Grievance update for the 285ish former Jazz pilots affected by Flow

[truedude]

Would be a pretty big relief if intervener status is denied. It would indicate that there’s nothing relevant to the AC pilots being discussed. If there was, intervener status must be granted. The AC MEC presented this a few weeks ago, it’s pretty black and white.

Why would it be a relief? And for who? Because this post is AC related for ex jazz that got harmed by AC now following the flow agreement. There is absolutle no relief if they get it denied.

its relief for the current Jazzies who think they will get something out of this

They will be

[Man_in_the_sky]

Of course there will be something for the Jazzies.

Knowledge

The knowledge of what will happen when it’s their turn and they get skipped.

What compensation will they be entitled to, would it be seniority? Will it be 200k+ ?

Will it be 5000 shine ? Who knows

[cdnavater]

Would be a pretty big relief if intervener status is denied. It would indicate that there’s nothing relevant to the AC pilots being discussed. If there was, intervener status must be granted. The AC MEC presented this a few weeks ago, it’s pretty black and white.

Why would it be a relief? And for who? Because this post is AC related for ex jazz that got harmed by AC now following the flow agreement. There is absolutle no relief if they get it denied.

its relief for the current Jazzies who think they will get something out of this

Latest update indicates AC ALPA has decided to sit down and negotiate, I wonder why! Intervenor status denied?
Counsel for all four parties met several times in April, if AC ALPA wasn’t worried about anything, why would they sit down?

[cdnavater]

Of course there will be something for the Jazzies.

Knowledge

The knowledge of what will happen when it’s their turn and they get skipped.

What compensation will they be entitled to, would it be seniority? Will it be 200k+ ?

Will it be 5000 shine ? Who knows

You sure have a one track mind but you’re also dead wrong, maybe you’ll gain a little knowledge out of this!
You think that Jazz ALPA would put all these resources for 285 pilots who now pay their dues to AC ALPA? You sure are a special kind of delusional!
I think the best you can hope for is some kind of seniority resolution, the money will go to Jazz pilots still at Jazz! Feel free to quote me because I plan on saying I told you so when it happens!

[Man_in_the_sky]

They put effort and energy into this because they’re obligated to pursue this. We were on property when that happened. They will spend money, time and ressource because that’s what we are entitled to. Even if it means 3 hawai trip instead if 4 next year.

Also, not alot of us believe it will end in a seniority settlement. we expect a lumpsum

[cdnavater]

They put effort and energy into this because they’re obligated to pursue this. We were on property when that happened. They will spend money, time and ressource because that’s what we are entitled to. Even if it means 3 hawai trip instead if 4 next year.

Also, not alot of us believe it will end in a seniority settlement. we expect a lumpsum

I suppose you’re going to be disappointed then.
If it was a lump sum solution, it would have happened long ago and for the obligation to represent your interest, you could try a duty of fair representation complaint I suppose but I’d say they did.
You are low on the list of priorities, your issue is bolstering the complaint but not the complaint, there are many aspects of the ULP complaint that affected current Jazz pilots and the settlement if any will reflect that.

[Man_in_the_sky]

They put effort and energy into this because they’re obligated to pursue this. We were on property when that happened. They will spend money, time and ressource because that’s what we are entitled to. Even if it means 3 hawai trip instead if 4 next year.

Also, not alot of us believe it will end in a seniority settlement. we expect a lumpsum

I suppose you’re going to be disappointed then.
If it was a lump sum solution, it would have happened long ago and for the obligation to represent your interest, you could try a duty of fair representation complaint I suppose but I’d say they did.
You are low on the list of priorities, your issue is bolstering the complaint but not the complaint, there are many aspects of the ULP complaint that affected current Jazz pilots and the settlement if any will reflect that.

Why don't you post on Jazz forum about the ULP ?

There is legit no mention of it anywhere.. For something THAT big, that's weirds

[cdnavater]

They put effort and energy into this because they’re obligated to pursue this. We were on property when that happened. They will spend money, time and ressource because that’s what we are entitled to. Even if it means 3 hawai trip instead if 4 next year.

Also, not alot of us believe it will end in a seniority settlement. we expect a lumpsum

I suppose you’re going to be disappointed then.
If it was a lump sum solution, it would have happened long ago and for the obligation to represent your interest, you could try a duty of fair representation complaint I suppose but I’d say they did.
You are low on the list of priorities, your issue is bolstering the complaint but not the complaint, there are many aspects of the ULP complaint that affected current Jazz pilots and the settlement if any will reflect that.

Why don't you post on Jazz forum about the ULP ?

There is legit no mention of it anywhere.. For something THAT big, that's weirds

Because there is already a discussion here, it was started in regards to “the 285ish” Jazz pilots who think they are the only pilots affected by the actions of AC management!
You should temper your expectations otherwise you will be very disappointed in the outcome! Good luck!

[Nick678]

They put effort and energy into this because they’re obligated to pursue this. We were on property when that happened. They will spend money, time and ressource because that’s what we are entitled to. Even if it means 3 hawai trip instead if 4 next year.

Also, not alot of us believe it will end in a seniority settlement. we expect a lumpsum

When you start to calculate the value of lost seniority it seems impossible. Pension, lost wages, upgrades. Maybe is there an easy way or just a random number. I guess we’ll see in 10 years when this is finally settled.

[Man_in_the_sky]

They put effort and energy into this because they’re obligated to pursue this. We were on property when that happened. They will spend money, time and ressource because that’s what we are entitled to. Even if it means 3 hawai trip instead if 4 next year.

Also, not alot of us believe it will end in a seniority settlement. we expect a lumpsum

When you start to calculate the value of lost seniority it seems impossible. Pension, lost wages, upgrades. Maybe is there an easy way or just a random number. I guess we’ll see in 10 years when this is finally settled.

In fact, that’s pretty easy to calculate, we all should of been hired by jan as per the flow agreement.

Take the pension’s estimate salary before retirement, so for many of us, that will be 777 CA, and use the 4% and give us the prorated amount we lost in day.

Some smarter people are paid exactly to extrapol those situation.