What is the story at TC on Gulfstream Cert?

[MX-5]

Has TC actually made a statement about this?

""Based on the fact that Canada has wrongfully, illegally and steadfastly refused to certify the Gulfstream 500, 600, 700 and 800 Jets,........"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump- ... -9.7067498

[Canoehead]

https://www.fliegerfaust.com/canadian-a ... vs-canada/

In part from the article:

"Transport Canada’s technical rationale exists—but it is not being explained publicly
First, the most credible safety rationale is not political. It’s water physics. Transport Canada has warned for years that aviation fuel naturally contains dissolved water and that it can precipitate and freeze, blocking fuel systems. Transport Canada summarizes that risk in its service difficulty advisory on fuel system icing and suspended water in fuel, published by Transport Canada.

Next, that logic matches the regulator’s own comments in EASA’s docket: Transport Canada argues that sump draining does not necessarily remove dissolved or saturated water and cannot, by itself, close the compliance case.

Still, what’s missing is the public-facing explanation. Transport Canada has not published a clear validation roadmap, test-acceptance criteria, or target dates for the G700/G800—despite knowing the dispute is now diplomatic dynamite.

If Canada wants to rebut “interference,” it needs transparency—not silence
First, you don’t have to prove malicious intent to report interference. If an official decision predictably blocks a competitor’s product in the middle of a trade fight, the interference question is fair—and readers will ask it anyway.

Next, Transport Canada can neutralize that suspicion by publishing three things: the specific test evidence it requires beyond what FAA/EASA/UK accepted, the closure criteria for validation, and an estimated timeline tied to Gulfstream’s 2026 milestone schedule.

Finally, without those details, Canada’s refusal looks less like an independent validator doing safety work and more like a regulator applying pressure with a clear economic outcome."

[CpnCrunch]

More context here:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/tariffs/202 ... an-planes/

It seems that the FAA have the same concerns, but gave Gulfstream a temporary exemption in Jan 2024. They have until the end of 2026 to prove that the aircraft function “properly under the probable operating conditions where ice may form in the fuel system".

[‘Bob’]

In other words.. typical FAA letting the fox guard the henhouse that lead to doors blowing off and planes flying themselves into the ground.

Whats the market for Gulfstreams in Canada, anyway?

Americans buy Gulfstreams because they are American. Americans buy Globals because they are the best.

Just like the C-Series.. Americans can’t compete with real winners so they have to play dirty.

At least the 50% US Federal Sales Tax will apply only to the rich rather than the poor.

[7ECA]

https://skiesmag.com/news/bombardier-re ... on-claims/

In 2011, Gulfstream acknowledged Transport Canada had authorized the G500 business jet to fly at its maximum certified altitude, along with the G550, the G450 and G350.

The G500 and G550 were already approved to operate at 51,000 feet at the time, Gulfstream said.

In general, the onus is on manufacturers to take the initiative on aircraft certification, an industry source tells Skies. It generally happens when the manufacturer finds a customer in a new jurisdiction, and Transport Canada (TC) is unlikely to proactively certify aircraft types, the source said.

TC has not officially responded to Trump’s statements and did not respond to interview questions from Skies before deadline.

It’s unclear if the president has the authority to force the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to revoke a type certificate or an airworthiness certificate for political or economic reasons.

A type certificate approves an aircraft design in a given jurisdiction and paves the way for a production certificate that enables the manufacturing process.

An airworthiness certificate grants authorization to operate an individual aircraft in flight, after the FAA confirms the aircraft is “eligible and in a condition for safe operation,” according to the agency’s website.

Only registered aircraft owners, or the owner’s agent, can apply for an airworthiness certificate. The FAA has said it can revoke an airworthiness certificate for safety reasons, or if it no longer meets its approved design.

Further into this discussion, it appears the threat to "decertify" all Canadian made aircraft will have a major and disastrous effect on US aviation. Grounding thousands of CRJs (and shutting down a significant portion of the regional fleet), Globals, A220s, CL-215s/CL-415s (remember, the US "doesn't need Canada's stuff" - other than when LA and other major areas are under threat of fires), and every Bell helicopter. But, no biggie, the US industry is apparently ready to pick up the slack.

[MX-5]

Great comments above, thanks.

I guess it boils down to the BLOTUS engaging the mouth before the brain.

Again.

[khedrei]

In other words.. typical FAA letting the fox guard the henhouse that lead to doors blowing off and planes flying themselves into the ground.

Whats the market for Gulfstreams in Canada, anyway?

Americans buy Gulfstreams because they are American. Americans buy Globals because they are the best.

Just like the C-Series.. Americans can’t compete with real winners so they have to play dirty.

At least the 50% US Federal Sales Tax will apply only to the rich rather than the poor.

There isn't a business jet on the market that is more gorgeous than the new Gulfstreams.

Thats just looks though. Not sure how reliable they are. Not sure why you are bragging about Bombardier though. What a mess of a company.

[CpnCrunch]

There isn't a business jet on the market that is more gorgeous than the new Gulfstreams.

Thats just looks though. Not sure how reliable they are. Not sure why you are bragging about Bombardier though. What a mess of a company.

It might look nice, but can you stand up in the cabin?

