Call off sick

[MaxAuto]

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Call off sick. No one should be forced against their will to be exposed to this perversion. Hold the line against men pretending to be women. Don't allow children to be exposed to this on your flights. This is not about acceptance or inclusion. It's about morality in our society.

Who in the office comes up with these ideas?

[Inverted2]

“Who in the office comes up with these ideas?”

People who are ill in the head. Be a shame if they hit some bad turbulence during its “performance”

[digits_]

If you're trying to make a social or political point, at least have the balls (pun intended) to stand up for it and don't abuse the sick day system.

[Me262]

The shoving it down our throats is despicable. At least there's a ballistic door. I'm sure the paying passengers would be thrilled

[MaxAuto]

If you're trying to make a social or political point, at least have the balls (pun intended) to stand up for it and don't abuse the sick day system.

Only if the union and fellow employees have the balls to back you up as well unlike the unions in the public school system who are jumping over eachother to be more worker than the next person.

It's not abusing the system. It's taking a stand.

[digits_]

If you're trying to make a social or political point, at least have the balls (pun intended) to stand up for it and don't abuse the sick day system.

Only if the union and fellow employees have the balls to back you up as well unlike the unions in the public school system who are jumping over eachother to be more worker than the next person.

It's not abusing the system. It's taking a stand.

Calling in sick when you're not actually sick is abusing the system and should be punished.

As long as what your employer is asking of you is legal and safe, you don't have the right to refuse work. If you still feel you have to refuse work to make a point, then face the consequences. Has it occurred to you the union or other employees might not back you up because they do not have a problem with Flair offering a service to a niche audience? You're asked to fly the plane, which is your job, not participate in the drag show.

[cdnavater]

If you're trying to make a social or political point, at least have the balls (pun intended) to stand up for it and don't abuse the sick day system.

Only if the union and fellow employees have the balls to back you up as well unlike the unions in the public school system who are jumping over eachother to be more worker than the next person.

It's not abusing the system. It's taking a stand.

Calling in sick when you're not actually sick is abusing the system and should be punished.

As long as what your employer is asking of you is legal and safe, you don't have the right to refuse work. If you still feel you have to refuse work to make a point, then face the consequences. Has it occurred to you the union or other employees might not back you up because they do not have a problem with Flair offering a service to a niche audience? You're asked to fly the plane, which is your job, not participate in the drag show.

What you clearly don’t understand about our profession, you are not booking off sick, you are booking off sick”unfit for duty” which is literally anything that you personally feel makes you unfit to do you job! This may very well qualify to someone who feels strongly against this, the company does not have the right to ask what made you unfit, they may ask for a doctors note under certain circumstances, which may disappear since this bogs the medical system down.
There was something on the news recently about banning the sick note because of the volume of appointments that otherwise prevent people from seeing a doctor for an actual medical necessity! Often the doctors note request is after you’ve recovered from whatever it was.

[digits_]

Only if the union and fellow employees have the balls to back you up as well unlike the unions in the public school system who are jumping over eachother to be more worker than the next person.

It's not abusing the system. It's taking a stand.

Calling in sick when you're not actually sick is abusing the system and should be punished.

As long as what your employer is asking of you is legal and safe, you don't have the right to refuse work. If you still feel you have to refuse work to make a point, then face the consequences. Has it occurred to you the union or other employees might not back you up because they do not have a problem with Flair offering a service to a niche audience? You're asked to fly the plane, which is your job, not participate in the drag show.

What you clearly don’t understand about our profession, you are not booking off sick, you are booking off sick”unfit for duty” which is literally anything that you personally feel makes you unfit to do you job! This may very well qualify to someone who feels strongly against this, the company does not have the right to ask what made you unfit, they may ask for a doctors note under certain circumstances, which may disappear since this bogs the medical system down.
There was something on the news recently about banning the sick note because of the volume of appointments that otherwise prevent people from seeing a doctor for an actual medical necessity! Often the doctors note request is after you’ve recovered from whatever it was.

Straight from flair's (expired) contract on negotech:

Sick leave shall mean the period during which a Pilot is unable to report for duty as a result of
illness or injury. During such period the Pilot shall use his sick bank credit , up to five ( 5 ) consecutive
Calendar Days, provided his sick bank has sufficient credit to cover the missed days .

But even at other companies, it would be a stretch to justify this as unfit to fly.
Would you call yourself unfit to fly if you had to fly a rival hockey team or a political opponent? At some point you've got to get your personal feelings under control. If those things truly make you unfit to fly, you shouldn't be flying at all and possibly need some form of therapy.
Use these reasons as a justification for being unfit, and you'll start seeing strict definitions pop up very quickly.

[MaxAuto]

Digits has never called off sick in his/her career if he wasn't really sick. He's so by the book. He never uses discretion in life. No grey areas. He's perfect and honest in every way.

