Flight Attendant strike vote opens on July 28th

[Jean-Pierre]

I hope this is the end of Arielle and the idea that an HR lady should ever be in involved in operations of an airline.

[thepoors]

I find it incredible how during all this chaos and disruption, the leaders at Air Canada are no where to be seen or herd. I've seen many different news reporting over yesterday and today and not one with any actual representative of air Canada, they realeased a small one sentence statement and thats IT. Wild. All over the news they have politicians and specialists and union reps and affected passengers, but nothing from AC managment they all seem to be hiding. That said with a difficult search I did find ONE AC leader who got infront of a camera and spoke to a reporter, the COO Mark Nasr. You should all go watch this interview, its really bad. Goes to show why the public is all supporting the flight attendants. Speaks volumes. Its on CP24

I don't think they were prepared for this, and have no idea how to respond. And given the support by the other unions being thrown behind CUPE, this won't be over anytime soon.

Hopefully, the fact that managment grossly underestimated the FAs resolve will have the boards attention, with perhaps some changes to come...

Exactly. They had one card (government intervention), and they played it. Now it's fumble around and try to blame FAs for everything while lying to people with tickets on flights they know will not be happening. I think the public are seeing right through this. People are fed up with these greedy two-faced corporate frauds. I sincerely hope they clean house of this pathetic management group.

What's sad is how readily they were exposed as soon as someone with a backbone stood up to them - if only ALPA leadership had one.

[CanadianPilotQc]

I find it incredible how during all this chaos and disruption, the leaders at Air Canada are no where to be seen or herd. I've seen many different news reporting over yesterday and today and not one with any actual representative of air Canada, they realeased a small one sentence statement and thats IT. Wild. All over the news they have politicians and specialists and union reps and affected passengers, but nothing from AC managment they all seem to be hiding. That said with a difficult search I did find ONE AC leader who got infront of a camera and spoke to a reporter, the COO Mark Nasr. You should all go watch this interview, its really bad. Goes to show why the public is all supporting the flight attendants. Speaks volumes. Its on CP24

Here is it its epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UntRf5u ... annel=CP24

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Wow this guy is the COO of the biggest airline in this country. No wonder this country is going to shits.

[dustyroads]

The public should be very concerned whether the flight attendants can keep them safe in an emergency. They were ordered back to work 2 days ago but still don’t understand what that means, will they not understand when the Captain calls a order to evacuate?
Don’t blame the Carney government, I believe the majority of the attendants live in areas that voted a sea of red!!!! Everyone except the flight attendants are following the rules.

[Tbayer2021]

The public should be very concerned whether the flight attendants can keep them safe in an emergency. They were ordered back to work 2 days ago but still don’t understand what that means, will they not understand when the Captain calls a order to evacuate?
Don’t blame the Carney government, I believe the majority of the attendants live in areas that voted a sea of red!!!! Everyone except the flight attendants are following the rules.

I love how quickly some forget that many of the major labour rights we currently enjoy were earned by doing something that was illegal at the time.

[FishermanIvan]

The public should be very concerned whether the flight attendants can keep them safe in an emergency. They were ordered back to work 2 days ago but still don’t understand what that means, will they not understand when the Captain calls a order to evacuate?
Don’t blame the Carney government, I believe the majority of the attendants live in areas that voted a sea of red!!!! Everyone except the flight attendants are following the rules.

@#$! off.

[Blackdog0301]

The public should be very concerned whether the flight attendants can keep them safe in an emergency. They were ordered back to work 2 days ago but still don’t understand what that means, will they not understand when the Captain calls a order to evacuate?
Don’t blame the Carney government, I believe the majority of the attendants live in areas that voted a sea of red!!!! Everyone except the flight attendants are following the rules.

[thepoors]

The public should be very concerned whether the flight attendants can keep them safe in an emergency. They were ordered back to work 2 days ago but still don’t understand what that means, will they not understand when the Captain calls a order to evacuate?
Don’t blame the Carney government, I believe the majority of the attendants live in areas that voted a sea of red!!!! Everyone except the flight attendants are following the rules.

Mark pLaNeS bAcK iN tHe AiR Nasr, is that you?

[Rooster69]

I hope this is the end of Arielle and the idea that an HR lady should ever be in involved in operations of an airline.

Where is that like button?

