I applied to Jazz this year in January, and I just heard back a few weeks ago that I got In, but they don’t know when the ground school date will be perhaps it could be September October, November or December (Sometime in fall).
I am feeling a bit discouraged because I put in so much effort to get in and to hear this response. Are there any other members who have gone through this in the past or have been going through it right now? My total time is 600, I’m not sure if I will get a call, Just hoping for the best.
I guess I’m going to try and apply other places as well although hiring has been slowed down overall. If you have any suggestions for other companies, I should apply for at 600 total time. Please let me know.
Thank your responses.
600hrs and people are disappointed in the Jazz hiring process. We've come a long way!
I'm not saying this in a bad way. John Doe Air service ramp rat, Jazz, Delta, SpaceX test pilot, doesn't matter. If they're gonna dick around with a candidate and "we'll hire you...sometime...maybe". Screw em. Says a lot about the company, and do you really wanna work there? Remove the company name from the offer, and do a blind comparison, apples to apples. Accept whatever the best deal is for you. Who cares what logo is painted on the tail.
Highbird, you said it best yourself. "going to try and apply other places as well".
As for other places to apply, pretty much anywhere that you can get the PIC time for the ATPL. Some of the more reputable northern operators would probably be happy to hire a 600hr candidate.
Wasaya, Calm air, perimeter, keewaitin, CMA, fast air, bearskin, the list is endlesss. Apply at all of them, pilot career center is a good resource as well as avcanada job ads forum.
Fire off resumes to all of them, make a general cover letter and edit accordingly. You’ll get some bites if you don’t wanna wait for jazz.
Highbird wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:37 pm
I am feeling a bit discouraged because I put in so much effort to get in and to hear this response.
Ok i’m gonna be that guy.
400 hours (from 200 hrs) isn’t “so much effort”
If not getting on with Jazz at 600TT is such a big disappointment for you, I’m not sure if this career is for you honestly.
Have you tried other 703/4?
Some of you need better reading comprehension skills... OP never once said they feel entitled at 600 hours... If you read what he/she posted, you'll clearly see that they have gone through the entire hiring process, only to be told they are placed in the hiring pool until the fall, and that they are discouraged by this outcome given the effort put into the whole process
That said, to the OP, I know it sucks but IF you are hired and just waiting on a start date, if I were you i'd take this time to enjoy yourself before you start your training... Yes it's shitty to have to wait, but don't think for a second other companies will hire you the next day, and if you've heard someone here say that, or anywhere else, those people are the exception, not the norm... from my first contact when I applied to first day was between 6 to 8 months, can't remember exactly... these things take time, even though sometimes it doesn't make sense why. I used to ask myself all the time why it takes forever, now I just go with the flow, because almost no matter what, you can't change other people's timelines
Highbird wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:37 pm
Hi guys,
I applied to Jazz this year in January, and I just heard back a few weeks ago that I got In, but they don’t know when the ground school date will be perhaps it could be September October, November or December (Sometime in fall).
I am feeling a bit discouraged because I put in so much effort to get in and to hear this response. Are there any other members who have gone through this in the past or have been going through it right now? My total time is 600, I’m not sure if I will get a call, Just hoping for the best.
I guess I’m going to try and apply other places as well although hiring has been slowed down overall. If you have any suggestions for other companies, I should apply for at 600 total time. Please let me know.
Thank your responses.
Just keep in mind we are slowing down for the summer and the fall will be slow too, with the 200s gone we have to switch over to the 900 for initial training and that requires a new 900 SIM at CAE. With only one RJ SIM, we will have a period where we can only do recurrent training.
The other thing to keep in mind is, at 600 hours you are on the lower side of experience, just slightly but if any candidates come in with 1000ish hours, they will be put in the next available ground schools ahead of lower time pilots.
Being in the pool means you have been selected, you can certainly interview elsewhere and take a job if it comes but like the other poster said, enjoy what you’re doing now and eventually you will be here.
Take care
Highbird wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:37 pm
Hi guys,
I applied to Jazz this year in January, and I just heard back a few weeks ago that I got In, but they don’t know when the ground school date will be perhaps it could be September October, November or December (Sometime in fall).
I am feeling a bit discouraged because I put in so much effort to get in and to hear this response. Are there any other members who have gone through this in the past or have been going through it right now? My total time is 600, I’m not sure if I will get a call, Just hoping for the best.
