RECALL OF CB

[cdnavater]

I think you’re a selective reader. Got it. Keep carrying that water for him. Without insult, I think you’re built for the job.

Oh btw, I almost forgot. CB got himself into the Chairman position originally by recall. It was not unanimous. At the the time, some called it a “coup”.

hithere, this the process. It seems you don’t get it. I have a child that thinks like you. She’s 9 years old.

You wanted a recall vote, you got it but because it was too fast, not good enough!
He either has the support of the reps or he doesn’t and I see the entire exec is being recalled, I see it going either way and yes they should be responsible with our dues, I don’t believe this is the first vehicle purchased. I’m fairly certain the first vehicle was purchased years ago and was proven to save money.
Regarding the appliances, I buy high end appliances, why because they last longer and you will save money in the long haul. Buy cheap and replace every few years or buy more reliable(expensive) which will far outlast three of the cheap ones, sometimes there is no fire!
I will say, I don’t appreciate them buying booze on our dime, that should not happen, I can’t think of any justification for a bar full at the union office, hopefully that is proven to be false!

[1759]

Hopefully the council representatives are listening to their members. The membership tells the local representatives what they want to see, the representatives then take the concerns to the MEC.

As far as I can remember the Jazz MEC has never owned a vehicle, up until now.

1759

[cdnavater]

Hopefully the council representatives are listening to their members. The membership tells the local representatives what they want to see, the representatives then take the concerns to the MEC.

As far as I can remember the Jazz MEC has never owned a vehicle, up until now.

1759

I’m certain it was at the very least discussed years ago and I thought it was approved but this should come out with the current resolutions tabled by YUL.

[103CC]

Well it seems you don’t know a lot about many things, especially the ALPA constitution- evident but your lack of knowledge on due process. Go educate yourself please. Furthermore if someone has a RAIC or not is irrelevant and none of your business. Be careful what you post, you are being watched by all.

[truedude]

Now that that is over, think we can move on?

[cdnavater]

Now that that is over, think we can move on?

Not likely, I don’t understand why the reps who originally tabled the motion didn’t “move” and “second” the motion, that it didn’t get to a vote is weird given the situation!
Sounds like we will get some information about the current state of affairs and I would like to know about some of the other issues raised but I still support the MEC to look after our best interests, even if they have taken advantage of some perks.

[hithere]

The most likely reason the unhappy reps did not move the resolution is because they knew they didn’t have the votes for it to be a successful recall. In other words, not enough MEC reps agree with the couple of disgruntled rep’s position(that the exec has to go) for it to be successful.

[cdnavater]

The most likely reason the unhappy reps did not move the resolution is because they knew they didn’t have the votes for it to be a successful recall. In other words, not enough MEC reps agree with the couple of disgruntled rep’s position(that the exec has to go) for it to be successful.

So, any way to recall them from another base?
They are sowing division and maybe they need to go!

[1759]

For some unknown reason a quote keeps coming to mind...

"We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs Gentlemen"

[redbusdriver]

The most likely reason the unhappy reps did not move the resolution is because they knew they didn’t have the votes for it to be a successful recall. In other words, not enough MEC reps agree with the couple of disgruntled rep’s position(that the exec has to go) for it to be successful.

Leafs tickets go far with union reps, ask ACPA

[Teamgrifter]

Montreal Pilots,

“In addition to the recall motion passed at our latest LEC meeting, we were tasked with obtaining a cost comparison between the new model of office operation (including the purchase of a Lincoln Aviator) and the old model of office space meetings in hotels and the use of rental cars.

Your LEC has requested this information, and we are awaiting a response.”


3 options: divulge the numbers openly and transparently, force an MEC vote on divulging the numbers, or don’ do either.

None will look good. The numbers are not a secret to the MEC. But a process must be adhered to otherwise they would surely have been included. And the numbers are BIG. In a bad way.

[Teamgrifter]

“Montreal Pilots,



It has come to our attention that the MEC executive chairman has travelled to Honolulu on four occasions:

1) December 4 to 12, 2022

2) February 23 to March 6, 2023

3) December 7 to 20, 2023

4) December 5 to 11, 2024

We are unaware of any direction the MEC gave to the executive chair to conduct any MEC business in Honolulu.

Given the significant cost of these four trips to the MEC budget, we have asked the MEC chair to provide us with information on what MEC business was conducted in Honolulu, as well as any meeting minutes available to support that business.

