Strike outcome desires

[thepoors]

Really good outcome. This is starting to look like something that can be built upon. Shameful for AC.

[CanadianPilotQc]

thats a great TA. Well done guys

[flying4dollars]

Impressive! Long call reserve too. I wish we had this at AC but happy someone in Canada finally got it (not aware of anyone else that has this here). Well done TS!

[5degrees]

Impressive! Long call reserve too. I wish we had this at AC but happy someone in Canada finally got it (not aware of anyone else that has this here). Well done TS!

WestJet has long call since the last CA. Best fit reserve instead of seniority is a concession imo. 100% DH pay is great, same with the seating rules.

[Hysteria]

I just read that there will be long call reserve. Absolute win. How will that be awarded? Junior-most = short call?

[QKZXKV]

Solid TA

[330heavy]

A huge thanks to the negotiation committee for the hard work and long hours, and to the MEC and reps! Also, thanks to the unified pilot group, and to all those who supported us at the info picket (AC, WJ, Porter, Jazz, Delta, Fedex, Flair, etc etc). Yes a few things aren't great, but overall, it's mostly what we asked for, and given the circumstances, it's a fair and modern contract that we deserve.

[TFTMB heavy]

Best fit is a step back but we had floating days off on reserve, only 4 were fixed and untouchable. Floating ones are gone, company has to have a way to cover flights without always paying draft pay.

Everyone seems pretty happy with the TA.

[jpilot77]

Where LTD and pension upgrades changed in this TA?

[TFTMB heavy]

Where LTD and pension upgrades changed in this TA?

LTD will have different levels to choose from and there's a process in place to get into a pension plan. Similar to what WS did on their last deal.

The executive summary is pretty good but once we have the whole agreement and attend road shows things will be clear.

[jpilot77]

Where LTD and pension upgrades changed in this TA?

LTD will have different levels to choose from and there's a process in place to get into a pension plan. Similar to what WS did on their last deal.

The executive summary is pretty good but once we have the whole agreement and attend road shows things will be clear.

Good job!

[flying4dollars]

Impressive! Long call reserve too. I wish we had this at AC but happy someone in Canada finally got it (not aware of anyone else that has this here). Well done TS!

WestJet has long call since the last CA. Best fit reserve instead of seniority is a concession imo. 100% DH pay is great, same with the seating rules.

I agree best fit is the devil, though it has many times worked in my favour. But generally I agree it should be seniority based like everything else. What's the long call at WJ?

[CL-Skadoo!]

Air Canada watching you guys not eat your young for a contract:
“are you guys going to eat those junior pilots, because we sure would like to”

[FNGYYZ]

Impressive! Long call reserve too. I wish we had this at AC but happy someone in Canada finally got it (not aware of anyone else that has this here). Well done TS!

WestJet has long call since the last CA. Best fit reserve instead of seniority is a concession imo. 100% DH pay is great, same with the seating rules.

I agree best fit is the devil, though it has many times worked in my favour. But generally I agree it should be seniority based like everything else. What's the long call at WJ?

WestJet is 12 hours...so basically Air Canada has the worst reserve out there.

[cdnavater]

WestJet has long call since the last CA. Best fit reserve instead of seniority is a concession imo. 100% DH pay is great, same with the seating rules.

I agree best fit is the devil, though it has many times worked in my favour. But generally I agree it should be seniority based like everything else. What's the long call at WJ?

WestJet is 12 hours...so basically Air Canada has the worst reserve out there.

12 hours, so they call you at 6pm for a 6 am report? How would you get there if you were not at your base?
The benefit of long call reserve is supposed to be for a commuter to be at home, get the call and head to work, otherwise who cares, it should be 24 hours

[5degrees]

I agree best fit is the devil, though it has many times worked in my favour. But generally I agree it should be seniority based like everything else. What's the long call at WJ?

WestJet is 12 hours...so basically Air Canada has the worst reserve out there.

12 hours, so they call you at 6pm for a 6 am report? How would you get there if you were not at your base?
The benefit of long call reserve is supposed to be for a commuter to be at home, get the call and head to work, otherwise who cares, it should be 24 hours

It's 14 hours not 12.

[khedrei]

Air Canada watching you guys not eat your young for a contract:
“are you guys going to eat those junior pilots, because we sure would like to”

The Jr TRZ pilots still dont have a living wage in the cities that TRZ is based while the Sr captains got 100k extra to buy that 3rd boat. Looks very much like they were happy to eat their JR pilots just like AC. Looks like par for the course in the airline world of aviation.