I guess I’m going to try and apply other places as well although hiring has been slowed down overall. If you have any suggestions for other companies, I should apply for at 600 total time. Please let me know.
Thank your responses.
Just keep in mind we are slowing down for the summer and the fall will be slow too, with the 200s gone we have to switch over to the 900 for initial training and that requires a new 900 SIM at CAE. With only one RJ SIM, we will have a period where we can only do recurrent training.
The other thing to keep in mind is, at 600 hours you are on the lower side of experience, just slightly but if any candidates come in with 1000ish hours, they will be put in the next available ground schools ahead of lower time pilots.
Being in the pool means you have been selected, you can certainly interview elsewhere and take a job if it comes but like the other poster said, enjoy what you’re doing now and eventually you will be here.
Take care
Is that how they pull from the pool for sure? Just based on hours and not performance during sim or interview?
Highbird wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:37 pm
Hi guys,
I applied to Jazz this year in January, and I just heard back a few weeks ago that I got In, but they don’t know when the ground school date will be perhaps it could be September October, November or December (Sometime in fall).
I am feeling a bit discouraged because I put in so much effort to get in and to hear this response. Are there any other members who have gone through this in the past or have been going through it right now? My total time is 600, I’m not sure if I will get a call, Just hoping for the best.
I guess I’m going to try and apply other places as well although hiring has been slowed down overall. If you have any suggestions for other companies, I should apply for at 600 total time. Please let me know.
Thank your responses.
Just keep in mind we are slowing down for the summer and the fall will be slow too, with the 200s gone we have to switch over to the 900 for initial training and that requires a new 900 SIM at CAE. With only one RJ SIM, we will have a period where we can only do recurrent training.
The other thing to keep in mind is, at 600 hours you are on the lower side of experience, just slightly but if any candidates come in with 1000ish hours, they will be put in the next available ground schools ahead of lower time pilots.
Being in the pool means you have been selected, you can certainly interview elsewhere and take a job if it comes but like the other poster said, enjoy what you’re doing now and eventually you will be here.
Take care
Is that how they pull from the pool for sure? Just based on hours and not performance during sim or interview?
To be honest I’m not part of that but I would assume it would be total score of which total time forms part of.
The reality is, anyone who ends up in the pool has succeeded in the process, so since Jazz has an experience shortage, I imagine they would weigh total time a little heavier.
The pilots I’ve encountered recently have had a little more than 172 instructor time, some with 1300-1500 hours flying in a two crew environment, some with a few thousand on floats.
People have to realize, at 600 hours, they are at least three years away from left seat, likely more and there are 100s applying.
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cdnavater wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:14 pm
The reality is, [snip] Jazz has an experience shortage,
Ahh, Negative, Ghostrider - Jazz has a *PAY* shortage. Lots of guys/gals would have gone to Jazz over the last few years, but they couldn't/didn't want to take the paycut. At my past job there were several people who would have been an asset to Jazz, but they were already earning pretty close to top of the Jazz payscale. Why take a paycut, with a 10 year time lag to get back to what you were earning, and a roll of the dice as to which base you're getting?
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Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.
The moment they decided not to raise pay and instead dropped the requirements to hire non-ATPL licensed pilots was the moment they went down the path of a future captain shortage.
Sure there's lots ATPLs being hired and upgraded. But the non upgradeable FOs are reducing the number of upgradeable FOs being hired.
Pay better, and attract future captains instead of career FOs.
goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:07 am
The moment they decided not to raise pay and instead dropped the requirements to hire non-ATPL licensed pilots was the moment they went down the path of a future captain shortage.
Sure there's lots ATPLs being hired and upgraded. But the non upgradeable FOs are reducing the number of upgradeable FOs being hired.
Pay better, and attract future captains instead of career FOs.
We have a real serious Captain shortage. Nearly every time a 2000 hr FO gets upgraded they end up going to AC not long afterward, so there's no net gain. Plus there are still plenty of retirements moving ahead. They need to get their heads out of their arses and fix the pay issue. No one with experience is going to apply here for $110/hr. Right now its that analogy of burining furniture to heat the house or rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic at Jazz...
cdnavater wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:14 pm
The reality is, [snip] Jazz has an experience shortage,
Ahh, Negative, Ghostrider - Jazz has a *PAY* shortage. Lots of guys/gals would have gone to Jazz over the last few years, but they couldn't/didn't want to take the paycut. At my past job there were several people who would have been an asset to Jazz, but they were already earning pretty close to top of the Jazz payscale. Why take a paycut, with a 10 year time lag to get back to what you were earning, and a roll of the dice as to which base you're getting?
