Has Air Canada Suspended All Upcoming Ground School Sessions?

[machkill]

I came across some discussions suggesting that Air Canada might have halted all upcoming ground school sessions.
is that true ?

[Dry Guy]

They have slowed to once per month. I'd suggest going back to your home country as it likely has a better chance of doing well economically in the short to medium term.

[CaptDukeNukem]

They have slowed to once per month. I'd suggest going back to your home country as it likely has a better chance of doing well economically in the short to medium term.

What if your home country is Canada?

[thepoors]

They have slowed to once per month. I'd suggest going back to your home country as it likely has a better chance of doing well economically in the short to medium term.

What if your home country is Canada?

Then the advice is generally: "don't come to AC if you can't afford it"

[Man_in_the_sky]

They have slowed to once per month. I'd suggest going back to your home country as it likely has a better chance of doing well economically in the short to medium term.

What if your home country is Canada?

Then the advice is generally: "don't come to AC if you can't afford it"

Year 2 is 6 digit already..

If you can’t afford to live on 100k, the wage isn’t the issue.

[thepoors]

What if your home country is Canada?

Then the advice is generally: "don't come to AC if you can't afford it"

Year 2 is 6 digit already..

If you can’t afford to live on 100k, the wage isn’t the issue.

Lol year 2 is 88k bud, wtf are you on about

[Man_in_the_sky]

Then the advice is generally: "don't come to AC if you can't afford it"

Year 2 is 6 digit already..

If you can’t afford to live on 100k, the wage isn’t the issue.

Lol year 2 is 88k bud, wtf are you on about

Year 2 is 94.81

Min guarenteed is 900 Credit

top it with 7-10 sim session paid cash cleared on top of that.

Perdiem average is 1300$ a month, and before you comment < Perdiems are not an income > ... I tried to spend the whole perdiem every day, i was never able. So part of the perdiem is an income, like it or not.

It would be more challenging to try to make as low as 88 than to naturally obtain your 100k honestly.

[thepoors]

Year 2 is 6 digit already..

If you can’t afford to live on 100k, the wage isn’t the issue.

Lol year 2 is 88k bud, wtf are you on about

Year 2 is 94.81

Min guarenteed is 900 Credit

top it with 7-10 sim session paid cash cleared on top of that.

Perdiem average is 1300$ a month, and before you comment < Perdiems are not an income > ... I tried to spend the whole perdiem every day, i was never able. So part of the perdiem is an income, like it or not.

It would be more challenging to try to make as low as 88 than to naturally obtain your 100k honestly.

Cool story. The salary is 88k. So your statement was false. Whatever other mental gymnastics you do to call it "6 digits" is your prerogative..why you would want to, I'm not sure.

[rudder]

Lol year 2 is 88k bud, wtf are you on about

Year 2 is 94.81

Min guarenteed is 900 Credit

top it with 7-10 sim session paid cash cleared on top of that.

Perdiem average is 1300$ a month, and before you comment < Perdiems are not an income > ... I tried to spend the whole perdiem every day, i was never able. So part of the perdiem is an income, like it or not.

It would be more challenging to try to make as low as 88 than to naturally obtain your 100k honestly.

Cool story. The salary is 88k. So your statement was false. Whatever other mental gymnastics you do to call it "6 digits" is your prerogative..why you would want to, I'm not sure.

If you want a legitimate answer to this question - as a first year pilot send a request to Payroll for an Employment Verification Letter. That will include your annual ‘salary’. This and your T4 (or Tax Assessment Summary) are normally the only documentation that a lender will accept as proof of annual Income.

Payroll will not embellish the estimated earnings.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Year 2 is 94.81

Min guarenteed is 900 Credit

top it with 7-10 sim session paid cash cleared on top of that.

Perdiem average is 1300$ a month, and before you comment < Perdiems are not an income > ... I tried to spend the whole perdiem every day, i was never able. So part of the perdiem is an income, like it or not.

It would be more challenging to try to make as low as 88 than to naturally obtain your 100k honestly.

Cool story. The salary is 88k. So your statement was false. Whatever other mental gymnastics you do to call it "6 digits" is your prerogative..why you would want to, I'm not sure.

If you want a legitimate answer to this question - as a first year pilot send a request to Payroll for an Employment Verification Letter. That will include your annual ‘salary’. This and your T4 (or Tax Assessment Summary) are normally the only documentation that a lender will accept as proof of annual Income.

Payroll will not embellish the estimated earnings.

What do you base your 88k on, just curious

[flying4dollars]

What do you base your 88k on, just curious

$94.81/hr x 900 = $85,329. That is the salary. Sure, you can top it with all sorts of thing like unused per diems, SIM sessions if applicable and other means (short call, draft, VO etc.) but the salary alone is $85,329.

