Recall of MEC Chair & Vice Chair

[cdnavater]

How exactly is a YWG member different that any other? Their base was as unified and ready to fight for a WCC contract as any other yet you make it sound like they are a bunch of shills run by reps who were primed to rubber stamp any deal. The one guy stuck his neck out and led a recall against the former chair who was an epic shill and the other was sent by the MEC to be ALPA-C VP. Also, what do you have to say about YUL? Shill base too I presume. YVR split vote? Semi-shill base. This is getting old...

Does your whole argument boil down to any rep who voted yes is illegitimate? The a tiebreak was in the chair's hands, so proxy or not, nothing was going to change. But keep looking for any reason to justify your bitterness towards a deal that was ratified by nearly 7/10 pilots or 2:1 yes/no. If it didn't meet your expectations, I get it. It didn't meet mine either. Get over it or step up and do something about it instead of sitting behind your keyboard to slag your fellow pilots who did.

The same guy who led a recall promptly got himself in on the MEC. Has the optics of a little self serving.

And then somehow ended up with 2 votes out of 10 via a proxy.

An Air Canada pilot wage is good in Winnipeg, I'll admit it. Plus we don't have to commute for more than a bit of a drive.

It is wild we have so much pull on the MEC but as a Winnipeger I'm not complaining.

So how much representation do pilots in Calgary get?

Isn't there hundreds of pilots there and no LEC yet Winnipeg has 20% of the votes on the MEC?

If Calgary can be absorbed into another LEC, why can't Winnipeg?

AC does not have a YYC pilot base.

[altiplano]

Can someone tell me what an ALPA-C VP is?

If you’re thinking EVP-C, AC isn’t in the C group (with WJ, Jazz, etc.), AC is in the A group with their own dedicated EVP.

ALPA-C VP is just that. Vice President of ALPA Canada is an AC Pilot from YWG, like the ALPA-C President is a WJ Pilot, and the Secretary is a TS Pilot.

Group C isn't exclusively ALPA-C anymore, ALPA-C now includes AC and Group C, and the ALPA-C executive are now non-voting members of the ALPA Board.

[737Drver]

The same guy who led a recall promptly got himself in on the MEC. Has the optics of a little self serving.

And then somehow ended up with 2 votes out of 10 via a proxy.

An Air Canada pilot wage is good in Winnipeg, I'll admit it. Plus we don't have to commute for more than a bit of a drive.

It is wild we have so much pull on the MEC but as a Winnipeger I'm not complaining.

So how much representation do pilots in Calgary get?

Isn't there hundreds of pilots there and no LEC yet Winnipeg has 20% of the votes on the MEC?

If Calgary can be absorbed into another LEC, why can't Winnipeg?

AC does not have a YYC pilot base.

So the company controls where LECs are no matter where actual pilots live? Crazy.

I thought the union would want to control their own association

[altiplano]

The company establishes the workplaces/bases.

AC actually required by legislation to maintain pilot bases in those 4 cities, but not limited to expanding to others.

[cdnavater]

So how much representation do pilots in Calgary get?

Isn't there hundreds of pilots there and no LEC yet Winnipeg has 20% of the votes on the MEC?

If Calgary can be absorbed into another LEC, why can't Winnipeg?

AC does not have a YYC pilot base.

So the company controls where LECs are no matter where actual pilots live? Crazy.

I thought the union would want to control their own association

What are you talking about?
Can you show me where there are local reps at NON bases anywhere in any union, maybe the 20 pilots that commute from Saskatoon need some reps too!

[Winnikegger]

AC does not have a YYC pilot base.

So the company controls where LECs are no matter where actual pilots live? Crazy.

I thought the union would want to control their own association

What are you talking about?
Can you show me where there are local reps at NON bases anywhere in any union, maybe the 20 pilots that commute from Saskatoon need some reps too!

Be almost as big as the Winnipeg base!

[cdnavater]

So the company controls where LECs are no matter where actual pilots live? Crazy.

