restrictions on which flights you have to take(flight pairs are not married for Zed's allowing long layovers in an enroute city).

[cdnavater]

People always whine when someone else gets something better. Look at me. I was always the last one called on the standby list. Every friend of a friend of a friend of some AC employee ahead of me and bumping me off a flight. Then they discover that I have been cruising across the country in business class sometimes(being careful not to let the poor pax that paid 5 grand beside know how much I paid) and then they whine to get the rules. Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

Something better! So, AC pilots paying to fly on their metal while WJ pilots ride for FREE, yet WJ charged AC pilots to ride on their metal, yah that was going to last!
You think AC pilots should have just sucked that up for the greater good, how altruistic, it was completely one sided and should have been reciprocated, you know reciprocal jumpseat, it’s in the name!
As for your prioritiy on the standby list, I’m not sure I understand your point, you say you were last but you still got a business class seat, something doesn’t add up?
I can’t remember the last time I got a business seat on standby, everyone seems to have an upgrade on their aeroplane card these days, so even though there are plenty of seats up front, by the boarding they are full and middle in the back is the likely outcome!

I think things have changed in the last decade or so with all these upgrade options and bidding for business class seats. Back in the day when I was sometimes(maybe 10% of the time) getting the business class seat, it was when the flight had nearly full seats and just the right amount of standby's. An example could be a flight with all paying pax boarded and 7 seats open in the back and 4 open in business. There might be 8 standby's with me as the lowest priority. The agents would be doing their typing stuff on the computer and then call the names of the standby passengers in order of priority(I was almost inevitably the lowest priority at D2). The standby's would be called in order of priority and they would walk up and get their ticket which would be just getting printed. The 7 seats in economy would be filled and now the back was full. Then as the last person in the departure lounge, I get called and the only available seats were in business. I think the AC employees caught on and were not happy with someone like me(and others) getting a great deal, whined(why not just be happy for the other person instead of demanding that they have to have it as bad as you), and eventually things changed as the business class seats stopped happening. Was great situation for red-eye commuting while it lasted.

Like you said, it appears that things are different now. I don't do any more standby flying(but plenty of Aeroplan). Several people have told me that it is not worth trying Zed tickets anymore for important flights as as getting bumped is more likely these days. The really nice thing about zed tickets that I miss is the incredible flexibility for last minute flying and less restrictions on which flights you have to take(flight pairs are not married for Zed's allowing long layovers in an enroute city).

Things have changed! However the main reason as I understand it was agents were bumping people out of seniority to get the buddy on the flight or upgrade their buddy, etc.
The system now takes the standby list and boards them in order of seniority, including if the back will be full the most senior will get the J seat first, then any aisle seats, window and middle assigned. They can override seat assignments but not priority, in your situation, it shouldn’t have happened that way, should have been the most senior in J, then fill the back. It could have been a situation where they weren’t sure you would get on because J was full but at the last minute a J pax didn’t show and rather then go on and move the most senior up, they took the lazy route and boarded you, I’ve definitely seen that.
I should add, the app shows your priority for the front and when it’s full it’s transparent, if an agent overrides your priority for the front, they will get a visit from a manager.

[pelmet]

Something better! So, AC pilots paying to fly on their metal while WJ pilots ride for FREE, yet WJ charged AC pilots to ride on their metal, yah that was going to last!
You think AC pilots should have just sucked that up for the greater good, how altruistic, it was completely one sided and should have been reciprocated, you know reciprocal jumpseat, it’s in the name!
As for your prioritiy on the standby list, I’m not sure I understand your point, you say you were last but you still got a business class seat, something doesn’t add up?
I can’t remember the last time I got a business seat on standby, everyone seems to have an upgrade on their aeroplane card these days, so even though there are plenty of seats up front, by the boarding they are full and middle in the back is the likely outcome!