[pelmet]

Are people at risk of being fired if they refuse to work? AC could indentify those they don't like and attempt this. Might be risky to break the law.

[‘Bob’]

The FAs are the perfect linchpins to do this.

They are grossly underpaid and live in some of the most expensive cities in Canada.. and they could go to almost any other profession, or even another airline, to make as much or more.

They have nothing to lose by continuing to strike.

It would be really funny if the entire company was brought down for want of a nail.

[dustyroads]

Are people at risk of being fired if they refuse to work? AC could indentify those they don't like and attempt this. Might be risky to break the law.

In theory they all could be fired. There’s legal ways to not show up to work, all could just call in sick due to stress of the situation. Blatantly ignoring the laws isn’t the smartest way to deal with things.

[Daniel Cooper]

Does anyone with an FA personal connection know what the strike pay situation is? I can't help but wonder if the juniors are making more while on strike pay than while working.

[TalkingPie]

Does anyone with an FA personal connection know what the strike pay situation is? I can't help but wonder if the juniors are making more while on strike pay than while working.

If they show up to all picket shifts (4 hours per day), it's $450/week, tax free. So yes, very competitive with what a junior flight attendant makes while working.

[Tolippilot]

So now, after three days of the strike, finally air Canada's CEO goes on BNN to do an interview. Comes on with such bad internet quality you can bearly even hear or understand what he is saying, embarrassing. For what you can hear, its the same propaganda they have been putting out there.
We want to make our FAs the best paid in canada
We resolved the ground pay issue
We want to provide (total) compensation of 40%
This strike is illegal

Blah blah blah, these CEO execs must be some of the most blatantly corrupt group of business leaders in the county.

Its so obvious they were completely depending on the government to force CUPE back to work. They don't know how to deal with this situation. Its remarkable that even now three days into the strike AC leadership haven't even TRIED to start negotiations back with the union. They are still completely relying on the government to resolve this. The leaders at AC are abunch of ideologues, they are so wrong in their strategy, but they are unwilling to move an inch to try to resolve this issue. Hopefully they are all fired when the dust settles here.

[flieslikeachicken]

In theory they all could be fired. There’s legal ways to not show up to work, all could just call in sick due to stress of the situation. Blatantly ignoring the laws isn’t the smartest way to deal with things.

In theory, yes. In practice, there goes Air Canada's ability to operate more than a dozen 737s for the next 24 months.

People aren't going to go flocking to apply to a company that just fired 10,000 employees for exercising their right to collective bargaining.

[thepoors]

So now, after three days of the strike, finally air Canada's CEO goes on BNN to do an interview. Comes on with such bad internet quality you can bearly even hear or understand what he is saying, embarrassing. For what you can hear, its the same propaganda they have been putting out there.
We want to make our FAs the best paid in canada
We resolved the ground pay issue
We want to provide (total) compensation of 40%
This strike is illegal

Blah blah blah, these CEO execs must be some of the most blatantly corrupt group of business leaders in the county.

Its so obvious they were completely depending on the government to force CUPE back to work. They don't know how to deal with this situation. Its remarkable that even now three days into the strike AC leadership haven't even TRIED to start negotiations back with the union. They are still completely relying on the government to resolve this. The leaders at AC are abunch of ideologues, they are so wrong in their strategy, but they are unwilling to move an inch to try to resolve this issue. Hopefully they are all fired when the dust settles here.

When asked if there were any preparations to accommodate passengers with the strike looming, he literally admitted they were solely counting on section 107 to force them back to work and they had no other plans...

[TalkingPie]

In theory they all could be fired. There’s legal ways to not show up to work, all could just call in sick due to stress of the situation. Blatantly ignoring the laws isn’t the smartest way to deal with things.

In theory, yes. In practice, there goes Air Canada's ability to operate more than a dozen 737s for the next 24 months.

People aren't going to go flocking to apply to a company that just fired 10,000 employees for exercising their right to collective bargaining.

In addition to that, whether the government's use of Section 107 was legal is very much up in the air. When that winds its way through the courts, especially with Tremblay's refusal to recuse herself given the blatant conflict of interest, things could go sideways for AC after the dust settles. Do they want to risk having 10,000 wrongful dismissal cases against their effectively grounded airline that still won't have cabin crew?

The strike to date is probably already costing them as much as giving a fair contract would have. And now they get to worry about when the next workgroup is going to pull the same thing, because they've let things get past that tipping point.

