Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?

[cdnavater]

If this was composed during a drinking binge that would be bad enough. But if this was composed while being sober, it’s even worse.

Are you that dense, it is a literary satire, he is mocking the out going chair and the attempt of the YUL rep at becoming the chair!

“Literary satire is a genre of writing that uses humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose, criticize, and mock human vices, follies, abuses, or shortcomings”

[proper]

Yeah, that was obvious and painful.
Why so personal though. Eeeech.
If anything, that campaign letter from Trueman aided change and Gil Renaud. Good work and thank you!
Just heard that Aidan was elected and ré elected in Yyc. Congratulations, the Yyc pilots have spoken....again.
Everyone following C.B. Is accompanying him on his downward spiral, eject eject eject.

[Cypresshill]

Cdnavater,

It is density and idiocy to compose that as a campaign letter. It is poor judgment, hence the references I made. It’s actually best suited for this site probably, but not the venue chosen by CA Trueman.

[Fowler]

Oh...... I get it, Rory Trueman=Truedude.

[cdnavater]

Cdnavater,

It is density and idiocy to compose that as a campaign letter. It is poor judgment, hence the references I made. It’s actually best suited for this site probably, but not the venue chosen by CA Trueman.

I completely took it as satire and not a true campaign, I don’t believe he is actually running, likely had to throw his hat in the ring to publish the letter though.
I don’t believe this helped GR or CB for their campaign, it literally pokes fun at their failures.

[PostmasterGeneral]

I’ve flown with Rory. He’s a good dude. It’s pretty obvious that letter was very satirical. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. He, like many others, is fed the f-up with how ALPA is running things, and poked fun at all the nonsense.

[KenoraPilot]

I’ve flown with Rory. He’s a good dude. It’s pretty obvious that letter was very satirical. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. He, like many others, is fed the f-up with how ALPA is running things, and poked fun at all the nonsense.

100%

[Cypresshill]

If he’s not reach-around grateful to you gals after these glowing reviews, he couldn’t appreciate a damn thing.

[Tony Soprano]

The LEC has yet to give direction, as they have yet to be briefed by legal. There is no rush to file it. As pointed out, it is a multi year process, so a few months waiting to file is irrelevant.

Tic Tok. Tic Tok. It's been a month since the CIRB made their final ruling. How's that ready-to-file paperwork coming?

[Tbayer2021]

I wonder how much ad revenue this thread accounts for as a percentage of the total. Probably single handedly paying for this site's running cost.

[Cypresshill]

The MEC Executive is out as of yesterday.

[rudder]

The MEC Executive is out as of yesterday.

https://www.alpa.org/press-room/2026/01 ... oming-term

[PostmasterGeneral]

The reign of king Claude comes to an end. Jazz pilots rejoice!

[Inverted2]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. It’s in a song by The Who.

[cdnavater]

The reign of king Claude comes to an end. Jazz pilots rejoice!

Certainly not the change I wanted, this was a successful coup by another of the old guard, expect nothing to change!
Nice pre retirement gig for GR, my understanding is he is 63 this year, of course he could come to an agreement with Jazz about pilots continuing to fly past 65 with pairing created for them instead of the current set up!
Oh well, how much worse could it get for my last 6 years!

[Bede]

Truedude sure has gone quiet.

[cdnavater]

Truedude sure has gone quiet.

Can’t really blame him, this was not an ideal outcome but after some reflection I’ve come away with a new view.
First, I didn’t see anyone else put their hand up for chair, with the one late and sardonic email which would not have been taken seriously, it really came down to Claude or Gil for that position.
I’m going to go with an optimistic outlook based on what Gil said he wants to do coupled with the rest of the names are new and after speaking directly with one of them on his intentions to hold Gil to account I’ll wait and see if there is a change in the tone.
I believe this will put to rest the s.35 talk and AC will continue their long history of doing what ever they want regardless of what they agree to, perhaps a grievance will go somewhere but that will not likely get anything for pilots at AC who have flowed but not when they were supposed to, they will be left out of any remedy.

[Bede]

I believe this will put to rest the s.35 talk

I do think you're correct.

I usually try to stay magnanimous. Had I been wrong (which sometimes I am) I was more than willing to eat crow and apologize for being wrong. However, given that all my posts were met with ad hominem attacks from Truedude, I think it's appropriate to revisit his shitposts and see who's predictions about this whole thing came true.

Truedude on the ULP dismissed by the CIRB:

I’m shocked people still think they are getting something out of this. I was there for that BS. It sucked. So I left.

Yes, we will be getting something.