I thought the union would want to control their own association

What are you talking about?
Can you show me where there are local reps at NON bases anywhere in any union, maybe the 20 pilots that commute from Saskatoon need some reps too!

Be almost as big as the Winnipeg base!

I’m not really sure if base size is relevant, without representation, a base closure on the table how do you think that would go?
All bases need their local reps to look after their own base specific interests and as has been mentioned, regardless of the proxy vote, the pilots had the option to either accept(which they did) or vote it down.
Winnipeg base was underrepresented for the vote, the entire base of pilots could have voted no and may very well have, would have almost no impact on the outcome of said vote!

[Canadianpilot2024]

Is there any rule to have more LEC reps at our bases, something that proportionally reflects its members.

Something similar to, I dunno, our legislative system.

[cdnavater]

Is there any rule to have more LEC reps at our bases, something that proportionally reflects its members.

Something similar to, I dunno, our legislative system.

We could certainly argue that our legislative system needs some reform, given the West keeps getting screwed by the East where most people live, I think YWG having an equal voice for a smaller population is a good thing.
Quebec and Ontario have 200 of the 343 seats, 58%, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how that plays out, promise a bunch of stuff to them and the rest are just along for the ride, ie we don’t matter!

[itsgrosswhatinet]

Is the new MEC Chair a hardliner?

[rudder]

Is there any rule to have more LEC reps at our bases, something that proportionally reflects its members.

Something similar to, I dunno, our legislative system.

We could certainly argue that our legislative system needs some reform, given the West keeps getting screwed by the East where most people live, I think YWG having an equal voice for a smaller population is a good thing.
Quebec and Ontario have 200 of the 343 seats, 58%, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how that plays out, promise a bunch of stuff to them and the rest are just along for the ride, ie we don’t matter!

And QC/ON have 60% of the total CDN population.

What is your point?

[cdnavater]

Is there any rule to have more LEC reps at our bases, something that proportionally reflects its members.

Something similar to, I dunno, our legislative system.

We could certainly argue that our legislative system needs some reform, given the West keeps getting screwed by the East where most people live, I think YWG having an equal voice for a smaller population is a good thing.
Quebec and Ontario have 200 of the 343 seats, 58%, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how that plays out, promise a bunch of stuff to them and the rest are just along for the ride, ie we don’t matter!

And QC/ON have 60% of the total CDN population.

What is your point?

That is my point, you have a relatively small geographic area making the decisions for the rest of the country, the last two elections had the conservatives with the popular vote yet here we are 10 years of a liberal government running things through a pseudo majority.
You can give enough to a small area that controls the vote to win enough seats to hold government.
Do you think the high speed rail will benefit the rest of Canada and the billions of tax payer money that will go in to it? Will that and Trump making Conservatives look bad be enough for another liberal government. Well, we will find out soon enough.
Winnipeg has two votes, they don’t control anything. Yet we have AC pilots wanting to take that away from them, why!

[noreasterYHZ]

Winnipeg has 2 of 10 votes on MEC or 20% of total

They are 50 of 5500 pilots so 0.9% of total

dEmOcRAcy

[737Drver]

Winnipeg has 2 of 10 votes on MEC or 20% of total

They are 50 of 5500 pilots so 0.9% of total

dEmOcRAcy

I dont see how this makes sense

[pelmet]

Winnipeg has 2 of 10 votes on MEC or 20% of total

They are 50 of 5500 pilots so 0.9% of total

dEmOcRAcy

Hey, we have a PM that was voted in by about 0.00001% of the population. It seems like one can have a good standard of living with AC pay if they live in Winnipeg. Maybe people should move out there and commute. Would probably save time over their current drive. I hear the winters are nice, summers have not too many bugs, and the crime is not too bad. Remember Dieter Brock of the Blue Bombers. He said he loved the zoo.

https://3downnation.com/2020/07/08/top- ... -winnipeg/

[Oxi]

Anyone know who's willing to serve in YVR?

[Westcoast pilot]

What about that CVP guy? He seems to “know” all the answers!

[noreasterYHZ]

Why is there an election in YVR?