Recall of MEC Chair & Vice Chair

[altiplano]

That sounds rational and reasonable, but the problem is that there would be no significant difference in your response whether the MEC hits the mark or misses it wildly. In other words, it doesn't matter what they did. If they succeeded or not. If all you should do is vote and then show unity, you're shooting yourself in the foot as an association IMO.

The time for unity is during negotiations and especially during strike votes. Now is the perfect time to be unhappy with your leadership and voice your concerns loudly and publically. Make it look like the union does not have its membership under control. Create a powder keg that is ready to blow at the right time. Make management afraid of a pilot group that is publically fed up, and -this is crucial- that comes together at the right time with a 99.99 strike vote and a 99% no vote when necessary. That's what will get results.

Being quiet and showing unity for years while keeping your frustrations hidden, will not.

Yeah. There is a difference. I think you have to look at the character of the individuals involved. Look at old ACPA, those guys weren't incompetent, because they didn't work for the pilots. They actively worked for the company and sucked whatever they could out of the pilot group.

"Don't worry Phil, this won't affect us"
Pay Group
Flat pay
B scale
C scale
Cargojet MOA
Pension division
Base politics

Those guys literally bought $1000 bottles of wine at their MEC retreats.

I went after those guys to the best of my ability for nearly 10 years when I came to that realization.

I don't question the character of the former MEC Chair or the people we had for CA1 though. I look at everything they did for us and how quickly they got us there, representation, expectation, unity, more... I thought 2023 reopener was going to be a write off, but they got us turned to save the opportunity.

There is no question that those reps worked for the pilots and other than a few things along the way in hindsight, ie. letting AC lead us on, and the burning platform we somehow found ourselves on at T-minus-hours, they ran a great game. I was never so proud of this group and to be a part of it.

It's like Seattle not giving the ball to Marshawn on the 1 yard line, in the verge of winning the Superbowl, and Williams throwing a pick instead... WTF... but they wanted to win, they ran a winning game, they just screwed up at the goal line. Inexperience? Loss of nerve? Fear of the unknown? $Billions in the bag now or maybe a bit more in the bush??? I don't know. I'm not in that room, but it was a big weight and damn hard choice and I understand that. They did what they thought was right... and let's be real, we made big fucking gains no matter what any of us say.

I will criticize their decision and learn from it, but I won't smear them or my association for it. We're on the same bench and I believe we are all trying to win for each other.

[BigGreen]

That sounds rational and reasonable, but the problem is that there would be no significant difference in your response whether the MEC hits the mark or misses it wildly. In other words, it doesn't matter what they did. If they succeeded or not. If all you should do is vote and then show unity, you're shooting yourself in the foot as an association IMO.

The time for unity is during negotiations and especially during strike votes. Now is the perfect time to be unhappy with your leadership and voice your concerns loudly and publically. Make it look like the union does not have its membership under control. Create a powder keg that is ready to blow at the right time. Make management afraid of a pilot group that is publically fed up, and -this is crucial- that comes together at the right time with a 99.99 strike vote and a 99% no vote when necessary. That's what will get results.

Being quiet and showing unity for years while keeping your frustrations hidden, will not.

Yeah. There is a difference. I think you have to look at the character of the individuals involved. Look at old ACPA, those guys weren't incompetent, because they didn't work for the pilots. They actively worked for the company and sucked whatever they could out of the pilot group.

"Don't worry Phil, this won't affect us"
Pay Group
Flat pay
B scale
C scale
Cargojet MOA
Pension division
Base politics

Those guys literally bought $1000 bottles of wine at their MEC retreats.

I went after those guys to the best of my ability for nearly 10 years when I came to that realization.

I don't question the character of the former MEC Chair or the people we had for CA1 though. I look at everything they did for us and how quickly they got us there, representation, expectation, unity, more... I thought 2023 reopener was going to be a write off, but they got us turned to save the opportunity.

There is no question that those reps worked for the pilots and other than a few things along the way in hindsight, ie. letting AC lead us on, and the burning platform we somehow found ourselves on at T-minus-hours, they ran a great game. I was never so proud of this group and to be a part of it.

It's like Seattle not giving the ball to Marshawn on the 1 yard line, in the verge of winning the Superbowl, and Williams throwing a pick instead... WTF... but they wanted to win, they ran a winning game, they just screwed up at the goal line. Inexperience? Loss of nerve? Fear of the unknown? $Billions in the bag now or maybe a bit more in the bush??? I don't know. I'm not in that room, but it was a big weight and damn hard choice and I understand that. They did what they thought was right... and let's be real, we made big fucking gains no matter what any of us say.

I will criticize their decision and learn from it, but I won't smear them or my association for it. We're on the same bench and I believe we are all trying to win for each other.

A whole lot of work for Westjet plus 2%.

(But without the long call reserve, productivity RIGs, profit sharing, trip trade etc)

Even ACPA surely could have at least matched WJ