[flyingcanuck]

Air Canada watching you guys not eat your young for a contract:
“are you guys going to eat those junior pilots, because we sure would like to”

The Jr TRZ pilots still dont have a living wage in the cities that TRZ is based while the Sr captains got 100k extra to buy that 3rd boat. Looks very much like they were happy to eat their JR pilots just like AC. Looks like par for the course in the airline world of aviation.

yeah and very few upgrades available. they did the same we did, money to the top

[thepoors]

Air Canada watching you guys not eat your young for a contract:
“are you guys going to eat those junior pilots, because we sure would like to”

The Jr TRZ pilots still dont have a living wage in the cities that TRZ is based while the Sr captains got 100k extra to buy that 3rd boat. Looks very much like they were happy to eat their JR pilots just like AC. Looks like par for the course in the airline world of aviation.

Agree, it's still a joke. Only a slight improvement from AC.

YR3 FO at AT is 46% of CA pay and it gets to 67% at YR10. (But this is skewed because the CA scale is 4 years longer).
YR3 NB FO at AC is 42% of CA pay, WB FO is 37%...Top of scale at AC, NB FO is 66% and WB is 65%.

For these wages to be liveable we need to get to 50% of CA pay from YR1, and the RP position needs to be eliminated it's a farce. That's a big factor in the US pay scales - they actually value the FO position.

[stall]

Its hilarious to see all the AC dissident posters pile in here to give their "expert" advice on late stage bargaining. Like they have a clue. Transat pilots will do whats best for them given the circumstances at hand. And those circumstances by the way, are entirely different from those faced by AC or even before with WestJet. Its a small airline vs national carrier, weak balance sheet vs a strong one, and the political environment both provicially and federally is completely different.

So Mr Yes, tell me how Air Transat, a leisure carrier with a weak balanced sheet managed to secure gains that Air Canada, a legacy carrier could not.

I couldn't even begin to imagine how much better the lives would be for AC pilots if we had Transat reserve rules, vacation and 100% Deadhead.

You can start with the fact they actually issued Strike Notice.

[stall]

Air Canada watching you guys not eat your young for a contract:
“are you guys going to eat those junior pilots, because we sure would like to”

The Jr TRZ pilots still dont have a living wage in the cities that TRZ is based while the Sr captains got 100k extra to buy that 3rd boat. Looks very much like they were happy to eat their JR pilots just like AC. Looks like par for the course in the airline world of aviation.

Agree, it's still a joke. Only a slight improvement from AC.

YR3 FO at AT is 46% of CA pay and it gets to 67% at YR10. (But this is skewed because the CA scale is 4 years longer).
YR3 NB FO at AC is 42% of CA pay, WB FO is 37%...Top of scale at AC, NB FO is 66% and WB is 65%.

For these wages to be liveable we need to get to 50% of CA pay from YR1, and the RP position needs to be eliminated it's a farce. That's a big factor in the US pay scales - they actually value the FO position.

Transat could rightfully blame AC MEC for allowing such pitiful junior pay to happen despite historic leverage and thus making it so they had to pattern bargain off that garbage.

AC pilots should be leading the industry for all pilots in the industry but seems content with high widebody captain pay with abysmal quality of life that is somewhat hidden out once you get seniority. A pyramid scheme saves money for the company while junior pilots eat sheet.

[khedrei]

Air Canada watching you guys not eat your young for a contract:
“are you guys going to eat those junior pilots, because we sure would like to”

The Jr TRZ pilots still dont have a living wage in the cities that TRZ is based while the Sr captains got 100k extra to buy that 3rd boat. Looks very much like they were happy to eat their JR pilots just like AC. Looks like par for the course in the airline world of aviation.

Agree, it's still a joke. Only a slight improvement from AC.

YR3 FO at AT is 46% of CA pay and it gets to 67% at YR10. (But this is skewed because the CA scale is 4 years longer).
YR3 NB FO at AC is 42% of CA pay, WB FO is 37%...Top of scale at AC, NB FO is 66% and WB is 65%.

For these wages to be liveable we need to get to 50% of CA pay from YR1, and the RP position needs to be eliminated it's a farce. That's a big factor in the US pay scales - they actually value the FO position.

Its a slight improvement on paper but people here say the take home at TRZ is much less than AC so perhaps its worse.

