Emirates after AC

[Daniel Cooper]

Why Altiplano even entertained responding

I think this is what people find so annoying about big boomer energy. If you hear someone saying that they can't afford the current cost of living I don't think they're looking for your tips on how to cut spending. Just say nothing if you don't agree that decent housing is unaffordable. If you do have to say something, acknowledging how much easier your generation had it would be more appropriate.

[Tbayer2021]

Why Altiplano even entertained responding

I think this is what people find so annoying about big boomer energy. If you hear someone saying that they can't afford the current cost of living I don't think they're looking for your tips on how to cut spending. Just say nothing if you don't agree that decent housing is unaffordable. If you do have to say something, acknowledging how much easier your generation had it would be more appropriate.

Most of them will never even come close to acknowledging it. Many have tried in countless ways and boomers just dig in deeper. Trying to explain things to cndavater only got me a lecture on how rough he personally had it. And while that may be true, he seems to think that his generation didn't have it better simply because he seems to have been one of the exceptions. Somehow they seem to have no problem ignoring the fact that by every conceivable metric, millennials and younger are worse off than boombers and gen X's.

What can we expect from a generation that literally had everything handed to them.

[digits_]

Why Altiplano even entertained responding

I think this is what people find so annoying about big boomer energy. If you hear someone saying that they can't afford the current cost of living I don't think they're looking for your tips on how to cut spending. Just say nothing if you don't agree that decent housing is unaffordable. If you do have to say something, acknowledging how much easier your generation had it would be more appropriate.

Most of them will never even come close to acknowledging it. Many have tried in countless ways and boomers just dig in deeper. Trying to explain things to cndavater only got me a lecture on how rough he personally had it. And while that may be true, he seems to think that his generation didn't have it better simply because he seems to have been one of the exceptions. Somehow they seem to have no problem ignoring the fact that by every conceivable metric, millennials and younger are worse off than boombers and gen X's.

What can we expect from a generation that literally had everything handed to them.

That might all be true, but even in hard(er) times, cutting expenses is absolutely a valid approach. The examples mentioned before bear repeating. Spending 5/10/20... dollars daily on unnecessary stuff does add up. Financing a new car if you don't own a home yet is absolutely insane. Going out instead of cooking on a budget yourself will cost more. A 200 dollar chinese phone clone with a cheap plan works just as well as a new model iphone. You don't *need* to go on a weekly booze binge. you don't *need* to go out every week or every month.

It is sometimes disheartening to see young people having trouble coming up with a downpayment for a house, yet drive around in vehicles that cost twice their annual salary. And never cooking, very often buying take out etc. Living a lifestyle they can't afford yet. The problem is that once you start doing this, it's very hard to dial things down again. And once you fall into the debt trap, it becomes almost impossible.

If you have any debt other than student loans and you're trying to buy a house, you're doing it wrong. A penny saved is a penny earned might not be relevant anymore, but a dollar saved is still a dollar earned. The little things do matter.

There are absolutely people who do everything right and still can't make it. And that group is likely bigger than 20 or 40 years ago. But chances are, if you're on this forum, there are still possibilities to get what you want. Start by calculating what you actually need. Set a budget, stick to it. Accept what is possible and what is not, and things will likely turn out much better than expected.

[flying4dollars]

Without turning this into a generational debate, I'm not criticizing altiplano at all. I just don't know why he kept trying to argue with more plates. He was getting pretty defensive over what he thought were comments saying AC was better than Emirates and got worked up over it. Altiplano rebutted once and if it were me, I'd have just made my point once and moved on as you'll never reason with guys who get super defensive like that. That's all.

[The Brantford Boomer]

I'LL GET THE LAST WORD IF I GOTTA MAIL IT TO YA

[5degrees]

I'LL GET THE LAST WORD IF I GOTTA MAIL IT TO YA

This is the best account on here since the 748HO days.

[MorePlates]

I don't think anyone was claiming AC as a company is better than Emirates. The discussion was more a subjective one than objective. Yes, the remuneration package is far superior there, but there a lot of things that AC pilots have that are better than what an Emirates pilot has. The better option is not an easy answer as it really depends on the person who's lucky enough to have the choice between the 2. Age, family, responsibilities etc all play a role in the better choice, so it makes it a very subjective decision. I worked with a LOT of ex emirates pilots during/after the pandemic and there were those that would absolutely go back and loved it and despised anything here, and there were those who hated it there and wished they came here sooner. To each their own.