Sure, pay shortage doesn’t change the fact we have an experience shortage and if any apply they will be prioritizing them for ground school.
It’s AC who needs to get their heads out of their arse, wages are currently a pass through and they are refusing to deal with it.
cdnavater wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:14 pm
The reality is, [snip] Jazz has an experience shortage,
Ahh, Negative, Ghostrider - Jazz has a *PAY* shortage. Lots of guys/gals would have gone to Jazz over the last few years, but they couldn't/didn't want to take the paycut. Infinite Craft At my past job there were several people who would have been an asset to Jazz, but they were already earning pretty close to top of the Jazz payscale. Why take a paycut, with a 10 year time lag to get back to what you were earning, and a roll of the dice as to which base you're getting?
Sure, pay shortage doesn’t change the fact we have an experience shortage and if any apply they will be prioritizing them for ground school.
It’s AC who needs to get their heads out of their arse, wages are currently a pass through and they are refusing to deal with it.
AC’s refusal to adjust wages despite the "pass-through" situation is just making things worse. They’re basically handcuffing Jazz, making it even harder to attract and retain pilots.
They seem to have gone from a class every 3 weeks to 6, then 9 and now possibly 15 if September is after June.
Last class was barely over half capacity.
I'm sure there's no shortage of FOs, there's a shortage of upgradeable FOs. In YUL you can literally have a second full time job with the lack of flying they do there. If you think about it, they can make almost double as an AC new hire with 2 salaries working only 1 job wherever + SIM every 6 months and a forced pairing every 3 months to keep current at Jazz.
Me262 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:18 am
They seem to have gone from a class every 3 weeks to 6, then 9 and now possibly 15 if September is after June.
Last class was barely over half capacity.
I'm sure there's no shortage of FOs, there's a shortage of upgradeable FOs. In YUL you can literally have a second full time job with the lack of flying they do there. If you think about it, they can make almost double as an AC new hire with 2 salaries working only 1 job wherever + SIM every 6 months and a forced pairing every 3 months to keep current at Jazz.
Me262 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:18 am
They seem to have gone from a class every 3 weeks to 6, then 9 and now possibly 15 if September is after June.
Last class was barely over half capacity.
I'm sure there's no shortage of FOs, there's a shortage of upgradeable FOs. In YUL you can literally have a second full time job with the lack of flying they do there. If you think about it, they can make almost double as an AC new hire with 2 salaries working only 1 job wherever + SIM every 6 months and a forced pairing every 3 months to keep current at Jazz.
What are the requirements for FOs to upgrade?
Must have your ATPL, do the captain upgrade training, PPC and line check.
Me262 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:18 am
They seem to have gone from a class every 3 weeks to 6, then 9 and now possibly 15 if September is after June.
Last class was barely over half capacity.
I'm sure there's no shortage of FOs, there's a shortage of upgradeable FOs. In YUL you can literally have a second full time job with the lack of flying they do there. If you think about it, they can make almost double as an AC new hire with 2 salaries working only 1 job wherever + SIM every 6 months and a forced pairing every 3 months to keep current at Jazz.
What are the requirements for FOs to upgrade?
Must have your ATPL, do the captain upgrade training, PPC and line check.
What's the sticking point? Is it the ATPL (PIC time presumably), or is it command presence / aptitude to complete the upgrade training and PPC to CA standards?
Must have your ATPL, do the captain upgrade training, PPC and line check.
What's the sticking point? Is it the ATPL (PIC time presumably), or is it command presence / aptitude to complete the upgrade training and PPC to CA standards?
This may come as a surprise to some but there is little difference in technical execution, knowledge requirements, and crew interface skills required as CA on a 76 seat E175 operating YYZ-LGA as it is on a 150 seat Airbus.
So ask yourself - what level of relevant experience or proficiency would be required to pass the upgrade at AC? The answer should be the same. The only difference might be the total hours in the pilot logbook.
