Multiple Job Offers

[Captain_Coward]

Hey all,

At the point in my career where im looking to make the jump from 704 Ops to 705 Ops (Thinking AC, Westjet, Porter, etc)
Is it a bad idea to send out multiple resumes to companies at the same time? I dont want to get one job offer working for WJ lets say then a few weeks later get another job offer for AC and have to turn it down.

Not interested in burning any bridges with any prospective employer so just looking for opinions on others experiences.

Thanks.

[dustyroads]

Hey all,

At the point in my career where im looking to make the jump from 704 Ops to 705 Ops (Thinking AC, Westjet, Porter, etc)
Is it a bad idea to send out multiple resumes to companies at the same time? I dont want to get one job offer working for WJ lets say then a few weeks later get another job offer for AC and have to turn it down.

Not interested in burning any bridges with any prospective employer so just looking for opinions on others experiences.

Thanks.

Each of those organizations have different cultures. Pick the culture you would most align with and apply there. You wouldn’t get multiple offers as the type of person you are would be good for one and not so good for the others.

[digits_]

If you're in a hurry: apply everywhere and accept the first offer that meets your minimum requirements.

If you're not in a hurry: apply at your favorite operator first.

Note that most (every?) company will expect some brownnosing where you try to convince them it's been your life long dream to work for them. It would leave a bad impression if you were to accept WJ's offer, and then don't show up because AC called you back after all.

Then again, if you don't want to work at WJ, that's likely not something you should care about.

And unless you are a complete asshole, even after a couple of years I doubt anyone would still care. But you never know.

[vanislepilot]

Who cares if you're in ground school and quit to go somewhere better

It’s nothing personal it’s just business brotha
You cost less than 3 turbine blades

[Tbayer2021]

Who cares if you're in ground school and quit to go somewhere better

It’s nothing personal it’s just business brotha
You cost less than 3 turbine blades

Right there with you! The company won't hesitate to lay you off just because you "chose" them. Plenty of pilots got the boot during initial ground school and sim a few years ago.

[tbaylx]

Who cares if you're in ground school and quit to go somewhere better

It’s nothing personal it’s just business brotha
You cost less than 3 turbine blades

This is not very good advice in my opinion. A company has planned the ground school and matched sim partners and numbers for the class. Quitting in the middle of the groundschool has also denied that spot to another candidate who wanted the job.

The industry is smaller than you think and conducting yourself in a professional manner will set you up for future success and opportunities.

[phenix]

Who cares if you're in ground school and quit to go somewhere better

It’s nothing personal it’s just business brotha
You cost less than 3 turbine blades

Right there with you! The company won't hesitate to lay you off just because you "chose" them. Plenty of pilots got the boot during initial ground school and sim a few years ago.

+1
People leave during training, people leave during line indoc, people leave during the course of their employment. For personal reasons, because they don’t like it, because they’d rather be elsewhere.
Airlines of reasonable size don’t have the time nor the pettiness to hold grudges against employees who decided to leave. It’s their life and their career. In the same way, your employer will fire you if you don’t pass line indoc. There will be retraining, there will be help, but if you don’t meet the standard, you will be fired. Even if you moved across the country for the job, even if you turned down good opportunities for that job, even if you have a mortgage and a family.

Pilots have a tendency to create their own problems with the “it’s a small industry”, but no one is expecting you to be loyal to the point of staying when you don’t want to, for the only sake of being nice. Or no one should.
If a company had a problem with that, they would remove the probation period. If they keep it, that means they are comfortable with parting ways in the early stages of employment.

[digits_]

has also denied that spot to another candidate who wanted the job.

That argument doesn't hold much water.

You also:
- opened up a job at the company you left
- will be opening up the job at your new company you are planning on leaving

On average the same amount of people will be getting jobs. It might work out well for some, and be bad timing for others. But in no way should that particular argument affect your decision.

[Hangry]

Who cares if you're in ground school and quit to go somewhere better

It’s nothing personal it’s just business brotha
You cost less than 3 turbine blades

This is not very good advice in my opinion. A company has planned the ground school and matched sim partners and numbers for the class. Quitting in the middle of the groundschool has also denied that spot to another candidate who wanted the job.

The industry is smaller than you think and conducting yourself in a professional manner will set you up for future success and opportunities.

You’re the last person anyone should take any advice from. Did it leave a scar? How big was it? The scarlet S endures.

[vanislepilot]

Who cares if you're in ground school and quit to go somewhere better

It’s nothing personal it’s just business brotha
You cost less than 3 turbine blades

This is not very good advice in my opinion. A company has planned the ground school and matched sim partners and numbers for the class. Quitting in the middle of the groundschool has also denied that spot to another candidate who wanted the job.