Ever pilot I know calls off sick when they feel sick of flying or whatever reason they need to be somewhere. Use a personal day or call off if you don't have any left. Make some shit up or simply say "I'm booking off sick".

If your religion doesn't support this, take a religious personal day off. Just tell them you're Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or something else because this country doesn't care about your Christian beliefs anymore.

Don't compare rival sports teams to this perversion. This is a moral issue.

[digits_]

This is a moral issue.

It sure is, but not the one you think it is

[MaxAuto]

This is a moral issue.

It sure is, but not the one you think it is

Oh it is the one I think it is and most would agree. A majority of people don't support this.

[digits_]

This is a moral issue.

It sure is, but not the one you think it is

Oh it is the one I think it is and most would agree. A majority of people don't support this.

That's irrelevant.

It's a flight that goes specifically to this event: https://www.gaytravel4u.com/event/guada ... iversidad/

What's wrong with some marketing and have a pre-event in the airplane?

Or would you book off 'sick' for flights to Guadalajara that time a year if there was no drag show on board as well? It would be the same people travelling. To the same event.

[mmm...bacon]

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”


How many times have you flown drag queens in the past without knowing about it, because they were in civvies?
Have you ever flown sex tourists to sunny destinations?
Have you ever flown con artists?
Fraudsters?
White Supremacists?
Drug Dealers?

[Old fella]

Certainly be a good party trip, grand time for sure.

[cdnavater]

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”


How many times have you flown drag queens in the past without knowing about it, because they were in civvies?
Have you ever flown sex tourists to sunny destinations?
Have you ever flown con artists?
Fraudsters?
White Supremacists?
Drug Dealers?

Question bacon! Do the fraudsters, while supremacists, drug dealers, etc tell everyone that they are here and proud and loud?
If the white supremacists came on board in full garb, you’d be ok with that? What if they were going to a big meeting, still ok?

[evilgravy]

I can't believe this is even a topic of discussion here - but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I mean, go ahead and book off if you find it offensive - I'm sure someone will appreciate the OT.

[thepoors]

Digits has never called off sick in his/her career if he wasn't really sick. He's so by the book. He never uses discretion in life. No grey areas. He's perfect and honest in every way.

Ever pilot I know calls off sick when they feel sick of flying or whatever reason they need to be somewhere. Use a personal day or call off if you don't have any left. Make some shit up or simply say "I'm booking off sick".

If your religion doesn't support this, take a religious personal day off. Just tell them you're Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or something else because this country doesn't care about your Christian beliefs anymore.

Don't compare rival sports teams to this perversion. This is a moral issue.

Digits will probably need to book off sick from all the boot polish he's licking.

It's none of the company's business why you're booking off. As federally regulated employees we have the legal right to 10 sick days. If you really want to open that can of worms, then every pilot at every 705 is guilty of booking off when they weren't actually sick. Cdnavater is absolutely correct that if you feel unfit for any reason you are entitled to book off and your union will back you up on that.

[digits_]

Digits has never called off sick in his/her career if he wasn't really sick. He's so by the book. He never uses discretion in life. No grey areas. He's perfect and honest in every way.

Ever pilot I know calls off sick when they feel sick of flying or whatever reason they need to be somewhere. Use a personal day or call off if you don't have any left. Make some shit up or simply say "I'm booking off sick".

If your religion doesn't support this, take a religious personal day off. Just tell them you're Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or something else because this country doesn't care about your Christian beliefs anymore.

Don't compare rival sports teams to this perversion. This is a moral issue.

Digits will probably need to book off sick from all the boot polish he's licking.

It's none of the company's business why you're booking off. As federally regulated employees we have the legal right to 10 sick days. If you really want to open that can of worms, then every pilot at every 705 is guilty of booking off when they weren't actually sick. Cdnavater is absolutely correct that if you feel unfit for any reason you are entitled to book off and your union will back you up on that.

You have the legal right to 10 sick days if you are actually sick.
It's not 10 extra vacation days.

Perhaps some airlines treat it differently, but the quote above from Flair's collective agreement is pretty clear.

No union will back you up if you were honest about the reason why you claim you are unfit in the case we're discussing.

Your employer can absolutely punish you if you start calling sick when you're not sick, or if you are calling yourself unfit to fly for bullshit reasons.

Is it possible that you are so affected by this flight that you are legitimately unfit to operate it? Yes, I suppose it is. But I think we can all agree the OP does not belong to that group and is openly advocating to abuse sick day policy to make a political statement.

[55+]

I can't believe this is even a topic of discussion here - but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I mean, go ahead and book off if you find it offensive - I'm sure someone will appreciate the OT.

I wholeheartedly agree, plenty of nonsense and drivel populates this site and the topic at hand reinforces that.

[cdnavater]

Digits has never called off sick in his/her career if he wasn't really sick. He's so by the book. He never uses discretion in life. No grey areas. He's perfect and honest in every way.

