-42 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 6:14 pm
I am glad someone agrees. I can’t say if one airline is better than others, I really can’t. However travelling extensively over the years on several airlines I definitely see a trend and it’s not good. Gnarly gross table trays, carpet, seat rails, seats etc. My better half lost an earbud on the floor on a WJ flight recently and when I went to retrieve it needless to say what I saw under the seats was pretty bad. The ear bud stayed. Do flight crews still groom? Does anyone? Are CSA’s mostly automated now? I genuinely am curious.
I agree and have seen floors on freighters much cleaner.
Porter is light years ahead of WJ in customer service, cleanliness, product etc…
Filthier conditions I have not seen on a public bus, taxi, or any overseas airline. Is it the clientele that don’t notice? I just wonder if there should be a standard of care for customers. I try not to touch anything but it’s hard. I still am amazed by people in their stocking feet walking through aisles and putting their bags etc. “under the seat in front of them”. Might as well urinate all over the bottoms of your feet and all over your bag. Gnarly.
Reduction bid projections should be out in the next 6 weeks according to the latest video update from the office. They have said no layoffs, and the temporary bases in YUL/YHZ should help redistribute some of the YYZ pilots.
Even if hiring does start again next year, unless you’re die hard on living in YYC/YEG/YWG I wouldn’t recommend WJ to anyone. Most likely around 15 years for an upgrade. Porter/AC you can plan on a left seat at some point at least, or enjoy the widebody FO lifestyle.
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Probably the best advice right now is if you are at a place you don’t mind it’s worth staying at your current company.
Every airline is going to be affected by the tariffs and I bet even high level execs at the companies don’t know what things will look like in 3/6/12 months from now.
It could be a short term blip followed by growth or it could be a much more serious long term recession/ depression that could result in layoffs at every airline.
fish4life wrote: ↑Fri Apr 04, 2025 9:27 am
Probably the best advice right now is if you are at a place you don’t mind it’s worth staying at your current company.
Every airline is going to be affected by the tariffs and I bet even high level execs at the companies don’t know what things will look like in 3/6/12 months from now.
It could be a short term blip followed by growth or it could be a much more serious long term recession/ depression that could result in layoffs at every airline.
This.
You don't want to be bottom of the list when the music stops.
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Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 04, 2025 6:38 am
Reduction bid projections should be out in the next 6 weeks according to the latest video update from the office. They have said no layoffs, and the temporary bases in YUL/YYZ should help redistribute some of the YYZ pilots.
Even if hiring does start again next year, unless you’re die hard on living in YYC/YEG/YWG I wouldn’t recommend WJ to anyone. Most likely around 15 years for an upgrade. Porter/AC you can plan on a left seat at some point at least, or enjoy the widebody FO lifestyle.
Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 04, 2025 6:38 am
Reduction bid projections should be out in the next 6 weeks according to the latest video update from the office. They have said no layoffs, and the temporary bases in YUL/YYZ should help redistribute some of the YYZ pilots.
Even if hiring does start again next year, unless you’re die hard on living in YYC/YEG/YWG I wouldn’t recommend WJ to anyone. Most likely around 15 years for an upgrade. Porter/AC you can plan on a left seat at some point at least, or enjoy the widebody FO lifestyle.
Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 04, 2025 6:38 am
Reduction bid projections should be out in the next 6 weeks according to the latest video update from the office. They have said no layoffs, and the temporary bases in YUL/YHZ should help redistribute some of the YYZ pilots.
Even if hiring does start again next year, unless you’re die hard on living in YYC/YEG/YWG I wouldn’t recommend WJ to anyone. Most likely around 15 years for an upgrade. Porter/AC you can plan on a left seat at some point at least, or enjoy the widebody FO lifestyle.
Man I really hope this 15 year upgrade isn’t true, but I keep hearing the same thing.
I’m sure someone can provide the exact number, but I think even the best year I’ve seen (in 10 years here) was around 80 upgrades. So with 1000 FOs it’s not hard to do the math to know what to expect. Especially with the widebody ‘trial’ looking like it won’t be grown anymore. Add into that the AR program that the company is intent on keeping around. Anyone’s guess.
Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:23 am
I’m sure someone can provide the exact number, but I think even the best year I’ve seen (in 10 years here) was around 80 upgrades. So with 1000 FOs it’s not hard to do the math to know what to expect. Especially with the widebody ‘trial’ looking like it won’t be grown anymore. Add into that the AR program that the company is intent on keeping around. Anyone’s guess.
DP dropped by our latest class grad and was socializing with us when one asked about a rumor of 20 Dreamliners coming....to which he stated Whoa whoa....its not 20 its more like 10. He said that an announcement could be made in the fall on that.
Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:23 am
I’m sure someone can provide the exact number, but I think even the best year I’ve seen (in 10 years here) was around 80 upgrades. So with 1000 FOs it’s not hard to do the math to know what to expect. Especially with the widebody ‘trial’ looking like it won’t be grown anymore. Add into that the AR program that the company is intent on keeping around. Anyone’s guess.
DP dropped by our latest class grad and was socializing with us when one asked about a rumor of 20 Dreamliners coming....to which he stated Whoa whoa....its not 20 its more like 10. He said that an announcement could be made in the fall on that.
Take that as you want.
I'm sure it'll happen at the same time as the YLW base
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planenuts wrote: ↑Sat Apr 05, 2025 6:01 pm
DP dropped by our latest class grad and was socializing with us when one asked about a rumor of 20 Dreamliners coming....to which he stated Whoa whoa....its not 20 its more like 10. He said that an announcement could be made in the fall on that.
Take that as you want.
Boeing wants to increase 787 production to 10 per month in 2026. With 780 aircraft in the backlog, the first 787 would not be delivered for nearly 7 years.
In 7 years:
Onex will not own WestJet
WestJet's oldest 787 will be 13 years old
Encore's Q400s will be coming up on 20 years old with no replacement in sight
You will still be an FO with another 7 years until you may upgrade
planenuts wrote: ↑Sat Apr 05, 2025 6:01 pm
DP dropped by our latest class grad and was socializing with us when one asked about a rumor of 20 Dreamliners coming....to which he stated Whoa whoa....its not 20 its more like 10. He said that an announcement could be made in the fall on that.
Take that as you want.
Boeing wants to increase 787 production to 10 per month in 2026. With 780 aircraft in the backlog, the first 787 would not be delivered for nearly 7 years.
In 7 years:
Onex will not own WestJet
WestJet's oldest 787 will be 13 years old
Encore's Q400s will be coming up on 20 years old with no replacement in sight
You will still be an FO with another 7 years until you may upgrade
I didn't say it was going to happen or I believed it - hence "Take that as you want"
FWIW - I don't see Encore being here in 7 - 10 years - I personally think it will be broken off and sold/operated much like Jazz is....I also wont be waiting for any upgrade as I'm not a pilot, so It matters little to me.
These comments by the C-suite to the pilots are as good as toilet paper. They know pilots are worse than grandmothers at bingo night and love to drop comments like these and watch how quickly they spread. A good portion of AC pilots are convinced A350s are around the corner, also based on some comments made by management.
I remember talking to an MNR manager early in my career while flying him to Sudbury. He told me sometimes he'd start a rumour in Dryden on days he had to fly somewhere else and see if the rumour beat him to his destination.