The industry is smaller than you think and conducting yourself in a professional manner will set you up for future success and opportunities.

It’s actually the best advice, I’ll never forget when a chief pilot was giving me grief for leaving only for them to take another job a month later

Why does “burning a bridge” behind you matter if you have the golden gate bridge in front of you

[tbaylx]

Who cares if you're in ground school and quit to go somewhere better

It’s nothing personal it’s just business brotha
You cost less than 3 turbine blades

This is not very good advice in my opinion. A company has planned the ground school and matched sim partners and numbers for the class. Quitting in the middle of the groundschool has also denied that spot to another candidate who wanted the job.

The industry is smaller than you think and conducting yourself in a professional manner will set you up for future success and opportunities.

It’s actually the best advice, I’ll never forget when a chief pilot was giving me grief for leaving only for them to take another job a month later

Why does “burning a bridge” behind you matter if you have the golden gate bridge in front of you

Because sometimes when you get to the other side of that golden bridge, you find it isn't what you thought it was, or perhaps you're involuntarily laid off from your shiny new job and want another one.
Burn as many bridges as you'd like, but you may find that strategy backfires.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Chief pilots at majors talk to each other fairly frequently. Play it cool.

[flieslikeachicken]

You’re the last person anyone should take any advice from. Did it leave a scar? How big was it? The scarlet S endures.

Don't let preconceived notions prevent you from accepting good advice. The industry only has a couple of major players and management all started the same way we did and have friends at other airlines.

[Hangry]

You’re the last person anyone should take any advice from. Did it leave a scar? How big was it? The scarlet S endures.

Don't let preconceived notions prevent you from accepting good advice. The industry only has a couple of major players and management all started the same way we did and have friends at other airlines.

The notions I have about this individual are hardly perceived. Real company heavy hitters don’t care what he says. WJ management would love this guy back though. How else are they going to try to destroy the union again?

[flieslikeachicken]

The notions I have about this individual are hardly perceived. Real company heavy hitters don’t care what he says. WJ management would love this guy back though. How else are they going to try to destroy the union again?

The word I used was preconceived. I assume that it might change how you interpret what I said when you reread it.

[cdnavater]

The notions I have about this individual are hardly perceived. Real company heavy hitters don’t care what he says. WJ management would love this guy back though. How else are they going to try to destroy the union again?

The word I used was preconceived. I assume that it might change how you interpret what I said when you reread it.

I’m going to suggest perhaps your use of preconceived notion is not appropriate when describing accepting advice from this individual, however I will agree that the industry is small and word can get around. I don’t know what his standing is with his peers but knowing what I know of his actions, if he called me to tell me about another pilots actions I would dismiss the call. I have had calls from CPs of shady companies about a pilot headed my way, I hired them because they quit said company, showed integrity of which tbaylx is lacking!

Definition;
Preconceived notions are opinions or judgments formed before having enough information or experience. They can be based on stereotypes, biases, or assumptions, and they can significantly influence how we perceive and interact with the world. While they can help us make quick judgments, they can also limit our understanding and create barriers

[flieslikeachicken]

The notions I have about this individual are hardly perceived. Real company heavy hitters don’t care what he says. WJ management would love this guy back though. How else are they going to try to destroy the union again?

The word I used was preconceived. I assume that it might change how you interpret what I said when you reread it.

I’m going to suggest perhaps your use of preconceived notion is not appropriate when describing accepting advice from this individual, however I will agree that the industry is small and word can get around. I don’t know what his standing is with his peers but knowing what I know of his actions, if he called me to tell me about another pilots actions I would dismiss the call. I have had calls from CPs of shady companies about a pilot headed my way, I hired them because they quit said company, showed integrity of which tbaylx is lacking!

Definition;
Preconceived notions are opinions or judgments formed before having enough information or experience. They can be based on stereotypes, biases, or assumptions, and they can significantly influence how we perceive and interact with the world. While they can help us make quick judgments, they can also limit our understanding and create barriers

Here's the advice that Tbaylx gave:

A company has planned the ground school and matched sim partners and numbers for the class. Quitting in the middle of the groundschool has also denied that spot to another candidate who wanted the job.

The industry is smaller than you think and conducting yourself in a professional manner will set you up for future success and opportunities.

If you think that is bad advice just because it comes from tbay, you need to learn how to make decisions with logic instead of emotion.

[Captain_Coward]

Okay… thanks all for the input and advice. I don’t know where this all derailed into what should be a Private Message between two people who clearly have history with each other.