Ever pilot I know calls off sick when they feel sick of flying or whatever reason they need to be somewhere. Use a personal day or call off if you don't have any left. Make some shit up or simply say "I'm booking off sick".

If your religion doesn't support this, take a religious personal day off. Just tell them you're Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or something else because this country doesn't care about your Christian beliefs anymore.

Don't compare rival sports teams to this perversion. This is a moral issue.

Digits will probably need to book off sick from all the boot polish he's licking.

It's none of the company's business why you're booking off. As federally regulated employees we have the legal right to 10 sick days. If you really want to open that can of worms, then every pilot at every 705 is guilty of booking off when they weren't actually sick. Cdnavater is absolutely correct that if you feel unfit for any reason you are entitled to book off and your union will back you up on that.

You have the legal right to 10 sick days if you are actually sick.
It's not 10 extra vacation days.

Perhaps some airlines treat it differently, but the quote above from Flair's collective agreement is pretty clear.

No union will back you up if you were honest about the reason why you claim you are unfit in the case we're discussing.

Your employer can absolutely punish you if you start calling sick when you're not sick, or if you are calling yourself unfit to fly for bullshit reasons.

Is it possible that you are so affected by this flight that you are legitimately unfit to operate it? Yes, I suppose it is. But I think we can all agree the OP does not belong to that group and is openly advocating to abuse sick day policy to make a political statement.

You are using sick but it is not even referred to in the CARs, they simplified it in the current version;
Fitness of Flight Crew Members

602.02 An operator of an aircraft shall not require any person to act as a flight crew member or to carry out a preflight duty, and a person shall not act as a flight crew member or carry out that duty, if the operator or the person has reason to believe that the person is not, or is not likely to be, fit for duty.

the previous version specified;
“Fit for duty means a flight crew member whose ability to act as a flight crew member of an aircraft is not impaired due to fatigue, the consumption of alcohol or drugs or any mental or physical condition”

[JungleRiot]

Digits has never called off sick in his/her career if he wasn't really sick. He's so by the book. He never uses discretion in life. No grey areas. He's perfect and honest in every way.

Ever pilot I know calls off sick when they feel sick of flying or whatever reason they need to be somewhere. Use a personal day or call off if you don't have any left. Make some shit up or simply say "I'm booking off sick".

If your religion doesn't support this, take a religious personal day off. Just tell them you're Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or something else because this country doesn't care about your Christian beliefs anymore.

Don't compare rival sports teams to this perversion. This is a moral issue.

Digits will probably need to book off sick from all the boot polish he's licking.

It's none of the company's business why you're booking off. As federally regulated employees we have the legal right to 10 sick days. If you really want to open that can of worms, then every pilot at every 705 is guilty of booking off when they weren't actually sick. Cdnavater is absolutely correct that if you feel unfit for any reason you are entitled to book off and your union will back you up on that.

You have the legal right to 10 sick days if you are actually sick.
It's not 10 extra vacation days.

Perhaps some airlines treat it differently, but the quote above from Flair's collective agreement is pretty clear.

No union will back you up if you were honest about the reason why you claim you are unfit in the case we're discussing.

Your employer can absolutely punish you if you start calling sick when you're not sick, or if you are calling yourself unfit to fly for bullshit reasons.

Is it possible that you are so affected by this flight that you are legitimately unfit to operate it? Yes, I suppose it is. But I think we can all agree the OP does not belong to that group and is openly advocating to abuse sick day policy to make a political statement.

You must be an absolute jem to fly with

[JungleRiot]

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”


How many times have you flown drag queens in the past without knowing about it, because they were in civvies?
Have you ever flown sex tourists to sunny destinations?
Have you ever flown con artists?
Fraudsters?
White Supremacists?
Drug Dealers?

Note the emphasis on "men"

[digits_]

Digits will probably need to book off sick from all the boot polish he's licking.

It's none of the company's business why you're booking off. As federally regulated employees we have the legal right to 10 sick days. If you really want to open that can of worms, then every pilot at every 705 is guilty of booking off when they weren't actually sick. Cdnavater is absolutely correct that if you feel unfit for any reason you are entitled to book off and your union will back you up on that.

You have the legal right to 10 sick days if you are actually sick.
It's not 10 extra vacation days.

Perhaps some airlines treat it differently, but the quote above from Flair's collective agreement is pretty clear.

No union will back you up if you were honest about the reason why you claim you are unfit in the case we're discussing.

Your employer can absolutely punish you if you start calling sick when you're not sick, or if you are calling yourself unfit to fly for bullshit reasons.

Is it possible that you are so affected by this flight that you are legitimately unfit to operate it? Yes, I suppose it is. But I think we can all agree the OP does not belong to that group and is openly advocating to abuse sick day policy to make a political statement.

