Will Jazz try the TFW route?

[hithere]

Now that Encore got government approval for TFW(temporary foreign worker) to help alleviate its Captain shortage, how long before Jazz tries the same thing?

[goingnowherefast]

Depends if Encore has any success with the program
1. Who wants to come to Canada and fly a regional pilot schedule for 120 grand/yr? Will they even have many foreign applicants?
2. Is it worth really pissing off the union and the pilot group?
3. Does the Jazz CBA even allow it?

[Inverted2]

It could happen. The optics would be bad. The pay isn’t likely to attract anyone with experience. Jazz is flush with first officers. Plus they would have to pass all the training. It’s a little more involved than Tim Hortons hiring drive thru workers.

[Canoehead]

Jazz has dabbled with DEC in the past (that's what Jazz needs; Captains), and the success rates were pretty low. A true DEC training program doesn't exist. From a training standpoint, the standard is pretty high and there would be no bend from a training standpoint by the Jazz Training group in general.

Admitting TFWs (if even allowed by the CBA) would likely not end well.

[canadianfly]

Depends if Encore has any success with the program
1. Who wants to come to Canada and fly a regional pilot schedule for 120 grand/yr? Will they even have many foreign applicants?
2. Is it worth really pissing off the union and the pilot group?
3. Does the Jazz CBA even allow it?

Foreign workers don't really care about the pay or sched, what they need is a fast track entry point to Canada.

[goingnowherefast]

Jazz has dabbled with DEC in the past (that's what Jazz needs; Captains), and the success rates were pretty low. A true DEC training program doesn't exist. From a training standpoint, the standard is pretty high and there would be no bend from a training standpoint by the Jazz Training group in general.

Admitting TFWs (if even allowed by the CBA) would likely not end well.

Why were the success rates low? Was Jazz hiring 5000hr captains from other airlines?

Encore (or Jazz) bring in TFW as DEC, is anyone from Europe or Asia, Middle-East, certainly not Americans with the necessary experience even interested in Canadian pilot pay? It's a world wide shortage of qualified pilots. Not like they're dangling immigration on this either, it's TEMPORARY foreign workers. They have to go home afterwards.

[Canoehead]

Jazz has dabbled with DEC in the past (that's what Jazz needs; Captains), and the success rates were pretty low. A true DEC training program doesn't exist. From a training standpoint, the standard is pretty high and there would be no bend from a training standpoint by the Jazz Training group in general.

Admitting TFWs (if even allowed by the CBA) would likely not end well.

Why were the success rates low? Was Jazz hiring 5000hr captains from other airlines?

Many reasons why, and generally, no the time wasn't that high, but in some cases yes.

[prop2jet]

I am not aware of any provisions within the Jazz CBA that would allow for a TFW. Provision is made for experienced pilots who are present when introducing a new type to the fleet. Given the nature of labour contracts in this country the typical scenario where a TFW shows up on contract working for a higher pay ... would not "fly".

[rudder]

If past is prologue, then most Pilot TFW candidates (Sunwing excepted - seasonal only) are subscribed for the purpose of progressing to PR status then further progressing to citizenship status. Recent changes to federal immigration policy may have interrupted that progression.

If Jazz were to go the TFW route for DEC then the transition to becoming GGN 2.0 will be complete.

If AC pays a year 1 220 CA @ $274/hr, then starting a Part 705 (76 seat) CA @ $110/hr is ridiculous and entirely causal regarding challenges in attracting/retaining experienced domestic pilots.

One can have a credible argument about whether top pay at Jazz is reasonable (separate from the absurdity of an 18 year CA pay scale), but there remains an indisputable deficiency in the year 1-6 rates (both CA and FO). The continued methodology of severely discounting the pay for the junior cadre is at the core of the pilot recruitment/retention/experience challenge.

If the Jazz CA pay scale was compressed to 12 years using current year 17 pay as year 12 pay, and then decayed by 2% per year of service on the pay grid, then the current year 1 CA pay at Jazz would become $135/hr. After July 2025, that rate would be $141/hr. At a 1% decay, those rates would be $151/158 respectively. Still a far cry from US rates on the same airplanes, but at least moving in the right direction.

Any airline trying to sell starting CA positions at grossly discounted rates is obviously going to face staffing problems which in turn create operational challenges. Experienced pilots expect commensurate compensation. There are airlines in Canada where this philosophy is in practice.

[Me262]

If AC pays a year 1 220 CA @ $274/hr, then starting a Part 705 (76 seat) CA @ $110/hr is ridiculous and entirely causal regarding challenges in attracting/retaining experienced domestic pilots.

Anything less than 80% of AC 220 CA and FO payscales is a disgrace for a 705 regional (that flies as much as 1000NM leg distances)

[Man_in_the_sky]

If AC pays a year 1 220 CA @ $274/hr, then starting a Part 705 (76 seat) CA @ $110/hr is ridiculous and entirely causal regarding challenges in attracting/retaining experienced domestic pilots.

Anything less than 80% of AC 220 CA and FO payscales is a disgrace for a 705 regional (that flies as much as 1000NM leg distances)

Are those the % used by US regional VS legacy carrier ?

[aviran9111]

Now that Encore got government approval for TFW(temporary foreign worker) to help alleviate its Captain shortage, how long before Jazz tries the same thing?

I seriously doubt it. They have denied me because I have open work permit. They want either a permanent resident (which I am waiting for, slow process) or citizenship.

I mean if the federal government adapt the OHRC, which the previous one had discussion off, than immigration status will become a federally protected ground, and we already have the highest court in Ontario confirming that for 99% of the jobs, unless it's required by the law, it's illegal to require PR/citizenship in Ontario, than and only than, the TFW will be a thing.

[mmm...bacon]

Depends if Encore has any success with the program
1. Who wants to come to Canada and fly a regional pilot schedule for 120 grand/yr? Will they even have many foreign applicants?

South Africans?