We are waiting for his response and will keep you updated.“


Information all LEC Secretary Treasurers can access nowadays via Infor Expense tool.

[truedude]

Montreal Pilots,

“In addition to the recall motion passed at our latest LEC meeting, we were tasked with obtaining a cost comparison between the new model of office operation (including the purchase of a Lincoln Aviator) and the old model of office space meetings in hotels and the use of rental cars.

Your LEC has requested this information, and we are awaiting a response.”


3 options: divulge the numbers openly and transparently, force an MEC vote on divulging the numbers, or don’ do either.

None will look good.

Dude, it's over. Give it up.

[Teamgrifter]

How are those leafs tickets? lol.

[Teamgrifter]

Well it seems you don’t know a lot about many things, especially the ALPA constitution- evident but your lack of knowledge on due process. Go educate yourself please. Furthermore if someone has a RAIC or not is irrelevant and none of your business. Be careful what you post, you are being watched by all.

This IS due process.

[hithere]

“Montreal Pilots,



It has come to our attention that the MEC executive chairman has travelled to Honolulu on four occasions:

1) December 4 to 12, 2022

2) February 23 to March 6, 2023

3) December 7 to 20, 2023

4) December 5 to 11, 2024

We are unaware of any direction the MEC gave to the executive chair to conduct any MEC business in Honolulu.

Given the significant cost of these four trips to the MEC budget, we have asked the MEC chair to provide us with information on what MEC business was conducted in Honolulu, as well as any meeting minutes available to support that business.

We are waiting for his response and will keep you updated.“


Information all LEC Secretary Treasurers can access nowadays via Infor Expense tool.

Once again another LEC message without the FO rep’s name on it. What does that tell you?

[Teamgrifter]

That he’s inexperienced and believes in empty promises that will not be delivered , for one. That he’s struggling, for another. Probably thought politics is one big happy club.

His name was on the former btw.

[Teamgrifter]

If you’re ok with being ripped off and getting grifted, don’t solicit your reps for change.

If you’re ok with failing representation at the exec, don’t solicit your reps for change.

If you’re ok with lack of transparency and 2 wasted years on this ULP, don’t solicit your reps for change.

If you’re not ok with it, email your reps and demand change.

[hithere]

The middle one about the vehicle expenses. Fair enough, but he’s above this smear campaign in public

[Teamgrifter]

It’s public information. Everyone can make up their mind.

[hithere]

It’s not public, it’s MEC business. Hawaiian airlines MEC is based there. If this is public why don’t you go find the MEC travel expenses for that MEC and distribute it to all the Hawaii pilots and see what they think? This should be handled internally first to see if meets ALPA national policy. If not then the recall would be warranted. If not then move on.

[Teamgrifter]

ACA MEC detests CB and will sign nothing with him. They blocked him from ALPA Canada.

At a scheduled meeting with CB and ACA a couple weeks back, they sent 2 LEC reps instead of their exec. That speaks volumes as well. They also believe his expenses are far, very far, from being the biggest problem with him.

[Teamgrifter]

It’s not public, it’s MEC business. Hawaiian airlines MEC is based there. If this is public why don’t you go find the MEC travel expenses for that MEC and distribute it to all the Hawaii pilots and see what they think? This should be handled internally first to see if meets ALPA national policy. If not then the recall would be warranted. If not then move on.

The communications are public. All policies are and have been adhered to. These communications are approved in Herndon before they can go out btw. Hawaiian Airlines union is not our business. The process continues…

[hithere]

You said earlier you are not a rep. You have way too much knowledge of inside information to not be a rep or union officer of some type. There are internal mechanisms to deal with abuse of finances which if valid would have removed the exec which the unhappy reps could have used without going public. I’m 99.99% sure that releasing MEC expenses to the entire LEC members via email is itself a violation of ALPA policy. I can’t see this ending well for anyone involved

[Teamgrifter]

Those mechanisms are in play. CB will have to answer. We may see that soon. You could get all this info yourself. Call a friend at AC, speak to your reps etc ; none of this is privileged information. Not a rep. Many have been smelling the smoke for a few years now, and you know what they say about smoke.

The mechanism for Exec expense reporting is 1) to ask and 2) if refused to be provided, to move a motion for them. Your LEC sec. treasurer has some of them.

While you’re 99.9% sure, you’re not correct. If the above is done, the members can know. Until then, they cannot. Withholding them, however, surely doesn’t look good.

Gotta fly, good night.