But thank you to the people who were able to help

[cdnavater]

The word I used was preconceived. I assume that it might change how you interpret what I said when you reread it.

I’m going to suggest perhaps your use of preconceived notion is not appropriate when describing accepting advice from this individual, however I will agree that the industry is small and word can get around. I don’t know what his standing is with his peers but knowing what I know of his actions, if he called me to tell me about another pilots actions I would dismiss the call. I have had calls from CPs of shady companies about a pilot headed my way, I hired them because they quit said company, showed integrity of which tbaylx is lacking!

Definition;
Preconceived notions are opinions or judgments formed before having enough information or experience. They can be based on stereotypes, biases, or assumptions, and they can significantly influence how we perceive and interact with the world. While they can help us make quick judgments, they can also limit our understanding and create barriers

Here's the advice that Tbaylx gave:

A company has planned the ground school and matched sim partners and numbers for the class. Quitting in the middle of the groundschool has also denied that spot to another candidate who wanted the job.

The industry is smaller than you think and conducting yourself in a professional manner will set you up for future success and opportunities.

If you think that is bad advice just because it comes from tbay, you need to learn how to make decisions with logic instead of emotion.

Sometimes it’s the messenger and not the message, it’s very hypocritical of him to talk of anything professional!

[flying4dollars]

Hey all,

At the point in my career where im looking to make the jump from 704 Ops to 705 Ops (Thinking AC, Westjet, Porter, etc)
Is it a bad idea to send out multiple resumes to companies at the same time? I dont want to get one job offer working for WJ lets say then a few weeks later get another job offer for AC and have to turn it down.

Not interested in burning any bridges with any prospective employer so just looking for opinions on others experiences.

Thanks.

Each of those organizations have different cultures. Pick the culture you would most align with and apply there. You wouldn’t get multiple offers as the type of person you are would be good for one and not so good for the others.

This! Can't stress enough how important this is. You'll end up complaining about everything otherwise. When I was at my previous employer, I flew with a guy who came from WJ and all I heard about was how much better it was there and how shitty things were here and I had to ask why he even came. His answer was "for the quick upgrade". Wrong reason if you ask me, but it was toxic. I decided to refrain from conversation outside of SOP's after that moment.

Please do what dustyroads advised and don't be the guy in my experience. If you apply at all those places and get a call from all of them, I'd say interview everywhere and if you get offers, decide what fits you best.

[‘Bob’]

Hey all,

At the point in my career where im looking to make the jump from 704 Ops to 705 Ops (Thinking AC, Westjet, Porter, etc)
Is it a bad idea to send out multiple resumes to companies at the same time? I dont want to get one job offer working for WJ lets say then a few weeks later get another job offer for AC and have to turn it down.

Not interested in burning any bridges with any prospective employer so just looking for opinions on others experiences.

Thanks.

Each of those organizations have different cultures. Pick the culture you would most align with and apply there. You wouldn’t get multiple offers as the type of person you are would be good for one and not so good for the others.

Haha! I know EMPIRICALLY that that is not the case.

Thanks for the laugh.

[‘Bob’]

Who cares if you're in ground school and quit to go somewhere better

It’s nothing personal it’s just business brotha
You cost less than 3 turbine blades

This is not very good advice in my opinion. A company has planned the ground school and matched sim partners and numbers for the class. Quitting in the middle of the groundschool has also denied that spot to another candidate who wanted the job.

The industry is smaller than you think and conducting yourself in a professional manner will set you up for future success and opportunities.

You’re the last person anyone should take any advice from. Did it leave a scar? How big was it? The scarlet S endures.

You two deserve each other.

If anyone thinks that airline pilots are professionals and should be paid as such, this is Exhibit A of why that's not the case.

[737Drver]

Here's the relationships:

Corporation:

Will extract as much from you for as little as possible. Watch out for pilot shills who buy into this. Not to be trusted.

Union:

Fight for collective agreements that allow members to work as little as possible for as much as possible. Be wary of saviors who say they will do this for you while they get personal grabs for themselves (free SUVs, paid displacement to avoid flying, trips, etc). True strong contracts are built from collective action. Not office parties in kitchens paid for by the members.

New Candidate:

Go to the highest bidder. True loyalty is with your family. Filling up ground schools or dropping out last minute isn't your problem. Taking care of your loved ones is.

Company:

Offer competitive packages that attract top candidates. Calling it a loyalty problem, training bonds, or any other scheme to fight against pure labour economics should be seen as what it is...a scheme to @#$! employees. I'd be wary of such employers.