I must ask though, why would you be so bothered if someone were to come on here and say "Air Canada is a better company than Emirates". Why take it so personally? Does that statement really affect you in any way? Your inability to control your emotions is what drops your credibility. Why Altiplano even entertained responding to your constant mud slinging is beyond me but my dude, as others mentioned including yourself, take a breath. It's like Audi and BMW fanboys arguing which car is better. If you're in a position to afford either, then what the hell are you so amped up about?

I’ll just give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend you didn’t see the comments on page one literally claiming AC is better. Starting a reply by telling me I’m wrong would’ve been pretty amusing, considering the rant you went on later.

lol. Lmao even. It’s way worse than even junior AC WB flying.

You’re absolutely tarded to leave a career like this at 28 to go over the sandbox and all its BS only to come back at 38 ? Then what?

That’s going to be ten years of your life you will never get back. You’ll make good money (for now.. until the next global crisis which cleaned out the last group of expats) but you’ll have no life and a soul sucking job that takes all of your waking hours (and more than a few sleeping ones as well).

And sure, I’m positive an AC pilot has plenty of things better than an Emirates pilot, like standing around with signs hoping for a pay raise.

As I’ve said from my very first comment, whether moving to EK is worth it is subjective, but for someone like the original poster, 28 and single, EK wipes the floor with AC.

Bothered? Sure. Not in the dramatic way you’re imagining, so maybe take a deep breath.

Does it affect me directly? No. But it has affected people I know, and it’ll affect more, which honestly makes me sad. I know two great pilots who skipped the EK move because “seniors” told them the company was crap. Should they have researched? Yes. But I don’t blame them after seeing the nonsense posted here. Now it’s no longer feasible for them. Maybe they’d have hated it, maybe not, but they didn’t even get to try because of false statements. That’s what bothers me.

Altiplano replied to me first and completely missed the point I was making.

I couldn’t care less about housing costs or what he or you or anyone else had to do to get one. My point is simple, compared to most legacies worldwide, AC is one of the lowest-paying, starting at what, $60k post-tax? And not long ago it was $40k? Absolutely laughable.

And then AC pilots still try to defend this? It's embarrassing.

If it were me, I'd have just made my point once and moved on as you'll never reason with guys who get super defensive like that. That's all.

Now, move on. I have no interest in hearing any more of the embarrassing things you have to say.

[Jean-Pierre]

Nothing wrong with being frugal, but let us get thing straight, you are lowering your standard of living because things are getting worse. even though the economy is far more productive than it was in the 1950s, changes in society and the way wealth is distributed mean you can no loner pay off a home on a single income while supporting a family.

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

I dont think anyone is going to disagree AC pilots can't negotiate jack sheet.

A 10 yrs deal to 4 years tragic flat pay then somehow a World Class Contract meant pissing away a bonus with world worst reserve and productivity...


And can't even implement their comical work rules gains.

It's insane really.

[altiplano]

Why Altiplano even entertained responding

I think this is what people find so annoying about big boomer energy. If you hear someone saying that they can't afford the current cost of living I don't think they're looking for your tips on how to cut spending. Just say nothing if you don't agree that decent housing is unaffordable. If you do have to say something, acknowledging how much easier your generation had it would be more appropriate.

I only replied - didn't bring it up - that avoiding frivolous spending on take out and coffee lunches makes a difference when you are starting out and that the opportunity cost of that money is much higher than the price paid.

It doesn't matter what year it is, people starting out have it tough. I don't think my road was easier than anyone else's, in fact it was damn hard, and I'm not even close to being a boomer so move along on that shit.

Like seriously, on one side the kid tells me what a loser I am that I only recently got on top of it all, now you're telling me how easy I had it... which is it?

Fact is also that the AC pay and benefits package pre-tax is higher than EK - the issue is Canadian taxes. No doubt that offshoring for tax purposes is a major benefit. Whether you are in the Bahamas commuting to YYZ or full time DXB - Canadian taxes are a major problem.

[MorePlates]

I only replied - didn't bring it up - that avoiding frivolous spending on take out and coffee lunches makes a difference when you are starting out and that the opportunity cost of that money is much higher than the price paid.

