EI May Help

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:34 am

Hey everyone, I'm not trolling or anything like that, but I have a question.

I have a reasonable amount of time, some useful, some not. I have been on EI for a few months now and do have some companies interested in me, but no offers yet. Some companies, I have too much time for, some say I don't have the right kind of time for them. Given that I am still not working, EI may pay for training to help me market myself to employers. To help my case with EI, I want to try to find places to get a Navajo PPC or a B200 PPC. I have chosen these a/c because of the number of them in Canada and the number of opportunities that come up for pilots with PPC's on these types. If I couple the demand shown in the Job Ads with prices and availability of training, I may get help from EI.

Also, if anyone else has done this, I would be interested in knowing your stories.

Thanks for the help.

skudrunner · Post by **skudrunner** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:36 pm

i would like to know how you're going to get an B200 PPC from EI???
What angle do you use and...what province do you livein, cause if your in AB, your hooped......best of luck!!

185_guy · Post by **185_guy** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:40 pm

It all depends on where you are, and what kinda mood the person you talk to is in. When i tried to get help with a multi/ifr, they wanted a letter from an employer saying they would give me a full time job requiring the training. HA Put up a good case, take lots of good information to them, and maybe you'll get lucky.

Good Luck,

Getting EI to pay for a PPC has the same effect on our industry as buying one.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:00 pm

What I don't get it is, why should your po' ass get ahead of me? I have a job, you do not, so you deserve a PPC? Oh I'd love to hear the reasoning here. I wouldn't have ever busted my foot putting palletts on planes if I knew being POOR and UNEMPLOYED was the way to fly.

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:42 pm

You said it desksgo. Sadly many people at EI do not seem to understand that if you train someone for a job that already has way too many qualified applicants, you are not helping the unemployement situation.

BuddyJay · Post by **BuddyJay** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:29 pm

So, if companies could use a break in expenses

such as paying pilots wages to help growth(survival for some

) and EI(gov't) seems willing to aid in giving monies to pilots to spend unwisely

, why not have pilots wages subsidized?
It could prove helpful.
When EI issuses monies for "skill developement" they do it for the fact of having one less person less likely of drawing from the EI fund and maintaining employment in the future.

quote:
"What I don't get it is, why should your po' ass get ahead of me? I have a job, you do not, so you deserve a PPC? Oh I'd love to hear the reasoning here"

I'm not saying that buying a PPC is the way to solve the problem either but since the industry hires on the fact of qualifications in terms of who holds a current PPC on a certain aircraft, and as you said, "you have a job"

How do we fix the problem at hand and allow "po people" a chance to pay their bills and get ahead in life?
On a lighter note, it shouldn't be a race to get ahead

too many people get stepped on.

My 2 cents

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:21 pm

Nomad check your PMs.

Cheers

pylut · Post by **pylut** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:13 pm

Pogey (actually, it's not really EI paying, it's Provincial Education & Training) paid for 1/2 of my instructor rating and I know lots of guys that did the same. It has to be a recognized program that you want to do with a set syllabus and curriculum. My worker at education and training said that once the course is done, they'll give me about 2 weeks to get a related job, after that EI will ride my ass to get any burger flipping job to make up for the money they spent on me. You have to prove you have the $$ to come up with your half of the money and they will only fund you for one training course--so if you decide to take basket weaving 5 years from now at the local community college, your outta luck.

m.L · Post by **m.L** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:42 pm

E.I is out of the picture. Iam laid off and on E.I and just tried to get them to help flying out of Calgary and they bluntly said no way is E.I going to be involed any where in avation any more. Why?? the number reason, and this is right out of there mouths. There is not much future for low time pilots to get a job flying right now and there must be employment for them to pay for training.

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:40 pm

You Lazy bums, swallow your pride and get a job. I don't care if its not flying.

EI is a TEMPORARY social safety net!!!! I'm tired of paying for you guys that sit at home trying to come up with ways to screw the average joe out of his money. And I don't want to hear "I paid into it, therefore i can take it" crap.

Floats

BuddyJay · Post by **BuddyJay** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:27 pm

Floats wrote:You Lazy bums, swallow your pride and get a job. I don't care if its not flying.

I'm tired of paying for you guys that sit at home trying to come up with ways to screw the average joe out of his money.

Floats

I'm sure it's all in good fun

But I don't see how calling people lazy bumbs helps the less fortunate ones find an answer to their solution. Plus, if experience is such an important part of aviation, why get any job if it won't help you in aviation? or did I mis read?

What about the average joe who can't find work?

We need solutions, not finger pointing

My 2 cents

phillyfan · Post by **phillyfan** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:55 pm

Giver shit boys, because the god damn Liberals are sure as hell going to steal it and abuse it if you don't.

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:45 am

Buddyjay

The intent of my post was not to imply to give up. I don't have the magic solution.

"why get any job if it won't help you in aviation?"

Do you hear what your saying? By all means do what one can to find a job in aviation. But I'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way all the time. I'm talking about not working for three months!!! If you are healthy (and if you hold a cat 1 medical, i'm pretty sure you are), then the average joe can find work.

I've had to work at plenty of shitty non aviation jobs throughout my career. And my time off was spent looking for flying jobs. It eventually worked out for me, but it took years!

Floats

BuddyJay · Post by **BuddyJay** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:49 pm

As have I

Floats, I hope you didn't take anything I said too personal

Just trying to get more informative answers

for Nomad and any others who read this topic.
Why not give insightful ideas or thoughts?

Everyone's situation is a little different and not everyone has the answers

but, when people look here for help, why not try and give constructive critisim instead of "lazy bumbs"?