And I have read the ACA submission, it is utterly ridiculous, filled with very little legal arguments, but rather a lot of whining, including a bunch of pages wasted on talking about CALPA.

We have a case, the CIRB has said are complaints have merrit, and when they rule at the end of the month, I suspect ACA will better understand the gravity of the situation. Or at least be unable to spin nonsense.

This isn't even remotely over. Our executive has already clearly indicated their intent to pursue common employer if this was the result. Which means they planned for it. And given the CIRB giving us a pretty clear message that is the avenue to be taken, we will absolutely take it.

Truedude on integrating into the AC seniority list:

That's why the easiest solution is to filter everyone back to when they should have been hired, based on the requirement to hire AC had agreed to.

If Jazz pilots have a strong common employer case, DOH would be a logical ask.

Unfortunately we still have ex-Jazz Pilots that are convinced they will move 1000 numbers up the seniority list.

You don't know that. No one does. AC pilots have standing for a reason, it means the outcome could impact them, and thus they have a voice at the table. If they were just discussing compensation, AC pilots would have no reason to be involved.

So everyone hired took employment knowing fully many of those spots should have been Jazz pilots.

And have you even considered the worst case scenario of DOH list merger... Jazz has 900 active pilots, give or take... about 600 of them have ATPLs, the rest don't. So merge the 600 guys with ATPLs, DOH, the rest BOTL. And off those 600, 200 retire in the next 5 years or so. So you are left with 400 pilots shuffled into a list of 5800 pilots, over a period of years.

Truedude on the single employer application that was never filed:

It is the way they interfered, and yes it does meet the criteria for a section 35, particularly if you look at the reasons why the Rouge application failed. They couldn't show AC management directly interfering in contract talks, whereas we can.

And again, the application this time wont be the same as last time, as we have a mountain of evidence that AC directly interfered in our negotiations. The only people who don't want want to believe we have a strong case, are those that stand to be impacted.

Your MEC is not going to file a s. 35 application.

Yes, they are. I know that one for a fact.

Jazz will 100% be filing one.

A s.35 is almost a certainty at this point, regardless of who is in charge of the Jazz MEC, it is best you come to terms with that.

What are you going to say when it is filed? Because it is coming, I am not sure why you think otherwise. The paper work, from my understanding, has already been drafted and is ready to be filed.

Truedude on a class action lawsuit against ALPA:

Just watch! And refusal to do so would mean Jazz pilots could file a failure to represent suit against ALPA.

No union can legally sign away protected rights of workers it represents, nor can they refuse to file claims for those workers based on signed agreements. To believe that, you are really out of touch with reality, and the Canadian legal system.

And a class action suit can be filed against ALPA for DFR behavior. The board has made it pretty clear here, that that is the avenue we should be pursuing. And we will.

It would be a class action for failure to represent appropriately. And it wouldn't be the first filed in Canada.

ALPA international has said and done nothing that limits our ability to file a s.35. And if our lawyers say there is a case and they interfere in us filing it, then thay absolutely represents a DFR. As a member of westjet ALPA, you should be very familiar those by now.

Truedude on suing Air Canada:

And a civil suit would be agaisnt AC as we have a signed agreement from them to us. But not sure the viability of that.

Truedude getting frustrated:

And I would be more worried about a DFR coming to WJA for your that secret agreement the WJA made with Westjet and you both refuse to turn over.

You guys at WJ got beaten hard during your merger, on part because you ignored your lawyers. And now you have your own ULP for secret deals you made with WJ which likely screwed over Sunwing guys. Agreements you still refuse to turn over. And you guys signed despite I believe being advised against doing so by your lawyers. So good luck with that...

Bede is a tool. They were a disaster during the merger, made arguments nobody could understand, and generally lost. Now they are facing a DFR, along with a ULP for an agreement they signed in secret with Westjet that neither party wants to reveal. Their chair and vice chair resigned shortly after the DFR was filed. He is the worst person to listen too.

And Rudder is retired, yet still can't get off avcanada.

[hithere]

Truedude sure has gone quiet.

Can’t really blame him, this was not an ideal outcome but after some reflection I’ve come away with a new view.
First, I didn’t see anyone else put their hand up for chair, with the one late and sardonic email which would not have been taken seriously, it really came down to Claude or Gil for that position.
I’m going to go with an optimistic outlook based on what Gil said he wants to do coupled with the rest of the names are new and after speaking directly with one of them on his intentions to hold Gil to account I’ll wait and see if there is a change in the tone.
I believe this will put to rest the s.35 talk and AC will continue their long history of doing what ever they want regardless of what they agree to, perhaps a grievance will go somewhere but that will not likely get anything for pilots at AC who have flowed but not when they were supposed to, they will be left out of any remedy.

