Recent bid 25-05

[joefo]

Only 73 vacancies in this recent bid. Things finally coming to a halt?

[Tbayer2021]

Don't worry, the next one will be massive.

[PostmasterGeneral]

The last 4 bids have been flat. I was surprised they even ran one this fall.

[cdnavater]

Only 73 vacancies in this recent bid. Things finally coming to a halt?

Interesting, we were told that we are losing about that many to AC the next few months, that’s pretty much ends OTS for the next while.

[crystalpizza]

We're still running 2 classes per month of 25 each AFAIK. Bid 25-05 also doesn't account for the latest 25 pilots that started on September 24. This suggests that all vacancies will be on property by the end of this month - personally I'm not convinced nor worried, there's likely something either going on behind the scenes or about to change in some form.

[thepoors]

We're not getting airplanes, it's that simple.

787-10 delayed indefinitely.
321XLR first fin just rolling out of the factory, deliveries will start to trickle in next year.
A220 we were supposed to get 8 fins this year, I think we've had 3 delivered so far.

[Man_in_the_sky]

We're not getting airplanes, it's that simple.

787-10 delayed indefinitely.
321XLR first fin just rolling out of the factory, deliveries will start to trickle in next year.
A220 we were supposed to get 8 fins this year, I think we've had 3 delivered so far.

but getting a 220 every 3 weeks. so far, fin 139 is already on the line with no aog affecting the fleet

[fish4life]

Don’t underestimate softer trans border as well as a Canadian economy with low confidence

[Dias]

Interesting, we were told that we are losing about that many to AC the next few months, that’s pretty much ends OTS for the next while.

What a coincidence that the bid shows exactly the the same amount of pilots that the company has agreed to hire from Jazz.

There are legal reasons why bids won't show actual vacancies anymore.

[Turboprops]

We're still running 2 classes per month of 25 each AFAIK. Bid 25-05 also doesn't account for the latest 25 pilots that started on September 24. This suggests that all vacancies will be on property by the end of this month - personally I'm not convinced nor worried, there's likely something either going on behind the scenes or about to change in some form.

I was told only Westjet pilots drink the koolaid…

Man some of you guys, huge vacancies=we’re growing to be like Delta; 73 vacancies=nah it’s just a number we hire way more than that don’t worry

[Dry Guy]

Reminder to self: Did we hire 73 pilots from October 2025 to October 2026 as indicated by bid 25-05.

[Canadianpilot2024]

With Murray’s last email to the pilots there it does sound like we are well staffed with the current fleet.

Theres also the fact the xlrs will be replacing some of the 319/320’s so those aren’t fully expansion planes

The lynx fins are on a temp lease too so plan for more reductions on the 737 and no new tails coming in.

The 220s are seeing most of the growth and I’d expect to see more positions open up as tails come in. But no monster bids.

The 787 will create a lot of movement for senior guys but it’s also arguably overstaffed as is and how many new hires do they need for each tail?

Retirees are about 100 a year as well.

I don’t expect to see massive hiring like we saw the last few years for another decade or so when new orders are placed and deliveries are being made.

200-600 ish pilots a year would be my assumption of ops normal for the next couple years though.

But this is all mostly talking out of my butt. They could just be trying to fill up all the open positions in yyz before opening things up again. Lots of variables and assumptions out there.

[Flyboy736]

The lynx fins are on a temp lease too so plan for more reductions on the 737 and no new tails coming in.

But this is all mostly talking out of my butt.

The current Lynx fins aren't on a temp lease. They are supposed to be first in line getting the new Rouge configuration.

You also forgot about the 5 Lynx fins coming next year. Those are to be properly configured on the assembly line instead of needing a retro fit

[Me262]

Only 73 vacancies in this recent bid. Things finally coming to a halt?

Jazz is getting bought and integrated, extra 1100 pilots on property will ensure a good surplus

[rudder]

Only 73 vacancies in this recent bid. Things finally coming to a halt?

Jazz is getting bought and integrated, extra 1100 pilots on property will ensure a good surplus

Bought? Within the realm of possibilities. It is equally likely that Jazz would be sold to EIC as it is to AC.

Integrated? Highly unlikely and only resultant from a CIRB order upheld in judicial review.

[Inverted2]

Only 73 vacancies in this recent bid. Things finally coming to a halt?

