5 pilots on 737 laid off

[PittBoss]

Coming from horses mouth.5 newly hired laid off. May be start of layoff or unsuccessful training.

Looks like Aviation market correcting it's graph.

[altiplano]

Not true. There are no layoffs presently at AC.

There may have been wash outs, but there are always wash outs... 5 at once is above normal if true, but then that may be a reflection of the present quality/experience level of new hires which has been steadily decreasing.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Not laid off. Let go. Fired.

Laid off implies a shortage of positions.

[digits_]

Not true. There are no layoffs presently at AC.

There may have been wash outs, but there are always wash outs... 5 at once is above normal if true, but then that may be a reflection of the present quality/experience level of new hires which has been steadily decreasing.

Could it be 5 layoffs masked as washouts? Company realizing they sre overstaffed?
Do new pilots have full union protection during initial training?

[fixnfly]

Not true. There are no layoffs presently at AC.

There may have been wash outs, but there are always wash outs... 5 at once is above normal if true, but then that may be a reflection of the present quality/experience level of new hires which has been steadily decreasing.

Could it be 5 layoffs masked as washouts? Company realizing they sre overstaffed?
Do new pilots have full union protection during initial training?

Doesn't make sense that they would fire 5 people to mask that they are overstaffed. If you're overstaffed and you want to layoff, then you go big. 5 people wouldn't make a difference. Plus there would be lower blocking hours and the company would offer block reductions of which neither is happening over the next few months. I can't understand why some people on this forum are addicted to the idea of AC starting layoffs for some reason. There's a massive number of aircraft coming and loads have been extremely full with the exception of some US routes.

[Freshredmeat]

What a stupid ass thread

[digits_]

Not true. There are no layoffs presently at AC.

There may have been wash outs, but there are always wash outs... 5 at once is above normal if true, but then that may be a reflection of the present quality/experience level of new hires which has been steadily decreasing.

Could it be 5 layoffs masked as washouts? Company realizing they sre overstaffed?
Do new pilots have full union protection during initial training?

Doesn't make sense that they would fire 5 people to mask that they are overstaffed. If you're overstaffed and you want to layoff, then you go big. 5 people wouldn't make a difference. Plus there would be lower blocking hours and the company would offer block reductions of which neither is happening over the next few months. I can't understand why some people on this forum are addicted to the idea of AC starting layoffs for some reason. There's a massive number of aircraft coming and loads have been extremely full with the exception of some US routes.

Good points, thank you!

[fish4life]

We can have days where 5 pilots end up on GDIP in the day the compay isn’t going to bother with the paper work to only lay off 5 pilots. It’s barely a rounding error

[Blueontop]

We can have days where 5 pilots end up on GDIP in the day the compay isn’t going to bother with the paper work to only lay off 5 pilots. It’s barely a rounding error

Especially new hire flat payers.

[DanWEC]

Lol, this poster has started so many threads on different topics with a random rumour just to see what happens. Entertaining really.

[flying4dollars]

Not true. There are no layoffs presently at AC.

There may have been wash outs, but there are always wash outs... 5 at once is above normal if true, but then that may be a reflection of the present quality/experience level of new hires which has been steadily decreasing.

Could it be 5 layoffs masked as washouts? Company realizing they sre overstaffed?
Do new pilots have full union protection during initial training?

Doesn't make sense that they would fire 5 people to mask that they are overstaffed. If you're overstaffed and you want to layoff, then you go big. 5 people wouldn't make a difference. Plus there would be lower blocking hours and the company would offer block reductions of which neither is happening over the next few months. I can't understand why some people on this forum are addicted to the idea of AC starting layoffs for some reason. There's a massive number of aircraft coming and loads have been extremely full with the exception of some US routes.

Company has offered VBR's for 320FO and 767 CA/FO.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

I wouldn't read too much into the 767 ones. Air Canada Cargo hasn't been successful.

[flying4dollars]

I wouldn't read too much into the 767 ones. Air Canada Cargo hasn't been successful.

Agreed. I was just correcting an inaccuracy.

[flyingcanuck]

Coming from horses mouth.5 newly hired laid off. May be start of layoff or unsuccessful training.

Looks like Aviation market correcting it's graph.

horses ass maybe. Quit making up shit to stir the pot. The last bid still shows hundreds of vacancies on the NBs.

[PittBoss]

Coming from horses mouth.5 newly hired laid off. May be start of layoff or unsuccessful training.

Looks like Aviation market correcting it's graph.

horses ass maybe. Quit making up shit to stir the pot. The last bid still shows hundreds of vacancies on the NBs.

Then Unsuccessful Training I Guess.

[flying4dollars]

Coming from horses mouth.5 newly hired laid off. May be start of layoff or unsuccessful training.

