Who Wants to Fly WJ

[pelmet]

Now getting seats that don't recline. It is one thing for Ryanair to do it when you pay a dollar but WJ has similar prices to AC and Porter,

Porter or AC for me thanks.

[JustaCanadian]

I don't care on a 1 or 2 hour flight. But if this is a redeye or something 4 plus hours even a slight recline makes a huge difference in the quality of sleep.

[‘Bob’]

No recline is a godsend. So sick of the general public who has no courtesy before they do so.

[MaxAuto]

Now getting seats that don't recline. It is one thing for Ryanair to do it when you pay a dollar but WJ has similar prices to AC and Porter,

Porter or AC for me thanks.

Don't pick that seat. And if you do they are fixed at a slight recline beyond the full upright of the previous seats.

WestJet is not the only airline in North America that does this. Majors in the US already have these seat configuration.

[daedalusx]

Now getting seats that don't recline. It is one thing for Ryanair to do it when you pay a dollar but WJ has similar prices to AC and Porter,

Porter or AC for me thanks.

Don't pick that seat. And if you do they are fixed at a slight recline beyond the full upright of the previous seats.

WestJet is not the only airline in North America that does this. Majors in the US already have these seat configuration.

Beside spirit and frontier, name me another airline that has 28in pitch in seats in economy. It’s a horrible trend and a complete 180 of the company’s current messaging to improve guest experience after screwing the passengers for years with swoop and Sunwing tail swaps.
Enjoy being forced to deadhead in one of these on a transatlantic crossing. Think it won’t happen to you ?

[ant_321]

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One of the few messages from the WestJet MEC I can get behind.

[safetyfirst123]

It's also one thing to do 28" seat pitch on shorter flights, or with real LCC's where you'll pay $50 for a ticket. Passengers are literally better off on a Swoop or Sunwing configured aircraft, or Flair for that matter. I can't imagine anybody being a repeat customer, especially on a trans-Atlantic flight or anything 4 hours or greater in 28" pitch. Westjet is going after the lowest common denominator, and every airline in North America that's doing this is doing poorly. Even Flair said the model doesn't work. Good luck.

[‘Bob’]

Beside spirit and frontier, name me another airline that has 28in pitch in seats in economy. It’s a horrible trend and a complete 180 of the company’s current messaging to improve guest experience after screwing the passengers for years with swoop and Sunwing tail swaps.
Enjoy being forced to deadhead in one of these on a transatlantic crossing. Think it won’t happen to you ?

I can guarantee it won’t happen to me.

Maybe it’s time to switch employers if it’s a possibility. Doesn’t AC put you in first class?

[mijbil]

We are told that Alexis and Diederik are going to go from YYC to YYZ on Nov 17th sitting in the new "Ryanair class" in the back of the new 180 seat configuration. i'm hoping the CSA can assign them middle seats each and preferably between a pair of 300 pound sumo wrestlers or the Costco sized North American variant

[daedalusx]

We are told that Alexis and Diederik are going to go from YYC to YYZ on Nov 17th sitting in the new "Ryanair class" in the back of the new 180 seat configuration. i'm hoping the CSA can assign them middle seats each and preferably between a pair of 300 pound sumo wrestlers or the Costco sized North American variant

Nah. We need to get ALPA to get some Caplanskys extra greasy smoke meat sandwiches… make em extra mayo extra pickles for the entire rows.

It’s such a stupid stunt. Obviously they’ll come out and say “Oh it was great because of the high speed internet and just like my wife said, an extra 2 inches wouldnt really make a difference”

[bdriver]

Pilots are hilarious. They cry when the company starts Swoop to compete with Flair. And then when they finally get rid of Swoop and everyone is making mainline wages, they cry when the company starts a Swoop class to compete with Flair. I swear, pilots are their own worst enemies.

[daedalusx]

Pilots are hilarious. They cry when the company starts Swoop to compete with Flair. And then when they finally get rid of Swoop and everyone is making mainline wages, they cry when the company starts a Swoop class to compete with Flair. I swear, pilots are their own worst enemies.

Yes because all of your experience playing Flight Simulator gave you the wisdom to know anything about running a profitable airline.
So listen up loser scum, time for some recent airline history:
Swoop lost millions.
The defunct WestJet cargo division lost millions.
Fucking up the AME negotiations leading to a strike ? Lost millions.
Cancelling deliveries and options on the 787? Lost millions
Dozens of Q400 parked in the weeds without crews ? Etc etc

Btw have you taken a look at the state of Flairs finance ? Do you have friends there who were laid off or had their base close or were forced out of their positions ? I do. The Canadian ULCC is cursed and so is the American one - have you looked at Frontier and Spirit recently ?

Oh and speaking of Flair, even they don’t even dare to offer a 28in seat pitch. It’s 29-30 in their 189 config.

What a retard. Actually you probably work in airline management - this would explain everything

[bdriver]

Pilots are hilarious. They cry when the company starts Swoop to compete with Flair. And then when they finally get rid of Swoop and everyone is making mainline wages, they cry when the company starts a Swoop class to compete with Flair. I swear, pilots are their own worst enemies.