The Chairman vote was not between Claude and Gil. Claude did not run again for Chair. According to the email all Jazz pilots got about the election result, the Chairman nominees were Gil and Tyler Rowe(previous MEC Vice Chairman)

[cdnavater]

Truedude sure has gone quiet.

Can’t really blame him, this was not an ideal outcome but after some reflection I’ve come away with a new view.
First, I didn’t see anyone else put their hand up for chair, with the one late and sardonic email which would not have been taken seriously, it really came down to Claude or Gil for that position.
I’m going to go with an optimistic outlook based on what Gil said he wants to do coupled with the rest of the names are new and after speaking directly with one of them on his intentions to hold Gil to account I’ll wait and see if there is a change in the tone.
I believe this will put to rest the s.35 talk and AC will continue their long history of doing what ever they want regardless of what they agree to, perhaps a grievance will go somewhere but that will not likely get anything for pilots at AC who have flowed but not when they were supposed to, they will be left out of any remedy.

The Chairman vote was not between Claude and Gil. Claude did not run again for Chair. According to the email all Jazz pilots got about the election result, the Chairman nominees were Gil and Tyler Rowe(previous MEC Vice Chairman)

I’m not sure Claude didn’t run, however I admit I don’t really know what the process is, it does list the “nominees” but I believe a nominee has to be put forward by the voting members and then seconded.
Either way the writing was on the wall but I do wish there were other choices and honestly we should have more say, the LEC decides on who they support but how do we know for a fact they made their decision based on the majority of the base members. Nothing tracks that, I called to put my input albeit the last day of the campaign but I didn’t get a callback, so my voice was not heard!

[truedude]

Can’t really blame him, this was not an ideal outcome but after some reflection I’ve come away with a new view.
First, I didn’t see anyone else put their hand up for chair, with the one late and sardonic email which would not have been taken seriously, it really came down to Claude or Gil for that position.
I’m going to go with an optimistic outlook based on what Gil said he wants to do coupled with the rest of the names are new and after speaking directly with one of them on his intentions to hold Gil to account I’ll wait and see if there is a change in the tone.
I believe this will put to rest the s.35 talk and AC will continue their long history of doing what ever they want regardless of what they agree to, perhaps a grievance will go somewhere but that will not likely get anything for pilots at AC who have flowed but not when they were supposed to, they will be left out of any remedy.

The Chairman vote was not between Claude and Gil. Claude did not run again for Chair. According to the email all Jazz pilots got about the election result, the Chairman nominees were Gil and Tyler Rowe(previous MEC Vice Chairman)

I’m not sure Claude didn’t run, however I admit I don’t really know what the process is, it does list the “nominees” but I believe a nominee has to be put forward by the voting members and then seconded.
Either way the writing was on the wall but I do wish there were other choices and honestly we should have more say, the LEC decides on who they support but how do we know for a fact they made their decision based on the majority of the base members. Nothing tracks that, I called to put my input albeit the last day of the campaign but I didn’t get a callback, so my voice was not heard!

Claude didn't run. It was between Tyler and Gil, and Gil got to use his LEC Capt rep vote to vote for himself. The remainder of positions went unchallenged, as everyone else nominated declined the nomination, because no one wants to work with Gil that had any experience. And we have already lost one volunteer from two committees with decades of experience as a result. And we don't even know if Gil is going to resign his LEC position, as there are no rules that require him too, which means he can keep voting to support himself as Chair, which is absurd.

The other positions, are technically there to support the Chair, with the LEC FO and Capt reps there to keep the Chair and others in check. This is honestly a complete disaster.

[truedude]

I believe this will put to rest the s.35 talk

I do think you're correct.

I usually try to stay magnanimous. Had I been wrong (which sometimes I am) I was more than willing to eat crow and apologize for being wrong. However, given that all my posts were met with ad hominem attacks from Truedude, I think it's appropriate to revisit his shitposts and see who's predictions about this whole thing came true.

Truedude on the ULP dismissed by the CIRB:

I’m shocked people still think they are getting something out of this. I was there for that BS. It sucked. So I left.

Yes, we will be getting something.

And I have read the ACA submission, it is utterly ridiculous, filled with very little legal arguments, but rather a lot of whining, including a bunch of pages wasted on talking about CALPA.