I think things have changed in the last decade or so with all these upgrade options and bidding for business class seats. Back in the day when I was sometimes(maybe 10% of the time) getting the business class seat, it was when the flight had nearly full seats and just the right amount of standby's. An example could be a flight with all paying pax boarded and 7 seats open in the back and 4 open in business. There might be 8 standby's with me as the lowest priority. The agents would be doing their typing stuff on the computer and then call the names of the standby passengers in order of priority(I was almost inevitably the lowest priority at D2). The standby's would be called in order of priority and they would walk up and get their ticket which would be just getting printed. The 7 seats in economy would be filled and now the back was full. Then as the last person in the departure lounge, I get called and the only available seats were in business. I think the AC employees caught on and were not happy with someone like me(and others) getting a great deal, whined(why not just be happy for the other person instead of demanding that they have to have it as bad as you), and eventually things changed as the business class seats stopped happening. Was great situation for red-eye commuting while it lasted.

Like you said, it appears that things are different now. I don't do any more standby flying(but plenty of Aeroplan). Several people have told me that it is not worth trying Zed tickets anymore for important flights as as getting bumped is more likely these days. The really nice thing about zed tickets that I miss is the incredible flexibility for last minute flying and less restrictions on which flights you have to take(flight pairs are not married for Zed's allowing long layovers in an enroute city).

Things have changed! However the main reason as I understand it was agents were bumping people out of seniority to get the buddy on the flight or upgrade their buddy, etc.
The system now takes the standby list and boards them in order of seniority, including if the back will be full the most senior will get the J seat first, then any aisle seats, window and middle assigned. They can override seat assignments but not priority, in your situation, it shouldn’t have happened that way, should have been the most senior in J, then fill the back. It could have been a situation where they weren’t sure you would get on because J was full but at the last minute a J pax didn’t show and rather then go on and move the most senior up, they took the lazy route and boarded you, I’ve definitely seen that.
I should add, the app shows your priority for the front and when it’s full it’s transparent, if an agent overrides your priority for the front, they will get a visit from a manager.

In the good old days of paper zed tickets, I would just have a bunch of city pairs paid for and carry them with me. If I was booked YUL -YYC but the flight was full, they would accept that YUL-YYC paper ticket on YYZ-YYC or YUL-YEG. The ticket was good for 6 months and I would just get refunds on unused ones. Or Canadian Airlines would honour an AC Zed ticket and vice versa. So if AC was full, just walk over to Canadian. Then they started getting picky and demanding exact routings. Probably somebody complained about something. Back before 9/11, any airline let you ride in the cockpit. Was fun for a while but after a while, it is nice to have a good seat instead of a jumpseat.

[Flight94]

My company pays an additional $2k/mo for pilots that live further than 150km from their base.

Can you tell us what type of company this is, while I like the idea, I can’t see any airline doing this.
A posi space commute is likely the best we could ever hope to achieve

Canadian North. I should have worded that better, they reimburse commuters up to 2k/mo. I'm not a commuter, so I don't know the details in terms of receipts or whatever is required to receive that 2k.

[Flight94]

My company pays an additional $2k/mo for pilots that live further than 150km from their base.

Does that mean all pilots suddenly 'moved' to a po box address 151 km away?

No, small company, word travels fast. I'm not aware of anyone trying to milk the system.

[FishermanIvan]

My company pays an additional $2k/mo for pilots that live further than 150km from their base.

Can you tell us what type of company this is, while I like the idea, I can’t see any airline doing this.
A posi space commute is likely the best we could ever hope to achieve

Canadian North. I should have worded that better, they reimburse commuters up to 2k/mo. I'm not a commuter, so I don't know the details in terms of receipts or whatever is required to receive that 2k.

I just book my tickets from home to Ottawa on Air Canada, they're usually under the $500 each way policy. They cover the hotel in Ottawa regardless. I rarely use the full $2000 but it's nice to know it's there.

Great gesture from the company, considering that over 50% of our Iqaluit Captains live out west.

[pilotidentity]

Don’t forget to add the mental and physical health costs of commuting to your calculations.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Don’t forget to add the mental and physical health costs of commuting to your calculations.

Much much lower cost than having to put up with life in Toronto

[cdnavater]

Don’t forget to add the mental and physical health costs of commuting to your calculations.

