Flight Attendant strike vote opens on July 28th

[30westpirate]

How quickly the pilot group forgets. Or many are just new hires and have no history.

It’s the FAs that vehemently fought the company for years in the courts and loss the B1 pass battle. Now they’re all quite about the A1 passes because the pilots don’t have it.

Back in ‘06-07 negotiations they approached the company and said ‘the SDs can take the role of the RP’ give us RP rates. Talk about delusional group. Want to be pilots so badly just go train and get the experience.

[Stu Pidasso]

Heres an idea... Since you and Altiplano are so bothered by flight attendants because they won't sleep with you, you guys can just screw each other

Thanks for the laugh but very happily married. From what I saw of the Picket Line, Jenny Craig should have set up a booth.

[Stu Pidasso]

The AC FA's were played by CUPE National for their larger agenda. Even I am shocked at how bad this deal is, you got spanked and sent to your room.

[Mac08]

Should've taken a close look at the picket line, that petite brunette who refused your offer to have a drink in your hotel room has bigger balls than any pilot by staying on that picket line.

We are the literally the definition of getting played by their union. World Class Contract? Leave no penny on the table? How do you enjoy training on your days off? Don't worry, we'll get em next time!

Be happy that your coworkers actually stood up against the company and the government instead of being a miserable loser who gets butthurt over a comment from one FA.

[Hangry]

Heres an idea... Since you and Altiplano are so bothered by flight attendants because they won't sleep with you, you guys can just screw each other

Thanks for the laugh but very happily married. From what I saw of the Picket Line, Jenny Craig should have set up a booth.

That’s hilarious. Want to know what never concerns me? Opinions of FAs. Don’t care what rampies think of me either. Barista who serves me coffee? Certainly not. Most of all the least important opinion is the Public’s.

It’s strange their opinions matter to you at all. The boomer meltdown on the Dino forum is real cringy.
Know your worth. That’s literally all that matters.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Heres an idea... Since you and Altiplano are so bothered by flight attendants because they won't sleep with you, you guys can just screw each other

Thanks for the laugh but very happily married. From what I saw of the Picket Line, Jenny Craig should have set up a booth.

That’s hilarious. Want to know what never concerns me? Opinions of FAs. Don’t care what rampies think of me either. Barista who serves me coffee? Certainly not. Most of all the least important opinion is the Public’s.

It’s strange their opinions matter to you at all. The boomer meltdown on the Dino forum is real cringy.
Know your worth. That’s literally all that matters.

go ahead and spoil the fun for us

[Old fella]

Should've taken a close look at the picket line, that petite brunette who refused your offer to have a drink in your hotel room has bigger balls than any pilot by staying on that picket line.

We are the literally the definition of getting played by their union. World Class Contract? Leave no penny on the table? How do you enjoy training on your days off? Don't worry, we'll get em next time!

Be happy that your coworkers actually stood up against the company and the government instead of being a miserable loser who gets butthurt over a comment from one FA.

From someone on the outside looking in was the precedent that was set. The Government evoked section 107 of the Canadian Labour Code to instruct the CIRB to end the strike and take over arbitration. CUPE representing Air Canada FAs said f*ck off we are not going back to work, fines and/or jail time be dammed. Gutsy move but within 10 hrs a tentative agreement was reached. That says it all because other Unions facing similar won’t back down either. This blew up in PM Carney’s face and his Labour Minister should be dismissed.

How good the agreement is doesn’t concern me in the least because it isn’t my business.

[Dias]

You nailed it Old Fella.

[rudder]

Should've taken a close look at the picket line, that petite brunette who refused your offer to have a drink in your hotel room has bigger balls than any pilot by staying on that picket line.

We are the literally the definition of getting played by their union. World Class Contract? Leave no penny on the table? How do you enjoy training on your days off? Don't worry, we'll get em next time!

Be happy that your coworkers actually stood up against the company and the government instead of being a miserable loser who gets butthurt over a comment from one FA.

From someone on the outside looking in was the precedent that was set. The Government evoked section 107 of the Canadian Labour Code to instruct the CIRB to end the strike and take over arbitration. CUPE representing Air Canada FAs said f*ck off we are not going back to work, fines and/or jail time be dammed. Gutsy move but within 10 hrs a tentative agreement was reached. That says it all because other Unions facing similar won’t back down either. This blew up in PM Carney’s face and his Labour Minister should be dismissed.

How good the agreement is doesn’t concern me in the least because it isn’t my business.

Bingo.

CUPE put 107 on trial. It should mean less (or no) 107 in the future in federal disputes.