Yes because all of your experience playing Flight Simulator gave you the wisdom to know anything about running a profitable airline.
So listen up loser scum, time for some recent airline history:
Swoop lost millions.
The defunct WestJet cargo division lost millions.
Fucking up the AME negotiations leading to a strike ? Lost millions.
Cancelling deliveries and options on the 787? Lost millions
Dozens of Q400 parked in the weeds without crews ? Etc etc

Btw have you taken a look at the state of Flairs finance ? Do you have friends there who were laid off or had their base close or were forced out of their positions ? I do. The Canadian ULCC is cursed and so is the American one - have you looked at Frontier and Spirit recently ?

Oh and speaking of Flair, even they don’t even dare to offer a 28in seat pitch. It’s 29-30 in their 189 config.

What a retard. Actually you probably work in airline management - this would explain everything

20 000 hour airline Captain dude. Better things to do than play flight simulator. Since you know it all, perhaps you should start an airline.

[JungleRiot]

The real question you should be asking is why would you wanna go somewhere where youre gunna be working 18 days per month, training past your block, worst reserve rules, worst trip and vacation rigs?

[safetyfirst123]

The real question you should be asking is why would you wanna go somewhere where youre gunna be working 18 days per month, training past your block, worst reserve rules, worst trip and vacation rigs?

Because that's how they do it, or that's how they've always done it, and you shouldn't ask questions and if you work there you should consider yourself lucky and they have a world class contract. They love to defend mediocrity and you should be happy.

[flieslikeachicken]

Pilots are hilarious. They cry when the company starts Swoop to compete with Flair. And then when they finally get rid of Swoop and everyone is making mainline wages, they cry when the company starts a Swoop class to compete with Flair. I swear, pilots are their own worst enemies.

The pilots didn't mind that Swoop was created. Pilots who aren't idiots want their employer to have good ideas to compete and stay relevant in the market. The issue was that Swoop was not created to compete with Flair, but instead created to have a second group of pilots who were paid significantly less, had worse work rules, and were taking flying (and therefore work) away from the main pilot group.

It is an attack on the entire purpose of a worker's union and it was exacerbated by Kaplan rubber stamping the second-class pilot idea.

If you are wondering why WestJet is so frowned upon when ten years ago it was considered the up and coming competitor to Air Canada for employees and customers, what they've done to the employees mirrors what they're doing to customers. During COVID, WestJet took the money from customers that paid for flights, cancelled the flights, and refused refunds to the original payment account, instead offering "travel credit" with an expiry date. When AMEs stated that they were going to strike, the company ignored them and pretended that they were immune to it. When the airline was shut down by the strike, the claimed it illegal (which is very possible they actually believed it, but they are paid too much to not plan for contingencies screaming in their faces).

The real question you should be asking is why would you wanna go somewhere where youre gunna be working 18 days per month, training past your block, worst reserve rules, worst trip and vacation rigs?

Because that's how they do it, or that's how they've always done it, and you shouldn't ask questions and if you work there you should consider yourself lucky and they have a world class contract. They love to defend mediocrity and you should be happy.

That's a dumb argument. All airlines start small and grow... that's not an excuse for pretending to be a small airline when you have tens of thousands of employees and 200 airplanes.

[safetyfirst123]

That's a dumb argument. All airlines start small and grow... that's not an excuse for pretending to be a small airline when you have tens of thousands of employees and 200 airplanes.

Exactly. They fly the NG/MAX like it's an old 737-200, and they don't want to evolve their contract because it's better than their previous jobs at Perimeter or Bearskin.

[BigQ]

Got a chance to fly the plane with the 28in pitch recently. Prior to boarding I went to try out the seat.

Let's just say if I ever have to sit in those rows, the passenger in front of me will be getting a free lower back massage from my knees.

I'm 6'4". Yikes.

[flying4dollars]

The real question you should be asking is why would you wanna go somewhere where youre gunna be working 18 days per month, training past your block, worst reserve rules, worst trip and vacation rigs?

Thread title: "Who wants to fly WJ"

Out of left field post: "Why would you work for AC?"

Man, this forum sometimes

[CGFCK]

The real question you should be asking is why would you wanna go somewhere where youre gunna be working 18 days per month, training past your block, worst reserve rules, worst trip and vacation rigs?

Lol...not wrong

But pilots at the top of the Seniority Pyramid scheme avoid a lot of these issues so it's not front and center.

They simply write it off as as "paying your dues".

Air Canada is all about timing. Get hired at the the right time, it can be a good run. Wrong time...ouch.

The contract is underwhelming but the rationalizations for it are World Class. Unlike the Collective Agreement

[pelmet]

Looks like WJ management took my advice and has stopped their revamp....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -9.7014001

I might have single-handedly saved the airline . You're welcome.

Maybe they would have survived, I have flown on TAP and Aegean in the last 14 months with their short seat pitch and it is not enjoyable.