You are using sick but it is not even referred to in the CARs, they simplified it in the current version;
Fitness of Flight Crew Members

602.02 An operator of an aircraft shall not require any person to act as a flight crew member or to carry out a preflight duty, and a person shall not act as a flight crew member or carry out that duty, if the operator or the person has reason to believe that the person is not, or is not likely to be, fit for duty.

the previous version specified;
“Fit for duty means a flight crew member whose ability to act as a flight crew member of an aircraft is not impaired due to fatigue, the consumption of alcohol or drugs or any mental or physical condition”

I know the CARs don't limit the fitness to being sick, but Flair's collective (at least the version on negotech) does limit the use of sick days for actual illness and sickness. I don't think abusing those days will go over easy.

Just because you might be able to get away with lying and abusing a safety system, doesn't mean that what you're doing is right. And every time the system gets abused, it gets just that tiny little bit harder for future pilots to use the system as intended.

[cdnavater]

You have the legal right to 10 sick days if you are actually sick.
It's not 10 extra vacation days.

Perhaps some airlines treat it differently, but the quote above from Flair's collective agreement is pretty clear.

No union will back you up if you were honest about the reason why you claim you are unfit in the case we're discussing.

Your employer can absolutely punish you if you start calling sick when you're not sick, or if you are calling yourself unfit to fly for bullshit reasons.

Is it possible that you are so affected by this flight that you are legitimately unfit to operate it? Yes, I suppose it is. But I think we can all agree the OP does not belong to that group and is openly advocating to abuse sick day policy to make a political statement.

You are using sick but it is not even referred to in the CARs, they simplified it in the current version;
Fitness of Flight Crew Members

602.02 An operator of an aircraft shall not require any person to act as a flight crew member or to carry out a preflight duty, and a person shall not act as a flight crew member or carry out that duty, if the operator or the person has reason to believe that the person is not, or is not likely to be, fit for duty.

the previous version specified;
“Fit for duty means a flight crew member whose ability to act as a flight crew member of an aircraft is not impaired due to fatigue, the consumption of alcohol or drugs or any mental or physical condition”

I know the CARs don't limit the fitness to being sick, but Flair's collective (at least the version on negotech) does limit the use of sick days for actual illness and sickness. I don't think abusing those days will go over easy.

Just because you might be able to get away with lying and abusing a safety system, doesn't mean that what you're doing is right. And every time the system gets abused, it gets just that tiny little bit harder for future pilots to use the system as intended.

No it doesn’t, because if a pilot says they are unfit, the company cannot let them fly, it’s in the CARs, look it up. Both sides have a responsibility and if a pilot says they are unfit and the company pressures them to fly anyway, it’s a violation of the CARs.
I personally don’t care what word you use, unfit, sick, sore eyes, really doesn’t matter the regs are clear, unfit is unfit and mentally unfit does in fact qualify. So, if the OP really is against that type of lifestyle and feels strongly against it, that would be a perfectly acceptable option. The rules are also clear, they cannot ask why you are unfit.

[digits_]

You are using sick but it is not even referred to in the CARs, they simplified it in the current version;
Fitness of Flight Crew Members

602.02 An operator of an aircraft shall not require any person to act as a flight crew member or to carry out a preflight duty, and a person shall not act as a flight crew member or carry out that duty, if the operator or the person has reason to believe that the person is not, or is not likely to be, fit for duty.

the previous version specified;
“Fit for duty means a flight crew member whose ability to act as a flight crew member of an aircraft is not impaired due to fatigue, the consumption of alcohol or drugs or any mental or physical condition”

I know the CARs don't limit the fitness to being sick, but Flair's collective (at least the version on negotech) does limit the use of sick days for actual illness and sickness. I don't think abusing those days will go over easy.

Just because you might be able to get away with lying and abusing a safety system, doesn't mean that what you're doing is right. And every time the system gets abused, it gets just that tiny little bit harder for future pilots to use the system as intended.

No it doesn’t, because if a pilot says they are unfit, the company cannot let them fly, it’s in the CARs, look it up. Both sides have a responsibility and if a pilot says they are unfit and the company pressures them to fly anyway, it’s a violation of the CARs.
I personally don’t care what word you use, unfit, sick, sore eyes, really doesn’t matter the regs are clear, unfit is unfit and mentally unfit does in fact qualify. So, if the OP really is against that type of lifestyle and feels strongly against it, that would be a perfectly acceptable option. The rules are also clear, they cannot ask why you are unfit.

Who says they cannot ask?

If you were to call unfit every Sunday, they would not ask? If you were to call unfit every holiday, they would not ask? Nothing would happen?


And yes, if he truly is unfit due to the circumstances, by all means call unfit. But again, that's not the topic under discussion. I would however seriously question ones suitability for a job in the cockpit if your passenger's life choices make you unable to do your job...