In September this year, year 2 is $98.60/hr, which x 900 hours = $88,740.
In September 2026, year 2 is $102.54/hr which x 900 hours = $92,286.

Year 2 DOES NOT pay 6 figures in this collective agreement. There is NO need to inflate these numbers to justify anything.

[thepoors]

What do you base your 88k on, just curious

$94.81/hr x 900 = $85,329. That is the salary. Sure, you can top it with all sorts of thing like unused per diems, SIM sessions if applicable and other means (short call, draft, VO etc.) but the salary alone is $85,329.

In September this year, year 2 is $98.60/hr, which x 900 hours = $88,740.
In September 2026, year 2 is $102.54/hr which x 900 hours = $92,286.

Year 2 DOES NOT pay 6 figures in this collective agreement. There is NO need to inflate these numbers to justify anything.

Someone who gets it. Thank you.

[DanWEC]

Who can live on 100k in Toronto, Vancouver, or Montreal? This is 2025. A big mac, which almost exactly reflects inflation via the Big Mac index in The Economist, is almost 9 bucks.
$100k is an arbitrary amount and peanuts now.

[Man_in_the_sky]

What do you base your 88k on, just curious

$94.81/hr x 900 = $85,329. That is the salary. Sure, you can top it with all sorts of thing like unused per diems, SIM sessions if applicable and other means (short call, draft, VO etc.) but the salary alone is $85,329.

In September this year, year 2 is $98.60/hr, which x 900 hours = $88,740.
In September 2026, year 2 is $102.54/hr which x 900 hours = $92,286.

Year 2 DOES NOT pay 6 figures in this collective agreement. There is NO need to inflate these numbers to justify anything.

Yup, if someone doesn’t go to any mandatory sim / art classes, he MIGHT be heading toward the 88k.

I actually challenge you to have anyone do only 900 credits next year without ANY penny more than what you’re telling everyone.

[Flyboy736]

What do you base your 88k on, just curious

$94.81/hr x 900 = $85,329. That is the salary. Sure, you can top it with all sorts of thing like unused per diems, SIM sessions if applicable and other means (short call, draft, VO etc.) but the salary alone is $85,329.

In September this year, year 2 is $98.60/hr, which x 900 hours = $88,740.
In September 2026, year 2 is $102.54/hr which x 900 hours = $92,286.

Year 2 DOES NOT pay 6 figures in this collective agreement. There is NO need to inflate these numbers to justify anything.

Yup, if someone doesn’t go to any mandatory sim / art classes, he MIGHT be heading toward the 88k.

I actually challenge you to have anyone do only 900 credits next year without ANY penny more than what you’re telling everyone.

Hey Guys you know that mandatory overtime that pilots are forced to do (art/sim)? Yeah that counts towards the basic wage. Also if I choose a $10 sandwich instead of the $20 sandwich those savings goes towards my salary /s.

[flying4dollars]

What do you base your 88k on, just curious

$94.81/hr x 900 = $85,329. That is the salary. Sure, you can top it with all sorts of thing like unused per diems, SIM sessions if applicable and other means (short call, draft, VO etc.) but the salary alone is $85,329.

In September this year, year 2 is $98.60/hr, which x 900 hours = $88,740.
In September 2026, year 2 is $102.54/hr which x 900 hours = $92,286.

Year 2 DOES NOT pay 6 figures in this collective agreement. There is NO need to inflate these numbers to justify anything.

Yup, if someone doesn’t go to any mandatory sim / art classes, he MIGHT be heading toward the 88k.

Did you even read my post? Year 2 pay based on 900 hours is $85k. ART is ONCE a year. factor in a couple sim sessions, if applicable and sure, you're at maybe $86k.

I actually challenge you to have anyone do only 900 credits next year without ANY penny more than what you’re telling everyone.

Bet!! Pretty much any year 2 FO who isn't supplementing their incomes with extraneous duties is making the $85k that the current collective agreement dictates. Ask around, go on...

Why don't you explain to me how, without SUPPLEMENTING your hourly rated salary, you walk away with a GUARANTEED $100k? Remember, per diems are meal reimbursements. If you try and justify pocketing any balance as salary then you're out to lunch. Pun intended but seriously give your head a shake.

[Man_in_the_sky]

$94.81/hr x 900 = $85,329. That is the salary. Sure, you can top it with all sorts of thing like unused per diems, SIM sessions if applicable and other means (short call, draft, VO etc.) but the salary alone is $85,329.

In September this year, year 2 is $98.60/hr, which x 900 hours = $88,740.
In September 2026, year 2 is $102.54/hr which x 900 hours = $92,286.

Year 2 DOES NOT pay 6 figures in this collective agreement. There is NO need to inflate these numbers to justify anything.

Yup, if someone doesn’t go to any mandatory sim / art classes, he MIGHT be heading toward the 88k.