Much much lower cost than having to put up with life in Toronto

Absolutely, I have a much better lifestyle where I commute from, I can afford many summer toys because I’m not house poor!
My crash pad in Toronto is literally beside the airport and the house although well maintained is very old but yet would still sell for more than my waterfront acreage, walking to my docks to go for an evening boat ride is well worth the commute.
The fact is, even at Captain salary I would still end up living two or more hours away from the airport and would still bid multi day pairings to avoid the drive as much as possible. So, I would still be a commuter but not living where I want to.
I’ll admit, there are times where I have to convince myself to get on a plane to get to work but it would be the same as if I was staring down a 3 hour drive to the airport.
Considered Calgary but given the ever shrinking base, glad I didn’t, imagine having 20 years and only 7 below you and every pairing starts and ends with a DH.
If you want to work for the airlines but don’t want to live at the most expensive cities in Canada, commuting is far better for your mental health, not really sure why physical health was mentioned

[twa22]

Don’t forget to add the mental and physical health costs of commuting to your calculations.

Much much lower cost than having to put up with life in Toronto

If you want to work for the airlines but don’t want to live at the most expensive cities in Canada, commuting is far better for your mental health, not really sure why physical health was mentioned

Really? You're not aware that radiation exposure at altitude is much greater? We sit in airplanes for a living exposing ourselves to more radiation then majority of the worlds population, and then you throw in extra commuting by plane which adds on top to our regular exposure during work. I'd say that implies an added risk to your physical health

https://letstalkscience.ca/educational- ... d-aviation

[CaptDukeNukem]

Much much lower cost than having to put up with life in Toronto

If you want to work for the airlines but don’t want to live at the most expensive cities in Canada, commuting is far better for your mental health, not really sure why physical health was mentioned

Really? You're not aware that radiation exposure at altitude is much greater? We sit in airplanes for a living exposing ourselves to more radiation then majority of the worlds population, and then you throw in extra commuting by plane which adds on top to our regular exposure during work. I'd say that implies an added risk to your physical health

https://letstalkscience.ca/educational- ... d-aviation

Sunscreen

[twa22]

If you want to work for the airlines but don’t want to live at the most expensive cities in Canada, commuting is far better for your mental health, not really sure why physical health was mentioned

Really? You're not aware that radiation exposure at altitude is much greater? We sit in airplanes for a living exposing ourselves to more radiation then majority of the worlds population, and then you throw in extra commuting by plane which adds on top to our regular exposure during work. I'd say that implies an added risk to your physical health

https://letstalkscience.ca/educational- ... d-aviation

Sunscreen

Haha, I'm sure you're trolling, but if you're not, you know radiation isn't just skin related, right?

[cdnavater]

Much much lower cost than having to put up with life in Toronto

If you want to work for the airlines but don’t want to live at the most expensive cities in Canada, commuting is far better for your mental health, not really sure why physical health was mentioned

Really? You're not aware that radiation exposure at altitude is much greater? We sit in airplanes for a living exposing ourselves to more radiation then majority of the worlds population, and then you throw in extra commuting by plane which adds on top to our regular exposure during work. I'd say that implies an added risk to your physical health

https://letstalkscience.ca/educational- ... d-aviation

Sure, I am aware and I wasn’t sure what the poster was getting at health wise, in the grand scheme of things I don’t worry about that given what I do for a living.

[twa22]

If you want to work for the airlines but don’t want to live at the most expensive cities in Canada, commuting is far better for your mental health, not really sure why physical health was mentioned

Really? You're not aware that radiation exposure at altitude is much greater? We sit in airplanes for a living exposing ourselves to more radiation then majority of the worlds population, and then you throw in extra commuting by plane which adds on top to our regular exposure during work. I'd say that implies an added risk to your physical health

https://letstalkscience.ca/educational- ... d-aviation

Sure, I am aware and I wasn’t sure what the poster was getting at health wise, in the grand scheme of things I don’t worry about that given what I do for a living.