50%? Why? If AC SR FO makes 66% of a SR captain, why doesnt a JR FO make 66% of a JR captain? Do we we really think that a yr 1 FO working at the nation's carrier shouldn't be making the eye watering figure of 160k(ish)??? In YYZ where that STILL won't buy you a house. Seriously people!? You all need to give your heads a shake. Im not an airline guy, and TRZ is probably in rough shape financially and maybe this deal isn't bad overall given these facts, and given what they had before, but holy crap the fact that the airline world is so happy to hang the JR guys out to dry while rewarding the SR guys with raises bigger than their entire salary is pretty sickening to me.

[thepoors]

The Jr TRZ pilots still dont have a living wage in the cities that TRZ is based while the Sr captains got 100k extra to buy that 3rd boat. Looks very much like they were happy to eat their JR pilots just like AC. Looks like par for the course in the airline world of aviation.

Agree, it's still a joke. Only a slight improvement from AC.

YR3 FO at AT is 46% of CA pay and it gets to 67% at YR10. (But this is skewed because the CA scale is 4 years longer).
YR3 NB FO at AC is 42% of CA pay, WB FO is 37%...Top of scale at AC, NB FO is 66% and WB is 65%.

For these wages to be liveable we need to get to 50% of CA pay from YR1, and the RP position needs to be eliminated it's a farce. That's a big factor in the US pay scales - they actually value the FO position.

Its a slight improvement on paper but people here say the take home at TRZ is much less than AC so perhaps its worse.

50%? Why? If AC SR FO makes 66% of a SR captain, why doesnt a JR FO make 66% of a JR captain? Do we we really think that a yr 1 FO working at the nation's carrier shouldn't be making the eye watering figure of 160k(ish)??? In YYZ where that STILL won't buy you a house. Seriously people!? You all need to give your heads a shake. Im not an airline guy, and TRZ is probably in rough shape financially and maybe this deal isn't bad overall given these facts, and given what they had before, but holy crap the fact that the airline world is so happy to hang the JR guys out to dry while rewarding the SR guys with raises bigger than their entire salary is pretty sickening to me.

You're not wrong. YR1 should be at least 50% of CA wage. And that alone would be a massive improvement from the current 30%. All the talk of eliminating flat pay, and here we are.

But then you're going to get all the idiot boomers on here going "year 1 is only 1 year, I rather have a higher top scale wage because you will make that for longer." So yeah let me just put my life on hold and potentially go into debt and let my family suffer for a decade to get to top scale pay for marginally higher career earnings. We'll be so much better off when we're 65, divorced and alone.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

Thank you to Air Transat pilots and Air Canada flight attendants for having the guts to do what we couldn't.

[Me262]

Agree, it's still a joke. Only a slight improvement from AC.

YR3 FO at AT is 46% of CA pay and it gets to 67% at YR10. (But this is skewed because the CA scale is 4 years longer).
YR3 NB FO at AC is 42% of CA pay, WB FO is 37%...Top of scale at AC, NB FO is 66% and WB is 65%.

For these wages to be liveable we need to get to 50% of CA pay from YR1, and the RP position needs to be eliminated it's a farce. That's a big factor in the US pay scales - they actually value the FO position.

Its a slight improvement on paper but people here say the take home at TRZ is much less than AC so perhaps its worse.

50%? Why? If AC SR FO makes 66% of a SR captain, why doesnt a JR FO make 66% of a JR captain? Do we we really think that a yr 1 FO working at the nation's carrier shouldn't be making the eye watering figure of 160k(ish)??? In YYZ where that STILL won't buy you a house. Seriously people!? You all need to give your heads a shake. Im not an airline guy, and TRZ is probably in rough shape financially and maybe this deal isn't bad overall given these facts, and given what they had before, but holy crap the fact that the airline world is so happy to hang the JR guys out to dry while rewarding the SR guys with raises bigger than their entire salary is pretty sickening to me.

You're not wrong. YR1 should be at least 50% of CA wage. And that alone would be a massive improvement from the current 30%. All the talk of eliminating flat pay, and here we are.

But then you're going to get all the idiot boomers on here going "year 1 is only 1 year, I rather have a higher top scale wage because you will make that for longer." So yeah let me just put my life on hold and potentially go into debt and let my family suffer for a decade to get to top scale pay for marginally higher career earnings. We'll be so much better off when we're 65, divorced and alone.

Meanwhile Emirates pay 68% their FOs. But ME3 is slavery and nobody in their right mind should leave AC the strongest and greatest