No job doesn't pay the bills but I have seen it happen too many times when people get a job outside aviation due to pressures and get comfortable, then 1, 3, 5 years pass and the drive is gone. Some come back but few do...

I don't know if any of this helped ya out Nomad but if ya have questions, don't be shy to post them. No question is dumb, within reason of course

and a lot can be learned from here.

lowandslow · Post by **lowandslow** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:30 pm

Nomad,
Getting money from EI isn't that hard.. just have to jump through hoops to get it. There is lots of money there for programs that upgrade your chances of getting fulltime employment... thats the catch phrase they like to hear....
pm me for more info if you want..

185_guy · Post by **185_guy** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:35 pm

"Floats Posted
You Lazy bums, swallow your pride and get a job. I don't care if its not flying. ""

I would love to get a job, but the 7/11 or McDonalds dosent pay enough to pay the bills.
E.I. does. Why would I work 60 hrs a week to earn what i get on EI?
Besides, there are people out there who need those Mcdonalds jobs, cause they cant qualify for assistance.

Its there for the taking, why not. I bet by the time i retire, i'll have paid way more into the system than i will draw out. Everyone pays into it, always have, always will. Has the rate you pay into EI gone up? I dont think its changed for a while, but i may be wrong.
So have a relaxing winter, go skiing, snowmobiling or whatever on HRDC.

Just remember to answer all questions truthfully, and press 1 for yes, and 9 for no.

Good Luck finding work.......full time that is!

DFione1 · Post by **DFione1** » Tue May 04, 2004 5:06 pm

Getting funding from HRDC could be a difficult task but not impossible. Yes, it does depend on where u live and stuff like that. The most important thing is that you have to convince them that you will be employable or will have secured employment after the completion of ur training. You also have to show them that there is or will be a demand for pilots. I received funding from them recently, and basically all i did was filled out all the forms and gave them a copy of the HRDC report on commercial aviation in Canada (I'm not sure if that's what that report is called) So if they say that there isn't a demand, you have the proof there - written by HRDC. If you have any questions, PM me.

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Fri May 07, 2004 4:35 pm

Hey 185 guy

why work at all?

Hey i've got a solution, why not quit all together. Go on welfare, kick back and enjoy life. And for some extra cash for your leisurely activitys fake a disability and collect insurance.

7-11, Mcdonalds? Come on!!! There is all kinds of jobs out there that will pay the bills. But you might have to get your hands dirty.

Floats

ramjet · Post by **ramjet** » Tue May 11, 2004 8:03 am

It is possible to get EI to pay up to $9,999.00 for training if you meet certain criteria.
1. MOST IMPORTANT! You must have a letter of intent to employ you, from a company who states they will employ you if you obtain the training you wish EI to pay for.
2. You have to do a lot of research and comparison shopping wrt training rates etc., to show EI you you have found the most economical deal.
3. It is important you go through an EI office with sufficient funds. An office in Bugtussle won't have the same access to funding as one in Toronto or Vancouver. Your best bet is through one in a medium sized city like KW, London, Saskatoon etc.
4. There is lots of paperwork, but as long as you are organized, careful and thorough, it is possible.
5. You must be on EI to qualify, and go through their courses and seminars etc.

I know a guy who had a PPL, who got EI to pay for his CPL and Instructor rating. Another guy I heard of had EI pay for 90hrs of night flying to get his ATPL, and a Flight Safety twin-otter course. The BIG thing is you need the letter of intent to employ from some company. As long as EI has proof you will have a job as a result of this training they are paying for, then your chances are a lot better. Of course another big thing is how you approach and talk to the person you are dealing with. Be pleasant, agreeable, and exude sincerity. Big egos and "I deserve this or that" will get you know where fast.
Hope this helps. Good luck.

"one peek is worth a thousand instrument cross-checks.

lowandslow · Post by **lowandslow** » Wed May 12, 2004 5:30 pm

Just some corrections..
You can get more than the amount you said.. funding is based on the branch level. I have always applied in a small town (2500 people) and haven't had a problem. I also have never had a letter from a company saying they would employ me, just a bunch of letters saying that this program (mutlifr, atpl, whatever) is a good thing to get in the current aviation situation.. blah, blah, blah.
Like was said above, be organized and do your homework. If you don't like what the branch manager says, go above their heads.. that works too sometimes..
good luck

Foo Fighter · Post by **Foo Fighter** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:36 am

LowandSlow check your PM's

Cheers

Foo Fighter · Post by **Foo Fighter** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:49 am

DFione 1 ...Check your Pm's

DriftWood · Post by **DriftWood** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:05 pm

AHHH. It's nice to see so many individuals are so up to date on the ways to scrub money togethor to fund there dreams. We are deffiantly a very resourcefull bunch. Haha. Myself have hit the EI train a couple of times. Did so for some trainiing and realized they had me by the balls. I used every sent of my own to pay for my aviation training, then to borrow money from the government or wherever this cash came from drove me nuts. Never again thank-you. I will do this shit on my own. And for gods sake you guys or gals out there, stop the job at 7-11 or whatever shitty job. Man-up princess and head north. Go pipelining or something. Besides keeps your mind off the pits of aviation.
Later

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:32 am

Amen to that, freeze! 7-11 is not the way to do it. If you can't get a job that will repay back-breaking labor with the chance to save up the $$ necessary to make some headway towards your dream job, then move out to Alberta, and find yourself a job in the patch. You'll be starting at the bottom, but with determination and hard work, you'll move up quickly.

Even if you can't get on as a pipeliner or rig pig, anyone that can count to eight and understand "pointy side down" can get hired as a jughound - not the best job in the world, but it'll keep you fit, and let you save enough money to pay for flight school/time building/road trips/whatever.

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