2025 Pilot Recruitment

[cygair]

Dear AT friends,

What's up for pilot recruitment in this early 2025 ?
Any ground school planned ... ?

[rra]

Curious about this as well, how long does it usually take to hear back from recruiters?

[charco21]

There is one gs per month. Lately there is arround 4 pilots per gs (6 for february).
No idea if it's gonna increase later this year

[Zhangxs]

As I know, 4 for March and they have just started the GS.

[GAPILOT]

Hey everyone. Hope you're all doing fantastic. Any idea on how long does it usually take for AT to respond after applying? Thanks

[av8er1990]

Curious about this as well, how long does it usually take to hear back from recruiters?

i got a reply in a month from the time i applied, but i was turned down at the application stage. I have TT 4500 hrs jet . Dunno what they looking for.

[avcanada1558]

Got a pfo the day after applying lol

[DanWEC]

Only know about referrals, but those are contacted in about 2 weeks, a phone interview soon after, and an in-person a few weeks after that.
As always when times are meh, referrals are absolutely golden.

[captaincro]

Anyone has been cntacted for the hiring process lately ?

What are your hours ?

Cheers,

H

[dustyroads]

Anyone has been cntacted for the hiring process lately ?

What are your hours ?

Cheers,

H

Sadly it’s not the hours but it’s who you know that gets you in most companies. I’ve see it at my 703 ops where low time first officers get in but captains didn’t. It’s like that in every occupation though. It’s how society unfortunately operates. And it’s why every occupation has some weak employees, they didn’t get in because of their skills.

[captaincro]

Anyone has been cntacted for the hiring process lately ?

What are your hours ?

Cheers,

H

Sadly it’s not the hours but it’s who you know that gets you in most companies. I’ve see it at my 703 ops where low time first officers get in but captains didn’t. It’s like that in every occupation though. It’s how society unfortunately operates. And it’s why every occupation has some weak employees, they didn’t get in because of their skills.

Thanks for your feedback. Feels like it's everywhere the same and that we will end up once again with a PIC shortage with no-one to upgrade due to low XP ...

[DanWEC]

Actual reason is very little hiring this year, only 20 something so far in 2025 which is a fraction of normal. No growth in the total roster due to grounded tails and waiting on new deliveries.

[lowoleo22]

Are they still paying poverty wages less than AC?

[Core]

Oh it's really low. Not Cargojet low, but low. Currently takes over 4 years to break 100k, and upgrades are about 7-8 years.

Here's an example compared to AC- After 8 years at Transat, you upgrade on an A330, You make $202/hr, or $194.5k/yr.
You upgrade at AC onto a fricken 220, at a fair year 3, and you're at $291/hr, or about $280k/yr, with 15% less paycheque deductions!

Transat needs a 45% increase on the A330 just to match a NB 220. (Not even considering the 15% more takehome at AC).

Want to compare to the AC 330? Ha! $370k a year? So Transat needs a 90% increase to match. Not even in the same galaxy. But, it takes half the YOS, whether that matters or not.

Current lifestyle will be totally irrelevant as more tails and destinations come. They'll be working just as much as AC for CJ money unless they buck up in a major way.

Their contract expired 4 months ago, so take these numbers with a grain of salt as they're on their way out, but Hmm, I wonder if Tim Perry is willing to go to jail to support his members like Hancock was?

If anyone has any corrections to my assessment, please feel free to comment, I don't work at AT, but from the pay scales and the YOS, this is accurate to me, and a rising tide lifts all boats.

[DanWEC]

Yup.
4 years ago our pay was better than AC's in some respects. Now, after major inflation, and gains by AC, WJ, and POE, we're left scraping the bottom until the negots finish, and it's taking a while.

I've also heard of guys here who don't understand that we need to be asking for big percentages, (They definitely don't live in YYZ.) referencing lifestyle as a chattel- forgetting our current, amazing lifestyle isn't enforced by contract, rather a symptom of an unoptimized schedule that's far from guaranteed looking forward.

I'm a big fan of how leapfrogging and pattern bargaining is actually going for once, but we're all watching pretty closely to see which way the government is going to tack regarding interference after getting exposed for colluding with AC via sec 107.

[Localizer]

Oh it's really low. Not Cargojet low, but low. Currently takes over 4 years to break 100k, and upgrades are about 7-8 years.

Here's an example compared to AC- After 8 years at Transat, you upgrade on an A330, You make $202/hr, or $194.5k/yr.
You upgrade at AC onto a fricken 220, at a fair year 3, and you're at $291/hr, or about $280k/yr, with 15% less paycheque deductions!

Transat needs a 45% increase on the A330 just to match a NB 220. (Not even considering the 15% more takehome at AC).

Want to compare to the AC 330? Ha! $370k a year? So Transat needs a 90% increase to match. Not even in the same galaxy. But, it takes half the YOS, whether that matters or not.

Current lifestyle will be totally irrelevant as more tails and destinations come. They'll be working just as much as AC for CJ money unless they buck up in a major way.

