Westjet 737 Gear collapse in SXM today

[boeingboy]

http://smn-news.com/index.php/st-maart ... arten.html

So the TSB is saying not a hard landing. Looks like a broken part that failed.

Yes - pretty much what I posted 3 weeks ago right above your post

[jpilot77]

http://smn-news.com/index.php/st-maart ... arten.html

So the TSB is saying not a hard landing. Looks like a broken part that failed.

Yes - pretty much what I posted 3 weeks ago right above your post

True you did, but the TSB has confirmed.

[boeingboy]

http://smn-news.com/index.php/st-maart ... arten.html

So the TSB is saying not a hard landing. Looks like a broken part that failed.

Yes - pretty much what I posted 3 weeks ago right above your post

True you did, but the TSB has confirmed.

Yea - I posted direct from the TSB and even said it was right from them.

[goldeneagle]

So has it been fixed up enough to fly out yet ?

[boeingboy]

So has it been fixed up enough to fly out yet ?

Flies out next month

[planenuts]

The plane flew home today. Well done to the Tech ops group!

[Daniel Cooper]

Impressive stuff. I'm sure the engineers didn't mind working in St. Martin for a couple months instead of Iqaluit.

[goldeneagle]

Impressive stuff. I'm sure the engineers didn't mind working in St. Martin for a couple months instead of Iqaluit.

I'd be curious, was it WJ staff down there, or did they hire an AOG company...

[fish4life]

Impressive stuff. I'm sure the engineers didn't mind working in St. Martin for a couple months instead of Iqaluit.

I'd be curious, was it WJ staff down there, or did they hire an AOG company...

Heard it was a team from Boeing actually which would make sense since WJ probably wouldn’t have the people to do the engineering signoffs for repairs.

[planenuts]

Impressive stuff. I'm sure the engineers didn't mind working in St. Martin for a couple months instead of Iqaluit.

I'd be curious, was it WJ staff down there, or did they hire an AOG company...

Heard it was a team from Boeing actually which would make sense since WJ probably wouldn’t have the people to do the engineering signoffs for repairs.

WJ mechanics did the recovery, repairs and inspections. A group of Boeing engineers were on site for about the last month and did some inspections such as checking for a bent airframe. They would also coordinate other more complicated issues and have Westjet execute them. The vast majority of the on-site work was done by WJ.

The aircraft is now back in YYZ

[fish4life]

I'd be curious, was it WJ staff down there, or did they hire an AOG company...

Heard it was a team from Boeing actually which would make sense since WJ probably wouldn’t have the people to do the engineering signoffs for repairs.

WJ mechanics did the recovery, repairs and inspections. A group of Boeing engineers were on site for about the last month and did some inspections such as checking for a bent airframe. They would also coordinate other more complicated issues and have Westjet execute them. The vast majority of the on-site work was done by WJ.

The aircraft is now back in YYZ

Good to know

[goldeneagle]

Test flight before it went north

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Tb4DlP54A

[Dias]

SXM is not where I would choose to test brand new landing gear.

[Tbayer2021]

SXM is not where I would choose to test brand new landing gear.

You should let Boeing know. They probably didn't think of that one.

[Daniel Cooper]

They used Boeing pilots for the test flight?

I've had AMEs instruct me to do ridiculous things for test flights, and during ground engine run ups. It's up to the pilot to decide what the best course of action is for a flight not the engineers.

That said I don't think doing the test flight and landing in St. Maarten was inherently unsafe. There may have been some legal reason why it couldn't be flown internationally until a test flight was complete. That factor would have to be weighed against the safety of landing on that runway.

[planenuts]

They used Boeing pilots for the test flight?

I've had AMEs instruct me to do ridiculous things for test flights, and during ground engine run ups. It's up to the pilot to decide what the best course of action is for a flight not the engineers.

That said I don't think doing the test flight and landing in St. Maarten was inherently unsafe. There may have been some legal reason why it couldn't be flown internationally until a test flight was complete. That factor would have to be weighed against the safety of landing on that runway.

Not sure what your getting at.

First - it was Westjet pilots that did the test flight.

Second the only instructions they had were to do a full thrust takeoff and to check aileron control forces during the flight.