Did you even read my post? Year 2 pay based on 900 hours is $85k. ART is ONCE a year. factor in a couple sim sessions, if applicable and sure, you're at maybe $86k.

I actually challenge you to have anyone do only 900 credits next year without ANY penny more than what you’re telling everyone.

Bet!! Pretty much any year 2 FO who isn't supplementing their incomes with extraneous duties is making the $85k that the current collective agreement dictates. Ask around, go on...

Why don't you explain to me how, without SUPPLEMENTING your hourly rated salary, you walk away with a GUARANTEED $100k? Remember, per diems are meal reimbursements. If you try and justify pocketing any balance as salary then you're out to lunch. Pun intended but seriously give your head a shake.

I know what i’m making without making any overtime. Natural growth and art classe / sim session. But i’ll challenge you to find any year 2 FO that will make 900.0 credit.

[thepoors]

$94.81/hr x 900 = $85,329. That is the salary. Sure, you can top it with all sorts of thing like unused per diems, SIM sessions if applicable and other means (short call, draft, VO etc.) but the salary alone is $85,329.

In September this year, year 2 is $98.60/hr, which x 900 hours = $88,740.
In September 2026, year 2 is $102.54/hr which x 900 hours = $92,286.

Year 2 DOES NOT pay 6 figures in this collective agreement. There is NO need to inflate these numbers to justify anything.

Yup, if someone doesn’t go to any mandatory sim / art classes, he MIGHT be heading toward the 88k.

Did you even read my post? Year 2 pay based on 900 hours is $85k. ART is ONCE a year. factor in a couple sim sessions, if applicable and sure, you're at maybe $86k.

I actually challenge you to have anyone do only 900 credits next year without ANY penny more than what you’re telling everyone.

Bet!! Pretty much any year 2 FO who isn't supplementing their incomes with extraneous duties is making the $85k that the current collective agreement dictates. Ask around, go on...

Why don't you explain to me how, without SUPPLEMENTING your hourly rated salary, you walk away with a GUARANTEED $100k? Remember, per diems are meal reimbursements. If you try and justify pocketing any balance as salary then you're out to lunch. Pun intended but seriously give your head a shake.

The second this moron brought up the pocketing per diems as "salary" argument he lost all credibility. You really can't fix stupid or help someone who is uninterested in helping themselves.

This kind of willful ignorance is why we ended up with the contract we have, and the one before that. Canadian pilots will never learn. For some reason there's a desire to justify shit wawcon as a matter of pride and false ego.

[Me262]

Yup, if someone doesn’t go to any mandatory sim / art classes, he MIGHT be heading toward the 88k.

Did you even read my post? Year 2 pay based on 900 hours is $85k. ART is ONCE a year. factor in a couple sim sessions, if applicable and sure, you're at maybe $86k.

I actually challenge you to have anyone do only 900 credits next year without ANY penny more than what you’re telling everyone.

Bet!! Pretty much any year 2 FO who isn't supplementing their incomes with extraneous duties is making the $85k that the current collective agreement dictates. Ask around, go on...

Why don't you explain to me how, without SUPPLEMENTING your hourly rated salary, you walk away with a GUARANTEED $100k? Remember, per diems are meal reimbursements. If you try and justify pocketing any balance as salary then you're out to lunch. Pun intended but seriously give your head a shake.

The second this moron brought up the pocketing per diems as "salary" argument he lost all credibility. You really can't fix stupid or help someone who is uninterested in helping themselves.

This kind of willful ignorance is why we ended up with the contract we have, and the one before that. Canadian pilots will never learn. For some reason there's a desire to justify shit wawcon as a matter of pride and false ego.

But he TRIED to spend all his daily per diems and he couldn't! There's just so many big macs you can eat in a day, it's just not possible to spend it all!

[Man_in_the_sky]

Did you even read my post? Year 2 pay based on 900 hours is $85k. ART is ONCE a year. factor in a couple sim sessions, if applicable and sure, you're at maybe $86k.



Bet!! Pretty much any year 2 FO who isn't supplementing their incomes with extraneous duties is making the $85k that the current collective agreement dictates. Ask around, go on...

Why don't you explain to me how, without SUPPLEMENTING your hourly rated salary, you walk away with a GUARANTEED $100k? Remember, per diems are meal reimbursements. If you try and justify pocketing any balance as salary then you're out to lunch. Pun intended but seriously give your head a shake.

The second this moron brought up the pocketing per diems as "salary" argument he lost all credibility. You really can't fix stupid or help someone who is uninterested in helping themselves.

This kind of willful ignorance is why we ended up with the contract we have, and the one before that. Canadian pilots will never learn. For some reason there's a desire to justify shit wawcon as a matter of pride and false ego.

