Flight Attendant strike vote opens on July 28th

[Stu Pidasso]

Here's a PSA to AC FA's

The Arbitrator absolutely can give you less that you just voted down.

If I was the company my opening position to the Arbitrator would be 3% across the board for 4 years. The other reality is from the companies standpoint there is a pot of cash, distribute it how you like. In typical fashion you are not going to get the 100+K / Year SD's to give the newhires a leg up.

Boomers UNITED!

I think Flight Attendants should have to PAY for the opportunity to fly with crotchety old captains who creep on them over paid beers because that is how it was done in the "good old days"!

Make aviation great again! MAGA!!!

Back in the good old days we didn't hire FA's out of the phonebook, there were standards.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Here's a PSA to AC FA's

The Arbitrator absolutely can give you less that you just voted down.

No, it can't. It was locked in as a floor, along with all the other aspects of the contract when CUPE agreed to end the strike and return to work.

Your posts constantly have a lot to say about things you know nothing about.

[Stu Pidasso]

I am happy to stand corrected on that pmg, if you can prove it, I certainly haven't seen it anywhere? Anything else you seem to think you know more about?

[confusedalot]

And if you want to join the military, and you apply with no skills and you get the job, the government will pay for your skills.

@#$! those privates! Military folks don't deserve anything either!! Let's milk the working class

got it. flight attendants are military class.

got it. you hate the working class

I am the working class. stupid airplane driver with no money. did more than u have never seen.

you want to trash the old fuckers, go for it.

[newlygrounded]

Your post above is irrelevant. Your search was “flight attendant strike”. Google search now curates pictures with flight attendants in it. Try typing in “pilots at flight attendant strike” and you will get photos of pilot strikes and FA strikes. Also, when the news is taking pictures, they want pictures of flight attendants, not pilots. The will self select taking most pictures with FAs.

I don’t know how many pilots were at the strike, but a google search for images proves nothing either way.

"pilots at flight attendant strike cupe" didn't have any meaningful change, I was going off my personal experience visiting the airport, though looking at the news clips lines up with my experience as well

[BTD]

Your post above is irrelevant. Your search was “flight attendant strike”. Google search now curates pictures with flight attendants in it. Try typing in “pilots at flight attendant strike” and you will get photos of pilot strikes and FA strikes. Also, when the news is taking pictures, they want pictures of flight attendants, not pilots. The will self select taking most pictures with FAs.

I don’t know how many pilots were at the strike, but a google search for images proves nothing either way.

"pilots at flight attendant strike cupe" didn't have any meaningful change, I was going off my personal experience visiting the airport, though looking at the news clips lines up with my experience as well

Which was my point. You will see pilot strikes and FA strikes. And also the news isn’t taking many pictures of pilots with no identifying insignia or plain clothes when the story is about FAs.

[Bede]

No, it can't. It was locked in as a floor, along with all the other aspects of the contract when CUPE agreed to end the strike and return to work.

I'm not involved in this whatsoever, but I do have a copy of the AC/CUPE 2025 "Agreed to Items". I don't see any mention of a "floor" for wages.

I remember going into WJ CA1 arbitration (which I wasn't involved with) and everyone saying how we "couldn't do less than" whatever. Well...we were disappointed.

[cdnavater]

No, it can't. It was locked in as a floor, along with all the other aspects of the contract when CUPE agreed to end the strike and return to work.

I'm not involved in this whatsoever, but I do have a copy of the AC/CUPE 2025 "Agreed to Items". I don't see any mention of a "floor" for wages.

I remember going into WJ CA1 arbitration (which I wasn't involved with) and everyone saying how we "couldn't do less than" whatever. Well...we were disappointed.

It would be pretty hard to justify less than what 99% of the FAs rejected and a sure way to start a wildcat strike!
I’m sure you’re correct that the arbitrator could but wow would that be blatant proof of AC having government deep inside their pockets, given the pilots increases were significantly more.
I’m predicting a modest increase from the failed offer, maybe 10-14% and still 3, 3, 3!

[Bede]

It would be pretty hard to justify less than what 99% of the FAs rejected and a sure way to start a wildcat strike!
I’m sure you’re correct that the arbitrator could but wow would that be blatant proof of AC having government deep inside their pockets, given the pilots increases were significantly more.
I’m predicting a modest increase from the failed offer, maybe 10-14% and still 3, 3, 3!

Maybe, but didn't something similar happen with the pilots in c. 2013? Pilots voted down a deal, it went to arbitration and the arbitrator's award was $50M in total value than the original deal?

I'm not going to wager what happens, but I've yet to see any documents that the proposed wages are "a floor". I can't see AC agreeing to such a term. Why would anyone vote for this TA if that was the case?

The Ontario Nurses Association just went to arbitration. They got their equivalent of paid "unpaid work". When calculating the wage increase, the arbitrator took that piece into account, essentially saying, "you got a 3% wage increase from that piece, and you get an 5.25% increase in your wages totalling 8.25%".

[rudder]

It would be pretty hard to justify less than what 99% of the FAs rejected and a sure way to start a wildcat strike!
I’m sure you’re correct that the arbitrator could but wow would that be blatant proof of AC having government deep inside their pockets, given the pilots increases were significantly more.
I’m predicting a modest increase from the failed offer, maybe 10-14% and still 3, 3, 3!

Maybe, but didn't something similar happen with the pilots in c. 2013? Pilots voted down a deal, it went to arbitration and the arbitrator's award was $50M in total value than the original deal?

I'm not going to wager what happens, but I've yet to see any documents that the proposed wages are "a floor". I can't see AC agreeing to such a term. Why would anyone vote for this TA if that was the case?

The Ontario Nurses Association just went to arbitration. They got their equivalent of paid "unpaid work". When calculating the wage increase, the arbitrator took that piece into account, essentially saying, "you got a 3% wage increase from that piece, and you get an 5.25% increase in your wages totalling 8.25%".

CUPE will likely make three arguments -

1. New-hire annual pay should meet or exceed annualized pay on minimum wage.

2. Higher ratio (or no ratio) for boarding pay.

3. Greater overall pay increases both now and going forward.

There is still a possibility that the parties could reach an agreement in the prescribed additional round of mediation prior to binding arbitration. It would be AC’s last chance to appear more like a compassionate employer and CUPE’s last chance to focus priorities on wage increase allocation.

I don’t agree that an arbitrator will award ‘less’ than the total wage uplift in the rejected pay TA. But there is a chance that they could add zero dollars but reallocate. Be careful what you wish for when appearing before an arbitrator.

[PostmasterGeneral]

No, it can't. It was locked in as a floor, along with all the other aspects of the contract when CUPE agreed to end the strike and return to work.

I'm not involved in this whatsoever, but I do have a copy of the AC/CUPE 2025 "Agreed to Items". I don't see any mention of a "floor" for wages.

I remember going into WJ CA1 arbitration (which I wasn't involved with) and everyone saying how we "couldn't do less than" whatever. Well...we were disappointed.

Both parties agreed to replication arbitration.

Since the wages voted on were presented by the company, there’s no way they can be redacted in replication arbitration. Basically, they set the “floor” for an award moving forward.