Pilot Hiring 2025

[tbaylx]

We're tentatively plannign a small groundschool of under 10 pilots in May or June and likely one more in the fall sometime.

When do you anticipate informing interviewed candidates of the outcome for the May/June ground school?
Thanks

Likely be early May as we won't know about OTS class size until then and we have a few cadets entering the system at that time as well.

[Skycaptain95]

The pilots interviewed in Feb Won’t know if they were successful or not until May?

[tbaylx]

The pilots interviewed in Feb Won’t know if they were successful or not until May?

No the recruiting team should reach out to any candidates interviewed in February within a few weeks.

[IcePharaoh]

No the recruiting team should reach out to any candidates interviewed in February within a few weeks.

Hello. Any developments on that front? It's been pretty quiet since February.
Thanks

[tbaylx]

No the recruiting team should reach out to any candidates interviewed in February within a few weeks.

Hello. Any developments on that front? It's been pretty quiet since February.
Thanks

PM'd you.

[airborne90]

Hello guys !!

I am just curious that Flair has more ground school or not in this year after Feb.

Thank you

We're tentatively plannign a small groundschool of under 10 pilots in May or June and likely one more in the fall sometime.

Hello
Will the small ground school planned for May or June include the cadets entering the system, or will there be a separate ground school for them?

[tbaylx]

Hello guys !!

I am just curious that Flair has more ground school or not in this year after Feb.

Thank you

We're tentatively plannign a small groundschool of under 10 pilots in May or June and likely one more in the fall sometime.

Hello
Will the small ground school planned for May or June include the cadets entering the system, or will there be a separate ground school for them?

It would include the cadets, although we are reevaluating our hiring requirements for 2025 at this time.

[tom1234]

Will the minimum TT go up?

[tbaylx]

We don't intend to change the minimum TT hiring requirements for First Officers, however, what it takes to be competitive varies depending on supply and demand.

[See track]

We're tentatively plannign a small groundschool of under 10 pilots in May or June and likely one more in the fall sometime.

Hello
Will the small ground school planned for May or June include the cadets entering the system, or will there be a separate ground school for them?

It would include the cadets, although we are reevaluating our hiring requirements for 2025 at this time.

Hi !
I would like to know what ll happen to the pilots waiting in the hiring pool that haven’t been called for GS yet?
Thanks !

[Aviator172]

Does flair ever hire 1000 hour instructors for example? What are the chances someone with that experience gets any consideration? Thanks!

[tbaylx]

Hello
Will the small ground school planned for May or June include the cadets entering the system, or will there be a separate ground school for them?

It would include the cadets, although we are reevaluating our hiring requirements for 2025 at this time.

Hi !
I would like to know what ll happen to the pilots waiting in the hiring pool that haven’t been called for GS yet?
Thanks !

They'll remain in the hiring pool until our next groundschool. At this time we dont have any further groundschools planned for 2025, but that can change based on commercial requirements.

[tbaylx]

Does flair ever hire 1000 hour instructors for example? What are the chances someone with that experience gets any consideration? Thanks!

We have hired several pilots with around 1000 TT, however we prefer at least some of that experience to be operational 703/704 time.

It is unlikely that a candidate with only instructor time would be competitive, although we have hired a limited number of pilots with only instructor time in the past.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Does flair ever hire 1000 hour instructors for example? What are the chances someone with that experience gets any consideration? Thanks!

We have hired several pilots with around 1000 TT, however we prefer at least some of that experience to be operational 703/704 time.

It is unlikely that a candidate with only instructor time would be competitive, although we have hired a limited number of pilots with only instructor time in the past.

Terrifying

[co-joe]

Does flair ever hire 1000 hour instructors for example? What are the chances someone with that experience gets any consideration? Thanks!

We have hired several pilots with around 1000 TT, however we prefer at least some of that experience to be operational 703/704 time.

It is unlikely that a candidate with only instructor time would be competitive, although we have hired a limited number of pilots with only instructor time in the past.