Jazz is getting bought and integrated, extra 1100 pilots on property will ensure a good surplus

Only been hearing that one for 20 years now.
On the other hand, hiring has slowed to a trickle, fins being removed from fleet, no new orders on the horizon but they are hiring F/As for some reason while the pilot numbers continue to shrink.

[gqra]

Only 73 vacancies in this recent bid. Things finally coming to a halt?

Jazz is getting bought and integrated, extra 1100 pilots on property will ensure a good surplus

Only been hearing that one for 20 years now.
On the other hand, hiring has slowed to a trickle, fins being removed from fleet, no new orders on the horizon but they are hiring F/As for some reason while the pilot numbers continue to shrink.

This is very off topic, but f/a negotiations are coming up, so it's best for the company to dilute the voting base.

[yycflyguy]

Jazz is getting bought and integrated, extra 1100 pilots on property will ensure a good surplus

Only been hearing that one for 20 years now.
On the other hand, hiring has slowed to a trickle, fins being removed from fleet, no new orders on the horizon but they are hiring F/As for some reason while the pilot numbers continue to shrink.

This is very off topic, but f/a negotiations are coming up, so it's best for the company to dilute the voting base.

Vote already happened for the FAs. They’re in binding arbitration now so hiring new blood won’t dilute anything.

[gqra]

Only been hearing that one for 20 years now.
On the other hand, hiring has slowed to a trickle, fins being removed from fleet, no new orders on the horizon but they are hiring F/As for some reason while the pilot numbers continue to shrink.

This is very off topic, but f/a negotiations are coming up, so it's best for the company to dilute the voting base.

Vote already happened for the FAs. They’re in binding arbitration now so hiring new blood won’t dilute anything.

Jazz f/a's

[Flyboy736]

Only 73 vacancies in this recent bid. Things finally coming to a halt?

Jazz is getting bought and integrated, extra 1100 pilots on property will ensure a good surplus

Only been hearing that one for 20 years now.
On the other hand, hiring has slowed to a trickle, fins being removed from fleet, no new orders on the horizon but they are hiring F/As for some reason while the pilot numbers continue to shrink.

For some reason? The new contract requires more FAs so they are hiring more!

[gqra]

Jazz is getting bought and integrated, extra 1100 pilots on property will ensure a good surplus

Only been hearing that one for 20 years now.
On the other hand, hiring has slowed to a trickle, fins being removed from fleet, no new orders on the horizon but they are hiring F/As for some reason while the pilot numbers continue to shrink.

For some reason? The new contract requires more FAs so they are hiring more!

JAZZ F/A's!

[thepoors]

Only 73 vacancies in this recent bid. Things finally coming to a halt?

Jazz is getting bought and integrated, extra 1100 pilots on property will ensure a good surplus

Only been hearing that one for 20 years now.
On the other hand, hiring has slowed to a trickle, fins being removed from fleet, no new orders on the horizon but they are hiring F/As for some reason while the pilot numbers continue to shrink.

I think once AC gets all the 220s delivered, that fleet will make Jazz mostly redundant. They are doing more and more Jazz flying while cutting low volume routes. I think it's a matter of time before Jazz is folded in one way or another.

[TheStig]

duplicate post.

[TheStig]

Pilot hiring for the remainder of 2025 will be mostly from Jazz. 2026 is projected to be around 200 hires.

Most of the vacancies on 25-05 look to be in the 319 FO position and the company doesn't seem to be offering any of these spots to PIT classes, which makes sense as the fleet will be winding down.

30 older 319/320's (from both mainline and rouge) will be retired as 321XLR's (24) and 220's (21) join the fleet. The rouge fleet will also be larger than it is today with 45 737's vs 34 airbus'.

In the past 10 years the 737, 320 and 330 fleets have had some used aircraft (or lynx configured) added with different configurations, with a focus on adding capacity to meet demand. The airline has shifted focus on being able to offer a consistent product, whether it's the 737 at rouge or the reconfigured 320/321's at mainline.

The company has lowered its projected growth forecast for 2025 after the strike, but hasn't provided any update for 2026. However, with the first 787-10 not expected until Q3 '26 and only a small number of XLR's arriving before the summer, 2026 looks set with the latest bid reaffirming the previous bids pilot requirements. It would seem that the 2026 to 2030 growth plan has been shifted to the 2027-2030 growth plan while the airline awaits deliveries.