But he TRIED to spend all his daily per diems and he couldn't! There's just so many big macs you can eat in a day, it's just not possible to spend it all!

I did ask around, and noone is on track on making 85k. you can call me moron, it doesn't make your argument stronger.

[flying4dollars]

The second this moron brought up the pocketing per diems as "salary" argument he lost all credibility. You really can't fix stupid or help someone who is uninterested in helping themselves.

This kind of willful ignorance is why we ended up with the contract we have, and the one before that. Canadian pilots will never learn. For some reason there's a desire to justify shit wawcon as a matter of pride and false ego.

But he TRIED to spend all his daily per diems and he couldn't! There's just so many big macs you can eat in a day, it's just not possible to spend it all!

I did ask around, and noone is on track on making 85k. you can call me moron, it doesn't make your argument stronger.

I did less than 900 as an FO. How do I know this? Because last year I got the 900hr guarantee top up. You are also missing the point. Year 2 FO pay is $85k/year, not $100k+. That is guaranteed. You cannot count extraneous flying/duties because it is not always guaranteed. Why are you so bent on inflating the salaries to something they aren't? I'm genuinely confused.

[flying4dollars]

Yup, if someone doesn’t go to any mandatory sim / art classes, he MIGHT be heading toward the 88k.

Did you even read my post? Year 2 pay based on 900 hours is $85k. ART is ONCE a year. factor in a couple sim sessions, if applicable and sure, you're at maybe $86k.

I actually challenge you to have anyone do only 900 credits next year without ANY penny more than what you’re telling everyone.

Bet!! Pretty much any year 2 FO who isn't supplementing their incomes with extraneous duties is making the $85k that the current collective agreement dictates. Ask around, go on...

Why don't you explain to me how, without SUPPLEMENTING your hourly rated salary, you walk away with a GUARANTEED $100k? Remember, per diems are meal reimbursements. If you try and justify pocketing any balance as salary then you're out to lunch. Pun intended but seriously give your head a shake.

The second this moron brought up the pocketing per diems as "salary" argument he lost all credibility. You really can't fix stupid or help someone who is uninterested in helping themselves.

This kind of willful ignorance is why we ended up with the contract we have, and the one before that. Canadian pilots will never learn. For some reason there's a desire to justify shit wawcon as a matter of pride and false ego.

Yeah that's spot on. He's delusional

[Man_in_the_sky]

But he TRIED to spend all his daily per diems and he couldn't! There's just so many big macs you can eat in a day, it's just not possible to spend it all!

I did ask around, and noone is on track on making 85k. you can call me moron, it doesn't make your argument stronger.

I did less than 900 as an FO. How do I know this? Because last year I got the 900hr guarantee top up. You are also missing the point. Year 2 FO pay is $85k/year, not $100k+. That is guaranteed. You cannot count extraneous flying/duties because it is not always guaranteed. Why are you so bent on inflating the salaries to something they aren't? I'm genuinely confused.

are you year 2 ? Because year 1 and 2 are MIN 75 credit a month wich would make you never get the 900 top up.. were you on parental ? Sick leave maybe ?

[Man_in_the_sky]

I did ask around, and noone is on track on making 85k. you can call me moron, it doesn't make your argument stronger.

I did less than 900 as an FO. How do I know this? Because last year I got the 900hr guarantee top up. You are also missing the point. Year 2 FO pay is $85k/year, not $100k+. That is guaranteed. You cannot count extraneous flying/duties because it is not always guaranteed. Why are you so bent on inflating the salaries to something they aren't? I'm genuinely confused.

are you year 2 ? Because year 1 and 2 are MIN 75 credit a month wich would make you never get the 900 top up.. were you on parental ? Sick leave maybe ?

I'll admit that, the BARE BARE BARE minimum will be $85,329 Based on 0 training event, 0 block growth on any month.

[flying4dollars]

I did less than 900 as an FO. How do I know this? Because last year I got the 900hr guarantee top up. You are also missing the point. Year 2 FO pay is $85k/year, not $100k+. That is guaranteed. You cannot count extraneous flying/duties because it is not always guaranteed. Why are you so bent on inflating the salaries to something they aren't? I'm genuinely confused.

are you year 2 ? Because year 1 and 2 are MIN 75 credit a month wich would make you never get the 900 top up.. were you on parental ? Sick leave maybe ?

I'll admit that, the BARE BARE BARE minimum will be $85,329 Based on 0 training event, 0 block growth on any month.

Right, and that's the number that is guaranteed. Anything beyond that is not. So telling people the pay is $100k is misleading. I still don't understand why you are so intent on inflating the numbers to make it seem like the pay is higher than it is. As mentioned, this mentality is why we stall in increasing our pay rates. Please stop trying to inflate the numbers. It serves ZERO benefit.