Terrifying

Terrifying that they had only instructor time back when we hired them, or that they now have over 2000 hours on the 737 and no wings have fallen off in that time?

[fish4life]

I don’t think Flair is going to be the only operation reevaluating their 2025 plans, I’d imagine this is industry wide in Canada this year.

[CFM Symphony]

Does flair ever hire 1000 hour instructors for example? What are the chances someone with that experience gets any consideration? Thanks!

We have hired several pilots with around 1000 TT, however we prefer at least some of that experience to be operational 703/704 time.

It is unlikely that a candidate with only instructor time would be competitive, although we have hired a limited number of pilots with only instructor time in the past.

Terrifying

Respectfully, you’re biased by a long history of the pilot market in Canada being oversupplied, resulting in weird anomalies like having to work the ramp for a few seasons to “pay your dues” or show “your worth”, followed by long upgrade times and lots of different jobs before getting into the airline world. Canada has changed though - we now have a more balanced pilot supply, and ramp jobs and long upgrade times have gone away. In many other places in the world, getting onto an Airbus or Boeing jet right out of flight school is considered the normal progression and is axiomatically safe.

Also, and this one is anecdotal, in a long career in many countries, the pilots I flew with who had the best hands and feet almost always had an instructing background. Non instructors definitely had other valuable skills too, and were quicker to adapt to certain operating environments. Point is, there is absolutely no reason to single out an instructor.

[CaptDukeNukem]

We have hired several pilots with around 1000 TT, however we prefer at least some of that experience to be operational 703/704 time.

It is unlikely that a candidate with only instructor time would be competitive, although we have hired a limited number of pilots with only instructor time in the past.

Terrifying

Respectfully, you’re biased by a long history of the pilot market in Canada being oversupplied, resulting in weird anomalies like having to work the ramp for a few seasons to “pay your dues” or show “your worth”, followed by long upgrade times and lots of different jobs before getting into the airline world. Canada has changed though - we now have a more balanced pilot supply, and ramp jobs and long upgrade times have gone away. In many other places in the world, getting onto an Airbus or Boeing jet right out of flight school is considered the normal progression and is axiomatically safe.

Also, and this one is anecdotal, in a long career in many countries, the pilots I flew with who had the best hands and feet almost always had an instructing background. Non instructors definitely had other valuable skills too, and were quicker to adapt to certain operating environments. Point is, there is absolutely no reason to single out an instructor.

I am not biased at all by “working the ramp to prove your worth”. Flying skills has nothing to do with floor weight per sq feet. Thanks for putting words in my singular word answer. I think it’s great people are getting flying jobs in this era without having to do yard work.

What’s terrifying about it: the training programs that airlines have in Canada, especially for larger jet operators, are not designed for the lower time pilots. I am not against hiring instructors at 1000 hours. But many of them struggle during training, costing the company more money, and wasting more time. Airlines in Europe have programs curated for cadets. We lack this.

Also, hands and feet is a skill you need when you’re flying a king air. FMA knowledge, button pusher and knob turner master is what you need in airlines. They don’t teach that in the downwind at Moncton

[CaptDukeNukem]

We have hired several pilots with around 1000 TT, however we prefer at least some of that experience to be operational 703/704 time.

It is unlikely that a candidate with only instructor time would be competitive, although we have hired a limited number of pilots with only instructor time in the past.

Terrifying

Terrifying that they had only instructor time back when we hired them, or that they now have over 2000 hours on the 737 and no wings have fallen off in that time?

When’s the last time wings have fallen off any airplane? That has nothing to do with the fact that hiring low time pilots increases training costs with higher failure rates, increased fuel burns due to unstable approaches because they don’t know how to slow down a jet?

It’s a different world above 4000’. Let them get used to world up to 25000’ for a year before letting them Up to FL410

[fish4life]

It’s also terrifying if buddy in the left seat has an incapacitation event and the right seat has 10 hour TT above 4000’.