It doesn't matter what year it is, people starting out have it tough. I don't think my road was easier than anyone else's, in fact it was damn hard, and I'm not even close to being a boomer so move along on that shit.

Like seriously, on one side the kid tells me what a loser I am that I only recently got on top of it all, now you're telling me how easy I had it... which is it?

Fact is also that the AC pay and benefits package pre-tax is higher than EK - the issue is Canadian taxes. No doubt that offshoring for tax purposes is a major benefit. Whether you are in the Bahamas commuting to YYZ or full time DXB - Canadian taxes are a major problem.

Hello, my friend. How have you been? Hopefully still enjoying the house and feeling just guilty enough for us.

You’re not a loser, you’re loved. You’ve just been lied to repeatedly, which, honestly, isn’t your fault. You’re important, worthy, and all that good stuff.

But really, your coping strategies? Immaculate. Truly inspiring. Please, share your secrets.
Like how you flawlessly blame taxes, coffee, and Uber Eats for everything, but never the sacred company. I admire the loyalty. You’re a devoted subject, Altiplano.

And he actually believes the pay structure wouldn’t magically shift if taxes were, say, 20% here in Canada for that pay range. Adorable.

All this loyalty… to a company that only recently bumped starting pay from about $40K to around $60K after tax. Cute.

[altiplano]

What are you still doing here? I thought you'd be in Dubai by now.

[twa22]

Why Altiplano even entertained responding

I think this is what people find so annoying about big boomer energy. If you hear someone saying that they can't afford the current cost of living I don't think they're looking for your tips on how to cut spending. Just say nothing if you don't agree that decent housing is unaffordable. If you do have to say something, acknowledging how much easier your generation had it would be more appropriate.

I only replied - didn't bring it up - that avoiding frivolous spending on take out and coffee lunches makes a difference when you are starting out and that the opportunity cost of that money is much higher than the price paid.

It doesn't matter what year it is, people starting out have it tough. I don't think my road was easier than anyone else's, in fact it was damn hard, and I'm not even close to being a boomer so move along on that shit.

Like seriously, on one side the kid tells me what a loser I am that I only recently got on top of it all, now you're telling me how easy I had it... which is it?

Fact is also that the AC pay and benefits package pre-tax is higher than EK - the issue is Canadian taxes. No doubt that offshoring for tax purposes is a major benefit. Whether you are in the Bahamas commuting to YYZ or full time DXB - Canadian taxes are a major problem.

Sure, it's a fact, pre tax like you said, so who gives a shit... It's very simple, what do I take home, and what is my cost of living. Black and white, EK wins, and that you can't deny.

[MorePlates]

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[altiplano]

Sure, it's a fact, pre tax like you said, so who gives a shit... It's very simple, what do I take home, and what is my cost of living. Black and white, EK wins, and that you can't deny.

Pretty much everywhere else wins when it comes to taxes for wage earners in this country... it's brutal.

There are a lot of ways to carve it all up on what is better for one person over another.

A guy living in the Bahamas and commuting for AC might be making out pretty good. Maybe he's the winner in all this. No taxes and a better schedule than EK and bonefishing out his front door.

[MorePlates]

Pretty much everywhere else wins when it comes to taxes for wage earners in this country... it's brutal.

There are a lot of ways to carve it all up on what is better for one person over another.

A guy living in the Bahamas and commuting for AC might be making out better than an EK guy. Maybe he's the winner in all this. No taxes and a better schedule than EK and bonefishing out his front door.

The cope is insane

And no, even in your comparison, the company you serve still loses.

[737Drver]

Sure, it's a fact, pre tax like you said, so who gives a shit... It's very simple, what do I take home, and what is my cost of living. Black and white, EK wins, and that you can't deny.

Pretty much everywhere else wins when it comes to taxes for wage earners in this country... it's brutal.

There are a lot of ways to carve it all up on what is better for one person over another.

A guy living in the Bahamas and commuting for AC might be making out pretty good. Maybe he's the winner in all this. No taxes and a better schedule than EK and bonefishing out his front door.

How many AC pilots are on reserve per month?

How can you commute when all you have is short call reserve?! This is among the worst in the industry. At least WJ has long call which makes commuting much more feasible.

[thepoors]

Meanwhile I was just chatting with a 3rd year SWA FO who is making more than any NB CA at AC. It's not that we're in the B league... we're not even playing the same sport. These guys are living a lifestyle that, for all intents and purposes, is completely unattainable here.