Time will tell.

[Old fella]

Should've taken a close look at the picket line, that petite brunette who refused your offer to have a drink in your hotel room has bigger balls than any pilot by staying on that picket line.

We are the literally the definition of getting played by their union. World Class Contract? Leave no penny on the table? How do you enjoy training on your days off? Don't worry, we'll get em next time!

Be happy that your coworkers actually stood up against the company and the government instead of being a miserable loser who gets butthurt over a comment from one FA.

From someone on the outside looking in was the precedent that was set. The Government evoked section 107 of the Canadian Labour Code to instruct the CIRB to end the strike and take over arbitration. CUPE representing Air Canada FAs said f*ck off we are not going back to work, fines and/or jail time be dammed. Gutsy move but within 10 hrs a tentative agreement was reached. That says it all because other Unions facing similar won’t back down either. This blew up in PM Carney’s face and his Labour Minister should be dismissed.

How good the agreement is doesn’t concern me in the least because it isn’t my business.

Bingo.

CUPE put 107 on trial. It should mean less (or no) 107 in the future in federal disputes.

Time will tell.

Hope so Rudder. To that end if the new PM Carney’s modus operandi is his pontificating on major infrastructure projects and Federal Civil Service reform( no doubt a good thing) he is going to need labour peace of some sort and his Government was delivered a decent broadside by a major union that didn’t miss. This Air Canada FA strike was what less than 24 hrs and the Minister evoked section 107 which means it had the concurrence of the PMO. I bet AC Executive level had a very good idea this(section 107) was coming down, perhaps briefed- they certainly wanted it undoubtedly. As I said precedent has been set going forward and Carney strikes( pardon the pun) me as a pragmatic PM realizing the unnecessary haste. Let’s be honest, Air Canada isn’t an essential service, no airline is.

[Dry Guy]

I wouldn't hold your breath for a shrinking civil service. That would result in them having to admit they imported a lot people with no jobs for them other than the ones they invented.

[Me262]

Any future pilot negotiations need to automatically include the ground pay, courtesy of our FAs and their awesome union.

[bobcaygeon]

I wouldn't hold your breath for a shrinking civil service. That would result in them having to admit they imported a lot people with no jobs for them other than the ones they invented.

Hopefully it will be easier than you think because they can blame it on the drama teacher with the fancy socks. Hopefully Carney starts enforcing a few other mandates that JT stopped enforcing to ensure funding for various groups are making it to the intended to people vs leadership's boobs and trucks fund.

Understandingly, Trump's antics are sidetracking some of this.

[Justjohn]

https://www.reuters.com/business/world- ... 025-08-22/


Headline reads:


Exclusive: Air Canada labor deal faces fierce opposition over wages, vote could fail

[yycflyguy]

https://www.reuters.com/business/world- ... 025-08-22/


Headline reads:


Exclusive: Air Canada labor deal faces fierce opposition over wages, vote could fail

It doesn’t matter if it fails. It would then go to mediation (no resolution) and then interest based arbitration for only the wages. The negotiating committee agreed to these rates. An Arbitrator is going to award something very close. I’m blown away that the membership doesn’t get a say on the entire contract, just wages. I’d be furious if I was a FA.

[digits_]

https://www.reuters.com/business/world- ... 025-08-22/


Headline reads:


Exclusive: Air Canada labor deal faces fierce opposition over wages, vote could fail

That's why the union leadership and negotiation committee should always threaten to quit if a vote doesn't go their way

Can't have people vote on the actual contract! We need political "strategic" votes!

[TalkingPie]

https://www.reuters.com/business/world- ... 025-08-22/


Headline reads:


Exclusive: Air Canada labor deal faces fierce opposition over wages, vote could fail

It doesn’t matter if it fails. It would then go to mediation (no resolution) and then interest based arbitration for only the wages. The negotiating committee agreed to these rates. An Arbitrator is going to award something very close. I’m blown away that the membership doesn’t get a say on the entire contract, just wages. I’d be furious if I was a FA.

And they are.

Over the last few days AC has been a shit-show of trying to get flights crewed. Overseas are going short-staffed and managers are drafting FAs at the gate. A class of brand new FAs that just finished initial training are being told to expect to be drafted over their days off when they were planning on moving to their new homes/bases.

It's not a coordinated effort. The union hasn't said a peep about working to rule or booking off since the strike. People are just so fed up that they can't bring themselves to go to work anymore. Things will settle down over the next few days, I'm sure, but I don't think the resentment is going away. A lot of juniors were holding out hope for a new contract to make this job financially viable. I think they're looking to the exits now.

