Two CRJs collide at LaGuardia

[Dry Guy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4YBprRDTqs

[Dry Guy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4YBprRDTqs

Looks like Endeavor again. The YYZ flippers.

[nine sixteenths]

News is saying both were Delta

Hell of a way to become the topic of the next safety meeting

[Jean-Pierre]

Endeavour is a Delta feeder airline like Jazz. That's why the planes say Delta on the side.

[airway]

The RJ that got hit on the nose was cleared all the way into the ramp via M. The other RJ was taxiing out for take off but was told to hold short for the inbound RJ at M. He read the taxi clearance back correctly, but it was a confusing clearance as the controller included "hold short of RW 4 at M". M was about a mile away from RW 4.

[Donald]

"We need trucks on M"

"Say again?"

"We need trucks on A"

"The emergency trucks you say?"

"Affirm"

[ant_321]

"We need trucks on M"

"Say again?"

"We need trucks on A"

"The emergency trucks you say?"

"Affirm"

One magic word could have saved that confusion. The Americans aversion to it always baffles me.

[Sulako]

The RJ that got hit on the nose was cleared all the way into the ramp via M. The other RJ was taxiing out for take off but was told to hold short for the inbound RJ at M. He read the taxi clearance back correctly, but it was a confusing clearance as the controller included "hold short of RW 4 at M". M was about a mile away from RW 4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAkuQIQLTzI

I listened to the atc transmission and I heard it differently.

"Hold short of runway 4. At Mike, give way to company."

That makes more sense. If the crew heard "hold short of 4 at Mike. Give way to company." it would make it awkward, but the end result would be the same. They were supposed to give way to company traffic at Mike, and they didn't.

[Eric Janson]

The taxi clearance for the aircraft taxiing out was confusing - if I wasn't familiar with the airport I would be looking for 'M' much further down the taxiway towards RWY04.

A better clearance would have been "Taxi A hold short M".
Then further clearance once the other aircraft was clear.

Simple, effective communication. Would have prevented this accident imho.

The above is pretty standard everywhere - you get cleared to the point where you need to stop.

The best system is "follow the greens" - only a few airports have this unfortunately.

[boeingboy]

Really shitty ATC instructions...full stop. However - when you see the new video below - its all moot. Someone was NOT looking out the window as the were taxiing. Thank god the inbound crew was paying attention. The outbound crew blew it.

Here is another view and very well done video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvx2fGCpt_4

[pelmet]

Suspect that we had a situation of two captains that were both under the impression that they had the right of way and were continuing to taxi ahead. Only one captain had the correct impression. That being said, if you notice another aircraft taxiing fairly briskly toward your path, I would suggest making sure that they are starting to slow down.

The captain of the CRJ with the damaged wingtip(likely under the false impression that he had the right of way) was continuing through the intersection without slowing down and suddenly realized the impending hazard and tried to quickly maneuver to the left in an attempt to avoid a collision but it was too late. Perhaps he was hoping to avoid jamming on the brakes or it was just instinctive reaction.

[Tolippilot]

At canadian airports its always very clear where traffic is and atc will follow up with additional instructions anytime an aircraft is really even in your vicinity. ATC in canada always has very positive control and clear Verbiage/instructions for aircraft.
Where in the US ground controllers are often extremely over loaded with traffic, and give very poor or incomplete instructions to pilots. Often saying follow this aircraft, when there is 6 aircraft infront of you, or give way to united but you look ahead and there are three united aircraft infront of you, and ATC expects you to use common sense and right of way logic to taxi. While this is often ok, it does create room for confusion and mistakes. When I taxi in the US, they will often just say taxi to the gate, and im justnkinda on my own to make routing decisions to the gate, and keep an eye out for any conflicting traffic.

In this case it was during hours of darkness, and the two aircraft were taxiing along a parallel routing, making it hard to see their lights and precieve their routing. Aswell, giving an instruction like "give way to company at mike" in the middle of the night when you cannot easily see the markings on the aircraft is a dumb and dangerous instruction, perhaps they saw one aircraft taxi into the apron and believed that was there traffic and they were good to continue, not knowing there traffic was actually off to their left at the time out of sight.

US airports are a zoo on the ground and apron most of the time. They have too much going on. And also, aside from all this, what is going on at endeavor? These planes are crashing into each other, flipping over on runways, racking up recond numbers of cadors. Like, are they OK over there? Would be very curious to hear more about the crews involved.

[newlygrounded]

At canadian airports its always very clear where traffic is and atc will follow up with additional instructions anytime an aircraft is really even in your vicinity. ATC in canada always has very positive control and clear Verbiage/instructions for aircraft.
Where in the US ground controllers are often extremely over loaded with traffic, and give very poor or incomplete instructions to pilots. Often saying follow this aircraft, when there is 6 aircraft infront of you, or give way to united but you look ahead and there are three united aircraft infront of you, and ATC expects you to use common sense and right of way logic to taxi. While this is often ok, it does create room for confusion and mistakes. When I taxi in the US, they will often just say taxi to the gate, and im justnkinda on my own to make routing decisions to the gate, and keep an eye out for any conflicting traffic.

In this case it was during hours of darkness, and the two aircraft were taxiing along a parallel routing, making it hard to see their lights and precieve their routing. Aswell, giving an instruction like "give way to company at mike" in the middle of the night when you cannot easily see the markings on the aircraft is a dumb and dangerous instruction, perhaps they saw one aircraft taxi into the apron and believed that was there traffic and they were good to continue, not knowing there traffic was actually off to their left at the time out of sight.

US airports are a zoo on the ground and apron most of the time. They have too much going on. And also, aside from all this, what is going on at endeavor? These planes are crashing into each other, flipping over on runways, racking up recond numbers of cadors. Like, are they OK over there? Would be very curious to hear more about the crews involved.

Aren't the controllers not being paid right now as well?