[Pacqing]

Are not test flights done after some maintenance task is performed?
Therefore it's up to the Engineers not the pilot as to what's to be done on the flight.

[Dry Guy]

The person responsible for an aircraft in-flight is the Pilot in Command. I don't even need multiple choice to know that anymore.

[goldeneagle]

I've had AMEs instruct me to do ridiculous things for test flights, and during ground engine run ups. It's up to the pilot to decide what the best course of action is for a flight not the engineers.

I'm sure a couple pilots fresh off a deadhead into SXM know full well better what needs to be checked, far better than the folks that have spent a couple months fixing it, and know exactly what systems were touched, and what the ramifications of those may be.

[SpyPilot]

If I were running flight-ops I'd have the guys who flew it in fly it out.

No reason really. Just cuz.

[Eric Janson]

Are not test flights done after some maintenance task is performed?
Therefore it's up to the Engineers not the pilot as to what's to be done on the flight.

Normally test flights are performed by Pilots who have been trained for this. Normally they will have taken a course at the manufacturer.

What needs to be done should come from the manufacturer - this should be briefed by all parties involved before a flight is performed.

[pelmet]

Are not test flights done after some maintenance task is performed?
Therefore it's up to the Engineers not the pilot as to what's to be done on the flight.

Normally test flights are performed by Pilots who have been trained for this. Normally they will have taken a course at the manufacturer.

What needs to be done should come from the manufacturer - this should be briefed by all parties involved before a flight is performed.

Do we even know what was required to be done on this post-maintenance check flight(or was it actually a test flight?). Maybe the only thing that was required was to cycle the gear.

I have done post-maintenance check flights on several large types and didn't take any course with either manufacturer.

The only test flight I ever did was a gross weight increase where TC issued a certificate that had to be carried on board(and a bunch of instructions) allowing that test flights to be accomplished.

[planenuts]

Are not test flights done after some maintenance task is performed?
Therefore it's up to the Engineers not the pilot as to what's to be done on the flight.

Normally test flights are performed by Pilots who have been trained for this. Normally they will have taken a course at the manufacturer.

What needs to be done should come from the manufacturer - this should be briefed by all parties involved before a flight is performed.

Do we even know what was required to be done on this post-maintenance check flight(or was it actually a test flight?). Maybe the only thing that was required was to cycle the gear.

I have done post-maintenance check flights on several large types and didn't take any course with either manufacturer.

The only test flight I ever did was a gross weight increase where TC issued a certificate that had to be carried on board(and a bunch of instructions) allowing that test flights to be accomplished.

Eric is right - we have dedicated pilots who do all test flights.

The gear was swung on the ground - no way that would ever be put to a test flight.

As I said earlier - the only requirements were for a full trust takeoff and a check of the aileron control forces during flight. Specific log entries are made detailing the nature of the test flight and exactly what is required to be checked. The pilots then sign off that specific check as either satisfactory or unsatisfactory.

[pelmet]

Normally test flights are performed by Pilots who have been trained for this. Normally they will have taken a course at the manufacturer.

What needs to be done should come from the manufacturer - this should be briefed by all parties involved before a flight is performed.

Do we even know what was required to be done on this post-maintenance check flight(or was it actually a test flight?). Maybe the only thing that was required was to cycle the gear.

I have done post-maintenance check flights on several large types and didn't take any course with either manufacturer.

The only test flight I ever did was a gross weight increase where TC issued a certificate that had to be carried on board(and a bunch of instructions) allowing that test flights to be accomplished.

Eric is right - we have dedicated pilots who do all test flights.

The gear was swung on the ground - no way that would ever be put to a test flight.

As I said earlier - the only requirements were for a full trust takeoff and a check of the aileron control forces during flight. Specific log entries are made detailing the nature of the test flight and exactly what is required to be checked. The pilots then sign off that specific check as either satisfactory or unsatisfactory.

Full thrust takeoff and aileron control force check. Sounds like the time I did a post maintenance check flight on such type. Was just done by regular crews. More in depth checks on one type in the company was done by certain captains only while another type had any line captain/First officer doing it.

Do WJ pilots doing these flights take a specific course for this at the manufacturer? Captain and F/O?