[Man_in_the_sky]

The public should be very concerned whether the flight attendants can keep them safe in an emergency. They were ordered back to work 2 days ago but still don’t understand what that means, will they not understand when the Captain calls a order to evacuate?
Don’t blame the Carney government, I believe the majority of the attendants live in areas that voted a sea of red!!!! Everyone except the flight attendants are following the rules.

Captain is CUPE right now.. and they are very well listening

[TalkingPie]

There's a reason why so much of Canada is backing CUPE here. I wasn't sure during negotiations, but over the past week they have 100% shown that they're firing on all cylinders.

Bargaining Committee Update - 43

We have heard from many members and have had the great privilege of meeting many of you face to face. We know and feel that you are behind us 100%. We want everyone to be aware and understand that we are behind them to the same degree. We have been working around the clock to ensure that all members are returned to home base. We will leave not one single member without assistance, information and resources. Our journey is together and together we will prevail.

The Canada Industrial Relations Board has declared the strike illegal. However, the consequences for remaining on the picket line have not changed since yesterday. Members are reminded that it is not a criminal offence to remain on the picket line. While union leaders may be subject to arrest, union members are not at risk of arrest for participating in the strike. Please continue to sign up for picket duty and report as planned.
For those that may have any trepidation about defying an unjust order we want to provide some insights and education which has been reviewed by legal counsel.

There is verbiage which is referring to what we are doing as illegal. We are here to say that they can bandy about whatever terms they wish but the plain truth is that this order is unfair. It is corporate protection. The Canada Industrial Relations Board Chairperson who first ruled against us was working as Air Canada’s lawyer until 2023. We’re challenging this unconstitutional attack on workers’ rights. The refusal of this Chairperson to recuse themselves is hard to fathom.

There is nothing illegitimate about resisting exploitation. We must stand for our Charter rights and will not withstand flawed labour laws. When laws protect billion-dollar profits over workers, defiance is necessary. Please know and understand this:

• Every union in Canada has your back. From the Canadian Labour Congress to longshoremen to teachers. This is now much bigger than just CUPE. We are not alone.
• No member will face consequences alone. CUPE will cover any legal costs and fines. We don’t abandon our own.
• Just like we did with the Education Workers in Ontario in 2022, we won’t back down until we win. The public and the whole labour movement is behind us.
• This is now a movement. The entire labour movement as a whole voted unanimously to support us last night—with actions, not just words.
• Solidarity isn’t symbolic. Expect mass pickets, secondary actions, and nationwide protests if Air Canada refuses to come back to the bargaining table.

[Stu Pidasso]

The only comparable AC CUPE will use, is the AC Pilots. At no point have they compared themselves to other FA's in Canada, or for that matter include the Americans.






"Pay example for Flight Attendant hired in 2015:

Starting wage in 2015: $25.13/hour
Present wage in 2025 if Flight Attendant remains working in the same Flight Attendant position: $63.07/hour, more than 150% increase in pay since beginning career"
"Pay example for Flight Attendant hired in 2015:

Starting wage in 2015: $25.13/hour
Present wage in 2025 if Flight Attendant remains working in the same Flight Attendant position: $63.07/hour, more than 150% increase in pay since beginning career
Present wage in 2025 if now working as a Service Director:
o $73.03/hour on narrow-body aircraft, more than 190% increase in pay since beginning career
o $87.01/hour on wide-body aircraft, more than 246% increase in pay since beginning career"
"The hourly pay is $41.39 for a Rouge flight attendant with 5 years of service, $63.07 for a mainline flight attendant with 10 years of service, and up to $87.01 for a service director.
A service director at Air Canada earned an average of $80,000 in 2024, excluding incentive rewards, and Health and Pension benefits. The role of the service director is to oversee onboard service. All flight attendants are eligible for this position.
Half of Air Canada mainline flight attendants earned more than $54,000 in 2024, excluding incentive rewards, and health and pension benefits. The median is influenced by the fact that about one third of flights attendants have been hired in the past 5 years. At the top of the scale, which they reach within 10 years, flight attendants can make more than $70,000."
"Crew members at Air Canada are scheduled to fly between 71-80 credit hours[1] per month eight months per year and between 76-85 credit hours per month four months per year. Crew members at Air Canada Rouge are scheduled to fly up to 95 credit hours per month"
"The maximum annual vacation entitlement for Air Canada cabin crew is 35 days plus 10 additional days for statutory holidays, or 45 paid vacation/statutory holiday days per year.
Adding statutory holidays and bankable sick days to their vacation entitlements and scheduled time off, Air Canada flight attendants worked an average of 10 to 12 days a month. Rouge Flight Attendants worked an average of 12 to 14 days a month."
I think that gives the public a better understanding of how an FA is compensated.

