Nav to USA? Instructing in USA possible? Canada FTU

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I work at an FTU in Canada. I'm thinking of doing a Navigation to the USA with a student pilot (Dual Instruction). Is that legal?

The FTU is based in Canada. The plane is registered in Canada and it would be for the issuance of a Canadian License (PPL)

Thanks,
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[broken_slinky]

That's more of a question to ask your CFI and the accountable executive at the FTU. Besides the EAPIS, Customs and flight plan requirements, the FTU may not allow it due to insurance, etc...

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That's more of a question to ask your CFI and the accountable executive at the FTU. Besides the EAPIS, Customs and flight plan requirements, the FTU may not allow it due to insurance, etc...

We're a large school and unfortunately, the CFI and accountable executive provide very little to no supervision with little guidance. I have read the insurance for our plane. There is nothing in there preventing us to fly in the US. I have also called our insurance rep, and she said it was fine.

Nothing in the CARs seems to prevent us from doing that either.

[digits_]

I can't find a reference that would make it illegal, and colleagues of mine have done it a few years ago. Pretty sure you're good to go.

Be aware though that the student pilot permit is only valid in Canada. So absolutely no solo flying (or anything else that requires the student pilot permit) in the US. Not an issue for dual flights as you mentioned.

[Bede]

We're a large school and unfortunately, the CFI and accountable executive provide very little to no supervision with little guidance.

That's really alarming.

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We're a large school and unfortunately, the CFI and accountable executive provide very little to no supervision with little guidance.

That's really alarming.

Yup! It's alarming for me too! I almost got my class 2. Currently applying every school around that is decent. In the meantime, since my current school doesn't explicitly do anything against the CARs, I've decided to stay to keep flying while I find something else.

[digits_]

We're a large school and unfortunately, the CFI and accountable executive provide very little to no supervision with little guidance.

That's really alarming.

Yup! It's alarming for me too! I almost got my class 2. Currently applying every school around that is decent. In the meantime, since my current school doesn't explicitly do anything against the CARs, I've decided to stay to keep flying while I find something else.

If you've got some experience, and depending on your personality, the hands off approach can be very relaxed and really give you the chance to do your thing. No guidance isn't fun for someone brand new, but neither is an overzealous supervisor. It's hard sometimes to find a sweet spot. But if you like where you are, then for *you* it might be a good place.

Not necessarily for the students who are stuck with brand new instructors with little supervision, that's the downside...

[perlgerl]

Is it legal? Yes. Several Instructors from the St Catharines Flying Club did it in 2016. Accident Report and Docket.

There is no requirement for cross-border navigation in the PPL flight training. You should have a cross-border lesson plan that covers USA differences eg flight planning and weather information sources, radio frequencies, non-controlled airport "patterns", etc. You might want some personal liability insurance. Don't depend on your flight school's insurance.

Also, read what your peers on AvCanada had to say about this flight immediately following the accident and when the lawsuit was filed.

[digits_]

Is it legal? Yes. Several Instructors from the St Catharines Flying Club did it in 2016. Accident Report and Docket.

There is no requirement for cross-border navigation in the PPL flight training. You should have a cross-border lesson plan that covers USA differences eg flight planning and weather information sources, radio frequencies, non-controlled airport "patterns", etc. You might want some personal liability insurance. Don't depend on your flight school's insurance.

Also, read what your peers on AvCanada had to say about this flight immediately following the accident and when the lawsuit was filed.

I don't think anyone here is suggesting you should crash and kill your students on said flight...

The US portion was a very minor part in that chain of events. A long distance flight in Canada could easily have led to the same results.

[OnceAgainWithFeeling]

That's more of a question to ask your CFI and the accountable executive at the FTU. Besides the EAPIS, Customs and flight plan requirements, the FTU may not allow it due to insurance, etc...

We're a large school and unfortunately, the CFI and accountable executive provide very little to no supervision with little guidance. I have read the insurance for our plane. There is nothing in there preventing us to fly in the US. I have also called our insurance rep, and she said it was fine.

Nothing in the CARs seems to prevent us from doing that either.

If you want to find out the meaning of supervision and guidance, wait until your airplane goes AOG in a foreign country and the PRM finds out. Then you'll get a real lesson in "supervision and guidance."

[broken_slinky]

We're a large school and unfortunately, the CFI and accountable executive provide very little to no supervision with little guidance.

That's really alarming.

Yeah, that's the most worrisome take away from all of this. The stuff a TC auditor loves to hear.