We have a case, the CIRB has said are complaints have merrit, and when they rule at the end of the month, I suspect ACA will better understand the gravity of the situation. Or at least be unable to spin nonsense.

This isn't even remotely over. Our executive has already clearly indicated their intent to pursue common employer if this was the result. Which means they planned for it. And given the CIRB giving us a pretty clear message that is the avenue to be taken, we will absolutely take it.

Truedude on integrating into the AC seniority list:

That's why the easiest solution is to filter everyone back to when they should have been hired, based on the requirement to hire AC had agreed to.

If Jazz pilots have a strong common employer case, DOH would be a logical ask.

Unfortunately we still have ex-Jazz Pilots that are convinced they will move 1000 numbers up the seniority list.

You don't know that. No one does. AC pilots have standing for a reason, it means the outcome could impact them, and thus they have a voice at the table. If they were just discussing compensation, AC pilots would have no reason to be involved.

So everyone hired took employment knowing fully many of those spots should have been Jazz pilots.

And have you even considered the worst case scenario of DOH list merger... Jazz has 900 active pilots, give or take... about 600 of them have ATPLs, the rest don't. So merge the 600 guys with ATPLs, DOH, the rest BOTL. And off those 600, 200 retire in the next 5 years or so. So you are left with 400 pilots shuffled into a list of 5800 pilots, over a period of years.

Truedude on the single employer application that was never filed:

It is the way they interfered, and yes it does meet the criteria for a section 35, particularly if you look at the reasons why the Rouge application failed. They couldn't show AC management directly interfering in contract talks, whereas we can.

And again, the application this time wont be the same as last time, as we have a mountain of evidence that AC directly interfered in our negotiations. The only people who don't want want to believe we have a strong case, are those that stand to be impacted.

Your MEC is not going to file a s. 35 application.

Yes, they are. I know that one for a fact.

Jazz will 100% be filing one.

A s.35 is almost a certainty at this point, regardless of who is in charge of the Jazz MEC, it is best you come to terms with that.

What are you going to say when it is filed? Because it is coming, I am not sure why you think otherwise. The paper work, from my understanding, has already been drafted and is ready to be filed.

Truedude on a class action lawsuit against ALPA:

Just watch! And refusal to do so would mean Jazz pilots could file a failure to represent suit against ALPA.

No union can legally sign away protected rights of workers it represents, nor can they refuse to file claims for those workers based on signed agreements. To believe that, you are really out of touch with reality, and the Canadian legal system.

And a class action suit can be filed against ALPA for DFR behavior. The board has made it pretty clear here, that that is the avenue we should be pursuing. And we will.

It would be a class action for failure to represent appropriately. And it wouldn't be the first filed in Canada.

ALPA international has said and done nothing that limits our ability to file a s.35. And if our lawyers say there is a case and they interfere in us filing it, then thay absolutely represents a DFR. As a member of westjet ALPA, you should be very familiar those by now.

Truedude on suing Air Canada:

And a civil suit would be agaisnt AC as we have a signed agreement from them to us. But not sure the viability of that.

Truedude getting frustrated:

And I would be more worried about a DFR coming to WJA for your that secret agreement the WJA made with Westjet and you both refuse to turn over.

You guys at WJ got beaten hard during your merger, on part because you ignored your lawyers. And now you have your own ULP for secret deals you made with WJ which likely screwed over Sunwing guys. Agreements you still refuse to turn over. And you guys signed despite I believe being advised against doing so by your lawyers. So good luck with that...

Bede is a tool. They were a disaster during the merger, made arguments nobody could understand, and generally lost. Now they are facing a DFR, along with a ULP for an agreement they signed in secret with Westjet that neither party wants to reveal. Their chair and vice chair resigned shortly after the DFR was filed. He is the worst person to listen too.

And Rudder is retired, yet still can't get off avcanada.

Wow, I am living rent free in that head of yours.... That alone has made all this worth it.

[Bede]

Nice try dude. Good luck in your class action lawsuit.

[truedude]

Nice try dude. Good luck in your class action lawsuit.

You have taken a bunch of quotes, removed all context under which they were said, and think you have done what exactly? If this is the sort of strategy you employed during the merger, I can see why you guys got beat by the Sunwing guys and had your own lawyers scratching their the heads with some of the submissions you made.

[Bede]

Nice try dude. Good luck in your class action lawsuit.

You have taken a bunch of quotes, removed all context under which they were said, and think you have done what exactly? If this is the sort of strategy you employed during the merger, I can see why you guys got beat by the Sunwing guys and had your own lawyers scratching their the heads with some of the submissions you made.

Nice try chump.