Their contract expired 4 months ago, so take these numbers with a grain of salt as they're on their way out, but Hmm, I wonder if Tim Perry is willing to go to jail to support his members like Hancock was?

If anyone has any corrections to my assessment, please feel free to comment, I don't work at AT, but from the pay scales and the YOS, this is accurate to me, and a rising tide lifts all boats.

Why don't we wait and see what a TA looks like before tossing shit like a bunch of monkeys?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Oh it's really low. Not Cargojet low, but low. Currently takes over 4 years to break 100k, and upgrades are about 7-8 years.

Here's an example compared to AC- After 8 years at Transat, you upgrade on an A330, You make $202/hr, or $194.5k/yr.
You upgrade at AC onto a fricken 220, at a fair year 3, and you're at $291/hr, or about $280k/yr, with 15% less paycheque deductions!

Transat needs a 45% increase on the A330 just to match a NB 220. (Not even considering the 15% more takehome at AC).

Want to compare to the AC 330? Ha! $370k a year? So Transat needs a 90% increase to match. Not even in the same galaxy. But, it takes half the YOS, whether that matters or not.

Current lifestyle will be totally irrelevant as more tails and destinations come. They'll be working just as much as AC for CJ money unless they buck up in a major way.

Their contract expired 4 months ago, so take these numbers with a grain of salt as they're on their way out, but Hmm, I wonder if Tim Perry is willing to go to jail to support his members like Hancock was?

If anyone has any corrections to my assessment, please feel free to comment, I don't work at AT, but from the pay scales and the YOS, this is accurate to me, and a rising tide lifts all boats.

Why don't we wait and see what a TA looks like before tossing shit like a bunch of monkeys?

Where’s the fun in that? lol.

[Core]

Maybe I was a little emphatic about it, and sorry if that came across as blustery, but how is anything I posted off the mark or wrong? I'm just going by the published numbers. If there's more to it, please correct me, all good. This is just what I see.

[Centennial-College]

Maybe I was a little emphatic about it, and sorry if that came across as blustery, but how is anything I posted off the mark or wrong? I'm just going by the published numbers. If there's more to it, please correct me, all good. This is just what I see.

Not sure how you're calculating that it would take 90% increase to match 330 rates. Current Transat top pay is 268/h. It would take approximately a 38% increase to bring that up to 370K a year and a 30% increase to match WJ top rate on the 787. I would wager Transat will end up somewhere in between, as they historically have.

[Core]

Maybe I was a little emphatic about it, and sorry if that came across as blustery, but how is anything I posted off the mark or wrong? I'm just going by the published numbers. If there's more to it, please correct me, all good. This is just what I see.

Not sure how you're calculating that it would take 90% increase to match 330 rates. Current Transat top pay is 268/h. It would take approximately a 38% increase to bring that up to 370K a year and a 30% increase to match WJ top rate on the 787. I would wager Transat will end up somewhere in between, as they historically have.

Transat doesn't transfer over years of service. If you're there for 15 years and go 330 captain you start at year 2 scale. You will be at $202/hr while if you did the same at AC you're $396/hr. Apples to apples.

So I was actually wrong- you need a **96%** increase.

330 pilots at AC are literally making double what they are at Transat. This isn't stirring the pot or hyperbole, just stating facts.

[Tbayer2021]

Maybe I was a little emphatic about it, and sorry if that came across as blustery, but how is anything I posted off the mark or wrong? I'm just going by the published numbers. If there's more to it, please correct me, all good. This is just what I see.

Not sure how you're calculating that it would take 90% increase to match 330 rates. Current Transat top pay is 268/h. It would take approximately a 38% increase to bring that up to 370K a year and a 30% increase to match WJ top rate on the 787. I would wager Transat will end up somewhere in between, as they historically have.

Transat doesn't transfer over years of service. If you're there for 15 years and go 330 captain you start at year 2 scale. You will be at $202/hr while if you did the same at AC you're $396/hr. Apples to apples.

So I was actually wrong- you need a **96%** increase.

330 pilots at AC are literally making double what they are at Transat. This isn't stirring the pot or hyperbole, just stating facts.

That's a fair point. I guess we'll see if their new contract has years of service in it. However, I do think it is a bit more nuanced than that and you picked a very specific scenario to prove your point. No one at AC is getting left seat on a 330 4-5 years in whereas that does happen at Transat. And the vast majority of FOs take the first upgrade available. If you're a FO with 15 years of seniority, chances are you'll be one of those lifer FOs.

Even if your first left seat is on the 321, their current single payscale system means you get paid the same regardless if its 321 or 330. We'll see if that system survives into the new contract. Meaning that by the time you'd start to think about a wide body left seat posting at AC, you will already be at or close to top scale left seat at Transat also.

We can debate salary and its competitiveness once they settle their new contract as it is outdated and there is no sense in comparing their old CBA to AC's new one. Its not like 330 pay at AC was significantly higher than Transat's under the old contract. Keep in mind that Transat's MMG is 80 vs AC's 75. So larger hourly discrepancies don't actually change the total as much as you'd think.

But either way, I'll say this again. I don't see the point of comparing anything until the new contract arrives.