[newlygrounded]

I wouldn't hold your breath for a shrinking civil service. That would result in them having to admit they imported a lot people with no jobs for them other than the ones they invented.

Everybody says the public service is too big, but nobody actually has a number for the right amount

I think people tend to ignore all the manpower that was required for Covid related projects (health Canada, funding approvals etc)

And nobody has brought up the fact that a pretty decent number of people are retiring in the next five years, you’re going to need to hire new people for knowledge transfer etc)

[thepoors]

The issue is the company wants high turnover. They don't want lifers with 10+ years seniority who will fight for wawcon. They want fresh high school grads or fresh off the boat immigrants who still think it's a glamourous job. It's also abundantly clear they dgaf about customer service. So it doesn't matter if your workforce is a bunch of clueless newbies. They would rather train non-stop and get rid of the "trouble makers" who want liveable wages.

[newlygrounded]

The issue is the company wants high turnover. They don't want lifers with 10+ years seniority who will fight for wawcon. They want fresh high school grads or fresh off the boat immigrants who still think it's a glamourous job. It's also abundantly clear they dgaf about customer service. So it doesn't matter if your workforce is a bunch of clueless newbies. They would rather train non-stop and get rid of the "trouble makers" who want liveable wages.

I’d argue the opposite happened, pilots have a lot invested so they are less likely to rock the boat. Most FAs could easily make the same money doing another job so the junior people are especially likely to just walk if they don’t get what they want

[TheStig]

There's a lot of different ways to look at this deal, and it's a failure in every way.

I assume the Minister was in the room threatening fines when this deal was reached, nonetheless, CUPE had the company dead-to-rights and the resulting TA looks inferior to the pilot deal. FA's can vote no and voice their displeasure, but the deal for all intents and purposes is done. Any arbitration following a no vote will be a footnote in the news.

The company failed to the greatest extent:
-500M travellers had flights cancelled, even if it didn't cost the airline a dime, this is a massive failure to deliver to customers.
-Shareholders lost $100M+. It's impossible to reconcile what in this TA was worth losing that amount of revenue?
-Their bargaining strategy will be ineffective in future negotiations.
-They lost whatever followership may have existed among employees.

I would argue the government actually managed this situation well enough. While they used section 107 promptly, it oddly lacked enthusiasm from officials that historically have loved being in front of the media. There weren't many public statements made before or during the strike. Once section 107 was invoked the Minister simply referred to the CIRB, which itself never seemed to have any interest in enforcement action against CUPE.

[confusedalot]

The issue is the company wants high turnover. They don't want lifers with 10+ years seniority who will fight for wawcon. They want fresh high school grads or fresh off the boat immigrants who still think it's a glamourous job. It's also abundantly clear they dgaf about customer service. So it doesn't matter if your workforce is a bunch of clueless newbies. They would rather train non-stop and get rid of the "trouble makers" who want liveable wages.

I’d argue the opposite happened, pilots have a lot invested so they are less likely to rock the boat. Most FAs could easily make the same money doing another job so the junior people are especially likely to just walk if they don’t get what they want

not too sure about that. few other jobs that need high school only will end up paying now 100K over time plus all of the perks, per diems etc.

entry pay is crap, lower than minimum wage. but they all know what the payoff is in the future.

[newlygrounded]

The issue is the company wants high turnover. They don't want lifers with 10+ years seniority who will fight for wawcon. They want fresh high school grads or fresh off the boat immigrants who still think it's a glamourous job. It's also abundantly clear they dgaf about customer service. So it doesn't matter if your workforce is a bunch of clueless newbies. They would rather train non-stop and get rid of the "trouble makers" who want liveable wages.

I’d argue the opposite happened, pilots have a lot invested so they are less likely to rock the boat. Most FAs could easily make the same money doing another job so the junior people are especially likely to just walk if they don’t get what they want

not too sure about that. few other jobs that need high school only will end up paying now 100K over time plus all of the perks, per diems etc.

entry pay is crap, lower than minimum wage. but they all know what the payoff is in the future.

How many are making 100K? You could probably put them all in a single business class cabin, and tbh per diems aren’t pay. $20 a day sounds nice till you spend that on a single shity airport sandwich

[FelixGustof]

What's with pilots ripping into poor flight attendants?

Low IQ? Small penises? Too many rejections??

Embarrassing

[737Drver]

Imagine coming on here as some old crusty pilot who was apart of the greatest erosion this profession has ever seen and then start trying to blame flight attendants after they actually took a stand against the company.

Imagine.