What do you mean you don't understand what the poster was getting at? It's pretty obvious... Sitting in a car or a plane commuting has added health implications which affects physical health. We already expose ourselves to more radiation then the norm, and not to mention dry ary, that has adverse health effects, so why expose yourself to it even more, by sitting in a plane or a car for hours on end, where as if you don't commute, that extra time can be spent say I don't know, excercisng? Or even if you don't exercise, you're exposing yourself less to radiation, in the case of commuting by plane.

That's what commuting has on physical health, pretty obvious I'd say.

I understand some commute by choice, or because they can't afford to live in a city like Toronto, but let's not pretend that commuting doesn't have adverse health implications, both mentally and physically...

The fact that what you do for living has health implications should make you MORE concerned about your health, not less

[cdnavater]

Really? You're not aware that radiation exposure at altitude is much greater? We sit in airplanes for a living exposing ourselves to more radiation then majority of the worlds population, and then you throw in extra commuting by plane which adds on top to our regular exposure during work. I'd say that implies an added risk to your physical health

https://letstalkscience.ca/educational- ... d-aviation

Sure, I am aware and I wasn’t sure what the poster was getting at health wise, in the grand scheme of things I don’t worry about that given what I do for a living.

What do you mean you don't understand what the poster was getting at? It's pretty obvious... Sitting in a car or a plane commuting has added health implications which affects physical health. We already expose ourselves to more radiation then the norm, and not to mention dry ary, that has adverse health effects, so why expose yourself to it even more, by sitting in a plane or a car for hours on end, where as if you don't commute, that extra time can be spent say I don't know, excercisng? Or even if you don't exercise, you're exposing yourself less to radiation, in the case of commuting by plane.

That's what commuting has on physical health, pretty obvious I'd say.

I understand some commute by choice, or because they can't afford to live in a city like Toronto, but let's not pretend that commuting doesn't have adverse health implications, both mentally and physically...

The fact that what you do for living has health implications should make you MORE concerned about your health, not less

Look, the poster wasn’t specific about the health concerns, ok!
He could have been referring to the stress of the commute but in case you weren’t aware, everything you do has health implications.
What is the smog on a daily basis living in big cities versus the slight increase in radiation exposure, do you know the answer to that, I know I don’t but I have to imagine smog is hard on your health. Sitting in Toronto traffic inhaling all the rush hour fumes can’t be good for you either and yes, the stress of living here and your house poor has adverse health implications, I don’t worry about a couple of extra short hops per month in the GRAND SCHEME of things but by all means you go ahead.

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Sure, I am aware and I wasn’t sure what the poster was getting at health wise, in the grand scheme of things I don’t worry about that given what I do for a living.

What do you mean you don't understand what the poster was getting at? It's pretty obvious... Sitting in a car or a plane commuting has added health implications which affects physical health. We already expose ourselves to more radiation then the norm, and not to mention dry ary, that has adverse health effects, so why expose yourself to it even more, by sitting in a plane or a car for hours on end, where as if you don't commute, that extra time can be spent say I don't know, excercisng? Or even if you don't exercise, you're exposing yourself less to radiation, in the case of commuting by plane.

That's what commuting has on physical health, pretty obvious I'd say.

I understand some commute by choice, or because they can't afford to live in a city like Toronto, but let's not pretend that commuting doesn't have adverse health implications, both mentally and physically...

The fact that what you do for living has health implications should make you MORE concerned about your health, not less

Look, the poster wasn’t specific about the health concerns, ok!
He could have been referring to the stress of the commute but in case you weren’t aware, everything you do has health implications.
What is the smog on a daily basis living in big cities versus the slight increase in radiation exposure, do you know the answer to that, I know I don’t but I have to imagine smog is hard on your health. Sitting in Toronto traffic inhaling all the rush hour fumes can’t be good for you either and yes, the stress of living here and your house poor has adverse health implications, I don’t worry about a couple of extra short hops per month in the GRAND SCHEME of things but by all means you go ahead.

Alright, enjoy your commute!