Looks like Aviation market correcting it's graph.

horses ass maybe. Quit making up shit to stir the pot. The last bid still shows hundreds of vacancies on the NBs.

Then Unsuccessful Training I Guess.

And that was worth making a thread about?

[godsrcrazy]

Could be as simple as down turn in people traveling to the USA. Both West jet and Air Canada are slashing routes right now due to Canadians rebelling.

[cdnavater]

Could be as simple as down turn in people traveling to the USA. Both West jet and Air Canada are slashing routes right now due to Canadians rebelling.

Under what context would a company “fail” 5 pilots while still planning more ground schools, they washed out plain and simple.
I’ll add that it takes quite a bit for a company to cut their losses on training, obviously the future training problems were taken into account!

[landshark]

For Air Canada to lay off pilots, there would need to be a system bid that results in a surplus. Pilots are laid off based on that surplus. They wouldn’t go through the process just to lay off five pilots.

[altiplano]

I’ll add that it takes quite a bit for a company to cut their losses on training, obviously the future training problems were taken into account!

Training failures the company will typically go quite a ways with... eventually the writing is in the wall though and experience levels coming in have never been lower.

I hear we are also seeing some poor choices from some and the company isn't giving any slack if you're on probation.

Sleeping in, missing flights, not being in base for reserve assignments, excessive book-offs, complaining about scheduling, training, position assignment, bases... I'm hearing of these things like never before.

Keep your nose clean for a year, that's all you have to do...

[pelmet]

I’ll add that it takes quite a bit for a company to cut their losses on training, obviously the future training problems were taken into account!

Training failures the company will typically go quite a ways with... eventually the writing is in the wall though and experience levels coming in have never been lower.

I hear we are also seeing some poor choices from some and the company isn't giving any slack if you're on probation.

Sleeping in, missing flights, not being in base for reserve assignments, excessive book-offs, complaining about scheduling, training, position assignment, bases... I'm hearing of these things like never before.

Keep your nose clean for a year, that's all you have to do...

Sounds like they need to fire some of the employees involved in the hiring process.

[Blueontop]

I’ll add that it takes quite a bit for a company to cut their losses on training, obviously the future training problems were taken into account!

Training failures the company will typically go quite a ways with... eventually the writing is in the wall though and experience levels coming in have never been lower.

I hear we are also seeing some poor choices from some and the company isn't giving any slack if you're on probation.

Sleeping in, missing flights, not being in base for reserve assignments, excessive book-offs, complaining about scheduling, training, position assignment, bases... I'm hearing of these things like never before.

Keep your nose clean for a year, that's all you have to do...

Ppl are getting fired for complaining about these things? That seems a little much for all that’s invested from day one through to one year+

[flying4dollars]

I’ll add that it takes quite a bit for a company to cut their losses on training, obviously the future training problems were taken into account!

Training failures the company will typically go quite a ways with... eventually the writing is in the wall though and experience levels coming in have never been lower.

I hear we are also seeing some poor choices from some and the company isn't giving any slack if you're on probation.

Sleeping in, missing flights, not being in base for reserve assignments, excessive book-offs, complaining about scheduling, training, position assignment, bases... I'm hearing of these things like never before.

Keep your nose clean for a year, that's all you have to do...

Ppl are getting fired for complaining about these things? That seems a little much for all that’s invested from day one through to one year+

I don't think anyone's getting let go of from complaining but def training failures and not being in base for reserve assignments etc. Then there's the obvious two who were canned for the social media/glory hole fiasco

[Dry Guy]

They attended a glory hole or they operated it? I'm surprised more new hires aren't doing sex work on the side to pay for on base housing costs. I considered doing OnlyFans myself but I think it would be more like ZeroFans. If I was more of the DEI persuasion though why not. You can make some good coin on there.

[thepoors]

I’ll add that it takes quite a bit for a company to cut their losses on training, obviously the future training problems were taken into account!

Training failures the company will typically go quite a ways with... eventually the writing is in the wall though and experience levels coming in have never been lower.

I hear we are also seeing some poor choices from some and the company isn't giving any slack if you're on probation.

Sleeping in, missing flights, not being in base for reserve assignments, excessive book-offs, complaining about scheduling, training, position assignment, bases... I'm hearing of these things like never before.

Keep your nose clean for a year, that's all you have to do...

I hear through the grapevine, that there's managers in YYZ going around cold calling new hires coming up to the end of probation and issuing various threats. Over things like using sick days, taking parental leave or needing additional training. I'm not sure if termination has been thrown around yet but some have allegedly had probation extended. It's to the point where ALPA legal is getting involved

Probation or not, that's a big overstep if true. Imagine this happening at one of the US legacies... ALPA would smack management so hard it's not even funny. Here management can harass and threaten employees and it's par for the course.