The Europe argument doesn’t work because they have a much much more in depth theory side as well as training to be airline pilots from day 1. In Canada the system was built to go into a 703/4 airline and learn not right into a 737 etc.

This is nothing against Flair, it’s more of an issue with the regulator and how they have the system in Canada built.

[Blueontop]

We have hired several pilots with around 1000 TT, however we prefer at least some of that experience to be operational 703/704 time.

It is unlikely that a candidate with only instructor time would be competitive, although we have hired a limited number of pilots with only instructor time in the past.

Terrifying

Terrifying that they had only instructor time back when we hired them, or that they now have over 2000 hours on the 737 and no wings have fallen off in that time?

Didn’t some metal get bent into YKF last year…

[CaptDukeNukem]

It’s also terrifying if buddy in the left seat has an incapacitation event and the right seat has 10 hour TT above 4000’.

The Europe argument doesn’t work because they have a much much more in depth theory side as well as training to be airline pilots from day 1. In Canada the system was built to go into a 703/4 airline and learn not right into a 737 etc.

This is nothing against Flair, it’s more of an issue with the regulator and how they have the system in Canada built.

Amen

[CFM Symphony]

Terrifying

Terrifying that they had only instructor time back when we hired them, or that they now have over 2000 hours on the 737 and no wings have fallen off in that time?

When’s the last time wings have fallen off any airplane? That has nothing to do with the fact that hiring low time pilots increases training costs with higher failure rates, increased fuel burns due to unstable approaches because they don’t know how to slow down a jet?

It’s a different world above 4000’. Let them get used to world up to 25000’ for a year before letting them Up to FL410

Oh I’m sorry, I misunderstood you. You meant terrifying for the accountants who have to square the additional cost of training.

Look, you’re correct. Canada’s system was not designed to handle European, Asian and until not too long ago American style Cessna to Airbus type of training. But then say that, rather than saying “terrifying” and then backpedaling to claim that your concern had to do with training costs rather than safety.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Terrifying that they had only instructor time back when we hired them, or that they now have over 2000 hours on the 737 and no wings have fallen off in that time?

When’s the last time wings have fallen off any airplane? That has nothing to do with the fact that hiring low time pilots increases training costs with higher failure rates, increased fuel burns due to unstable approaches because they don’t know how to slow down a jet?

It’s a different world above 4000’. Let them get used to world up to 25000’ for a year before letting them Up to FL410

Oh I’m sorry, I misunderstood you. You meant terrifying for the accountants who have to square the additional cost of training.

Look, you’re correct. Canada’s system was not designed to handle European, Asian and until not too long ago American style Cessna to Airbus type of training. But then say that, rather than saying “terrifying” and then backpedaling to claim that your concern had to do with training costs rather than safety.

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I’m sorry, when did I backpedal!? I’m saying people at 1000 hours instructing should not go direct into 705 jet machines.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Terrifying that they had only instructor time back when we hired them, or that they now have over 2000 hours on the 737 and no wings have fallen off in that time?

When’s the last time wings have fallen off any airplane? That has nothing to do with the fact that hiring low time pilots increases training costs with higher failure rates, increased fuel burns due to unstable approaches because they don’t know how to slow down a jet?

It’s a different world above 4000’. Let them get used to world up to 25000’ for a year before letting them Up to FL410

Oh I’m sorry, I misunderstood you. You meant terrifying for the accountants who have to square the additional cost of training.

Look, you’re correct. Canada’s system was not designed to handle European, Asian and until not too long ago American style Cessna to Airbus type of training. But then say that, rather than saying “terrifying” and then backpedaling to claim that your concern had to do with training costs rather than safety.

I’m not backpedaling. I said what I said. You’re the one who assumed that i was mentioning it as a safety concern. Which means it’s already on your mind.

We shouldn’t be putting thousand hour wonders in right seats of any 705 machines. Regardless of the reasoning. FAA got it right, at least on this.