The detachment from guys like altiplano is a pure trauma response from someone who's been in the suck for far too long and doesn't know right from up anymore. All they can do is cope because what else do they have? Apart from finger wagging at the younger generation and convincing themselves that they actually have it pretty great because of all the "sacrifices" they made. It's really sad how far down the toilet they've let this profession slip and the lengths of excuses they will fabricate to justify to themselves that they aren't pathetic losers. While worshipping the company that treats them as such.

[altiplano]

You guys are fucking idiots.

I'm not saying that AC is all that.

And Emirates sure isn't either.

Yeah, AC wages and terms have a long way to go after the real boomers fucked them so bad for 20 years.

Yeah, the state of Canada and Canadians taxes are bullshit and we need to be paid even more to make up for it. Thank the real boomers for that one, and honestly you fucking children that keep voting for socialists and digging us deeper.

But it's really the inability to comprehend and seperate ideas in discussion from the one track shitstreams coming out of your keyboards that belies that it's no fucking wonder the suck is so bad in this country. Fucking morons. Get fucked.

[MorePlates]

You guys are fucking idiots.

I'm not saying that AC is all that.

And Emirates sure isn't either.

Yeah, AC wages and terms have a long way to go after the real boomers fucked them so bad for 20 years.

Yeah, the state of Canada and Canadians taxes are bullshit and we need to be paid even more to make up for it. Thank the real boomers for that one, and honestly you fucking children that keep voting for socialists and digging us deeper.

But it's really the inability to comprehend and seperate ideas in discussion from the one track shitstreams coming out of your keyboards that belies that it's no fucking wonder the suck is so bad in this country. Fucking morons. Get fucked.

Oh wow, altiplano, did you finally crack after 50 years?

What’s with the meltdown, buddy? I figured this would happen eventually, which is why I kept telling you and your crew to take a few deep breaths before smashing that reply button.

Everything alright in your real life, or did I finally burst the little bubble you’ve been floating around in?

Is the house not what you wanted, or just not where you imagined it would be?

[MorePlates]

Meanwhile I was just chatting with a 3rd year SWA FO who is making more than any NB CA at AC. It's not that we're in the B league... we're not even playing the same sport. These guys are living a lifestyle that, for all intents and purposes, is completely unattainable here.

The detachment from guys like altiplano is a pure trauma response from someone who's been in the suck for far too long and doesn't know right from up anymore. All they can do is cope because what else do they have? Apart from finger wagging at the younger generation and convincing themselves that they actually have it pretty great because of all the "sacrifices" they made. It's really sad how far down the toilet they've let this profession slip and the lengths of excuses they will fabricate to justify to themselves that they aren't pathetic losers. While worshipping the company that treats them as such.

Unattainable, you say?

Have you tried ditching the coffee and getting a slow cooker?

[Blueontop]

You guys are fucking idiots.

I'm not saying that AC is all that.

And Emirates sure isn't either.

Yeah, AC wages and terms have a long way to go after the real boomers fucked them so bad for 20 years.

Yeah, the state of Canada and Canadians taxes are bullshit and we need to be paid even more to make up for it. Thank the real boomers for that one, and honestly you fucking children that keep voting for socialists and digging us deeper.

But it's really the inability to comprehend and seperate ideas in discussion from the one track shitstreams coming out of your keyboards that belies that it's no fucking wonder the suck is so bad in this country. Fucking morons. Get fucked.

Ummm Trudope 2.0 (Carney) rode in on a wave boomer votes that were more worried about protecting their investments and house prices against Trump than looking objectively at the past 10 years liberal leadership. More “young” voters voted for a change but again were foiled by the greatest entitlement generation the world has ever seen.

But hey elbows up right and a trade deal by Canada day. Eh..

[flying4dollars]

Every once in a while a keyboard warrior comes on here puffing his chest. What is more plates so angry about?

[Dry Guy]

Yeah, AC wages and terms have a long way to go after the real boomers fucked them so bad for 20 years.

Yeah, the state of Canada and Canadians taxes are bullshit and we need to be paid even more to make up for it. Thank the real boomers for that one, and honestly you fucking children that keep voting for socialists and digging us deeper.

Thank you!

[MorePlates]

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