Emirates or Air Canada

[daedalusx]

Curious as an outsider, has anyone flown for CX out of HK (I love HK as a visitor), is it different?

There is a book called "the 49ers The true story" that details the decline of the pilot job at Cathay. From being the golden standard throughout the world to a place you only goto if you have no other choice essentially.

I remember chatting with a Canadian 747 CA at CX at a Qatar roadshow about 15 years ago. Things were already pretty bad back then and now they’re much much worse.

[Zhangxs]

If you are the new first officer of Air Canada, the Emirates is a good choice for you in the next 5 or 10 years. However, if you are a senior captain, consider it carefully.

[tupues]

If you are the new first officer of Air Canada, the Emirates is a good choice for you in the next 5 or 10 years. However, if you are a senior captain, consider it carefully.

Even as a new first officer I’d strongly analyze the risks and benefits of such an endeavor. Keep in mind that you’re the first to go (and go I mean be fired) if the shit hits the fan. The locals will never leave.

[Dias]

The shit is already hitting the fan here though. You are much more likely to be laid off from AC than Emirates. Or would you guys rather hold out and hope you get a chance at joining a US airline?

[Hangry]

The shit is already hitting the fan here though. You are much more likely to be laid off from AC than Emirates. Or would you guys rather hold out and hope you get a chance at joining a US airline?

Remember kids. People can post whatever they want online whether or not it’s based in reality. Take all info on this site with the largest grain of salt.

One thing is for certain. At least at AC there are rights and procedures for said impending layoff. You won’t be let go simply because you’re an expat.

[30westpirate]

If you are the new first officer of Air Canada, the Emirates is a good choice for you in the next 5 or 10 years. However, if you are a senior captain, consider it carefully.

Even as a new first officer I’d strongly analyze the risks and benefits of such an endeavor. Keep in mind that you’re the first to go (and go I mean be fired) if the shit hits the fan. The locals will never leave.

The sooner you can avoid the high taxation in Canada the better off you’ll be. This country is designed to keep the working man poor. It becomes a lot harder to leave for the ME when you’re in your 40s and 50s.

[LongBranch]

If you are the new first officer of Air Canada, the Emirates is a good choice for you in the next 5 or 10 years. However, if you are a senior captain, consider it carefully.

Even as a new first officer I’d strongly analyze the risks and benefits of such an endeavor. Keep in mind that you’re the first to go (and go I mean be fired) if the shit hits the fan. The locals will never leave.

The sooner you can avoid the high taxation in Canada the better off you’ll be. This country is designed to keep the working man poor. It becomes a lot harder to leave for the ME when you’re in your 40s and 50s.

While I for one hate being dinged almost half my pay check, but dude get come on the "working man". Even with the new contract at AC starting wage is roughly 80k a year, that is better than 75 percent of Canadian income earners. Even a 5 year narrow body 220 FO makes more than almost 90% of the average tax payer. Is there argument that all Canadians should be paid more for sure including us, but the "working man" we are not.

[FelixGustof]

Even as a new first officer I’d strongly analyze the risks and benefits of such an endeavor. Keep in mind that you’re the first to go (and go I mean be fired) if the shit hits the fan. The locals will never leave.

The sooner you can avoid the high taxation in Canada the better off you’ll be. This country is designed to keep the working man poor. It becomes a lot harder to leave for the ME when you’re in your 40s and 50s.

While I for one hate being dinged almost half my pay check, but dude get come on the "working man". Even with the new contract at AC starting wage is roughly 80k a year, that is better than 75 percent of Canadian income earners. Even a 5 year narrow body 220 FO makes more than almost 90% of the average tax payer. Is there argument that all Canadians should be paid more for sure including us, but the "working man" we are not.

So pilots aren't "working man"?

Are dentists, lawyers, doctors, engineers?

Should they be happy making $80k because that puts them at 75 percent of wage earners (McDonald/Subway workers, bus drivers, parking ticket officers, administrators, etc)

[737Drver]

Air Canada pilots seem obsessed with rationalizing legacy airline worst pay.

Comparing themselves to garbage men, fast food workers, etc to justify bad starting pay and terrible productivity.

[Flyboy736]

Even as a new first officer I’d strongly analyze the risks and benefits of such an endeavor. Keep in mind that you’re the first to go (and go I mean be fired) if the shit hits the fan. The locals will never leave.

The sooner you can avoid the high taxation in Canada the better off you’ll be. This country is designed to keep the working man poor. It becomes a lot harder to leave for the ME when you’re in your 40s and 50s.

While I for one hate being dinged almost half my pay check, but dude get come on the "working man". Even with the new contract at AC starting wage is roughly 80k a year, that is better than 75 percent of Canadian income earners. Even a 5 year narrow body 220 FO makes more than almost 90% of the average tax payer. Is there argument that all Canadians should be paid more for sure including us, but the "working man" we are not.

Last time I checked I didn't have the privilege to work at AC right out of highschool with zero education.

Next time my doctor complains about 1% annual wages I'll be sure to remind him he in the top 10% and should stfu /s

[tupues]

The shit is already hitting the fan here though. You are much more likely to be laid off from AC than Emirates. Or would you guys rather hold out and hope you get a chance at joining a US airline?

I've rarely heard a more undeducated thing than this.

There is no such thing as a layoff in the Middle East. In the Middle East you get fired and you may be rehired if you're lucky (as new-joiner sacrificing all your seniority). Also they will let people go at will.

• You fly the A380, and the plane gets grounded because of a global pandemic - fired.

• You put the flap to final setting at 990ft - fired.

• You forget your hat and don't comply with uniform standards - fired.

• You are sick "too much" - fired.

• Your wife chats too much about your work stuff at school with another pilot wife and her husband reports it - fired.

• You make a fuss with ground staff because someone behind you on the priority list get a seat ahead of you on a stanbdy ticket - fired.

No shit given for the 10+ years of seniority accrued.
So, NO, a layoff from AC is absunotely comparable with a similar thing at Emirates or any other carriers. Also keep in mind that you have to leave the country if you loose the job as its all contingent on you being sponsored - tell that to your wife and kids.
You come back to Canada you will get @#$! all as you havent contributed to the system in years. All what you have is you UAE money provided you haven't spent it on a Porsche down there which btw you will not be able to take with you either.

[Stu Pidasso]

You would have to be out of your mind to consider Emirates or Cathay as a Canadian. These two carriers showed their true colors during COVID, ex wide body Captains competing for 737 FO jobs at Flair.

A Harbour Air Beaver position would beat either of these @sshole outfits.

[Dias]

*lose

[Tbayer2021]

You would have to be out of your mind to consider Emirates or Cathay as a Canadian. These two carriers showed their true colors during COVID, ex wide body Captains competing for 737 FO jobs at Flair.

A Harbour Air Beaver position would beat either of these @sshole outfits.

I also wouldn't recommend anyone apply at these places unless they have no other option. But what exactly do you expect these companies to do during a downturn? Prioritize seniority over their own local pilots? This is something to be kept in mind by anyone considering the expat route. Most other countries won't have anywhere close to the level of labour protections we enjoy in Canada and you won't be prioritized over a citizen. The latter to me makes perfect sense.

[Jean-Pierre]

I don't recommend going to Flair right now.

[Stu Pidasso]

Tupues says everything anyone needs to know, you are a Mercenary Pilot and will be treated as such. There was a time (30 years ago) being an A scaler at Cathay was worth the pain, currently one of the worst jobs in the business.

Emirates is even worse, hard to believe that is possible but sadly it is.