[TalkingPie]

The only comparable AC CUPE will use, is the AC Pilots. At no point have they compared themselves to other FA's in Canada, or for that matter include the Americans.






"Pay example for Flight Attendant hired in 2015:

Starting wage in 2015: $25.13/hour
Present wage in 2025 if Flight Attendant remains working in the same Flight Attendant position: $63.07/hour, more than 150% increase in pay since beginning career"
"Pay example for Flight Attendant hired in 2015:

Starting wage in 2015: $25.13/hour
Present wage in 2025 if Flight Attendant remains working in the same Flight Attendant position: $63.07/hour, more than 150% increase in pay since beginning career
Present wage in 2025 if now working as a Service Director:
o $73.03/hour on narrow-body aircraft, more than 190% increase in pay since beginning career
o $87.01/hour on wide-body aircraft, more than 246% increase in pay since beginning career"
"The hourly pay is $41.39 for a Rouge flight attendant with 5 years of service, $63.07 for a mainline flight attendant with 10 years of service, and up to $87.01 for a service director.
A service director at Air Canada earned an average of $80,000 in 2024, excluding incentive rewards, and Health and Pension benefits. The role of the service director is to oversee onboard service. All flight attendants are eligible for this position.
Half of Air Canada mainline flight attendants earned more than $54,000 in 2024, excluding incentive rewards, and health and pension benefits. The median is influenced by the fact that about one third of flights attendants have been hired in the past 5 years. At the top of the scale, which they reach within 10 years, flight attendants can make more than $70,000."
"Crew members at Air Canada are scheduled to fly between 71-80 credit hours[1] per month eight months per year and between 76-85 credit hours per month four months per year. Crew members at Air Canada Rouge are scheduled to fly up to 95 credit hours per month"
"The maximum annual vacation entitlement for Air Canada cabin crew is 35 days plus 10 additional days for statutory holidays, or 45 paid vacation/statutory holiday days per year.
Adding statutory holidays and bankable sick days to their vacation entitlements and scheduled time off, Air Canada flight attendants worked an average of 10 to 12 days a month. Rouge Flight Attendants worked an average of 12 to 14 days a month."
I think that gives the public a better understanding of how an FA is compensated.

With logic like that, you should apply to be an AC executive. There may be some openings soon.

[Stu Pidasso]

That’s your best comeback? As the saying goes; “the facts don’t care about your feelings.”

Hats off to CUPE as you have completely tricked the public into sympathy with the bs about unpaid work.

Along with the gender / alphabet people nonsense.

[godsrcrazy]

That’s your best comeback? As the saying goes; “the facts don’t care about your feelings.”

Hats off to CUPE as you have completely tricked the public into sympathy with the bs about unpaid work.

Along with the gender / alphabet people nonsense.

I am all for if you’re in the aircraft you should get paid. I would love to see the poverty T4’s for the most senior to newest hires. These should be by actual days worked. Do the T4’s have all benefits including free, family and buddy passes.

I know one thing I am sick of getting held hostage by the unions these days. Doesn’t matter if it is air travel our government. If you don’t like what you’re getting paid, then move on.

[twa22]

That’s your best comeback? As the saying goes; “the facts don’t care about your feelings.”

Hats off to CUPE as you have completely tricked the public into sympathy with the bs about unpaid work.

Along with the gender / alphabet people nonsense.

I am all for if you’re in the aircraft you should get paid. I would love to see the poverty T4’s for the most senior to newest hires. These should be by actual days worked. Do the T4’s have all benefits including free, family and buddy passes.

I know one thing I am sick of getting held hostage by the unions these days. Doesn’t matter if it is air travel our government. If you don’t like what you’re getting paid, then move on.

There you go

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Go look up minimum wage for each province and do the math, you'll quickly see that junior FA's make less then minimum wage. People like you and Stu need a reality check, badly...