[planenuts]

TC will not certify an aircraft that does not have a type certificate in force. The fact the 700 and 800 series have a waiver means the type certificate is not finalized....hence they wont touch it. There is also the fact that TC will only go through the motions if there is someone who wants to operate it. I don't know if anyone in Canada wants a G700 or 800 - but if there is not then its not even on their radar.

This has nothing to do with politics or protectionism.

[eyebrow737]

It might look nice, but can you stand up in the cabin?

Yes. You can stand up.
Unless you’re secretly an NBA center, in which case you’ll still only need to slightly humble yourself.

Both the G700 and G800 have a 6’3” cabin height, so normal-sized humans are fully vertical. What's your point?

[thepoors]

There isn't a business jet on the market that is more gorgeous than the new Gulfstreams.

Thats just looks though. Not sure how reliable they are. Not sure why you are bragging about Bombardier though. What a mess of a company.

It might look nice, but can you stand up in the cabin?

G650/700/800 cabin height is 6ft 5in. Global 6500/7500/8000 cabin height is 6ft 2in.

Ask anyone who's spent time in corporate aviation, you really can't understate the ramp presence of the Gulfstreams. They are special. (Meanwhile you could mistake a Global for an RJ). And those oval windows are genuinely huge, people don't understand the scale of these airplanes. If I had billions to throw around, I know where my money would be going.

[CpnCrunch]

G650/700/800 cabin height is 6ft 5in. Global 6500/7500/8000 cabin height is 6ft 2in.

Ask anyone who's spent time in corporate aviation, you really can't understate the ramp presence of the Gulfstreams. They are special. (Meanwhile you could mistake a Global for an RJ). And those oval windows are genuinely huge, people don't understand the scale of these airplanes. If I had billions to throw around, I know where my money would be going.

I guess it depends on your height. G500 is 6ft2, which isn't great.

[‘Bob’]

There isn't a business jet on the market that is more gorgeous than the new Gulfstreams.

Thats just looks though. Not sure how reliable they are. Not sure why you are bragging about Bombardier though. What a mess of a company.

It might look nice, but can you stand up in the cabin?

G650/700/800 cabin height is 6ft 5in. Global 6500/7500/8000 cabin height is 6ft 2in.

Ask anyone who's spent time in corporate aviation, you really can't understate the ramp presence of the Gulfstreams. They are special. (Meanwhile you could mistake a Global for an RJ). And those oval windows are genuinely huge, people don't understand the scale of these airplanes. If I had billions to throw around, I know where my money would be going.

You can stand up in a 1900D AND it has huge oval windows, too. Are you impressed by it?

While you’re dreaming, you can look out those oval windows at my Global passing you… and then see it long arrived at destination because I didn’t need a fuel stop.

Gulfstreams impress poor people or people who don’t spend a lot of time at FBOs. It’s like diamond encrusted Rolex… cool, but my money is on an understated Grand Seiko that tells time much better.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Gulfstreams go faster than Globals, Bob.

[‘Bob’]

Gulfstreams go faster than Globals, Bob.

Really….

https://bombardier.com/en/aircraft/global-8000

[CpnCrunch]

While you’re dreaming, you can look out those oval windows at my Global passing you…

Although you still might not be able to stand up in it, with the same 6ft3 cabin height. Not sure why Trump cares, as he wouldn't be seen dead in either of them. They're really just for the sub billionaire celeb and mid tier CEO crowd.

[khedrei]

There isn't a business jet on the market that is more gorgeous than the new Gulfstreams.

Thats just looks though. Not sure how reliable they are. Not sure why you are bragging about Bombardier though. What a mess of a company.

It might look nice, but can you stand up in the cabin?

Im 5'10" so I can stand up even in most mid sized jets.

Gulfstreams go faster than Globals, Bob.

Really….

https://bombardier.com/en/aircraft/global-8000

Its true the top speed is faster but from my reading the G800 has better range at .85. 8200 vs 8000. No one is cruising at .93 or .95 so the top speed is irrelevant.

There isn't a doubt, the Gulfstream is a much more beautiful airplane.

I still haven't figured out your rediculous hatred for the US. You seem to think that if the US was gone that the whole world would instantly be a happier safer place. Canada would be toast, and easily taken over by China or Russia. Educate yourself on what role the US actually plays in the world. They aren't perfect, but they are necessary if you want to continue enjoying your cushy western way of life. Im not a fan of Trump, but he was right when he said we wouldnt exist without them. Your buddy carney thinks we thrive because we are canadian. HA . What does that even mean? If given the choice, id live there instead of this socialist broke woke nation any day. Nevermind the choice between having them or China as the world's most powerful country.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Gulfstreams have more of a presence. People notice them. Pull up to your favourite FBO in a global, and the instagram models in your entourage won’t even know what it is.

[Tbayer2021]

Gulfstreams have more of a presence. People notice them. Pull up to your favourite FBO in a global, and the instagram models in your entourage won’t even know what it is.

While this crowd isn't exactly winning any Nobel prizes. They tend to be keenly aware of expensive toys and who can afford what.

[thepoors]

It might look nice, but can you stand up in the cabin?

G650/700/800 cabin height is 6ft 5in. Global 6500/7500/8000 cabin height is 6ft 2in.

Ask anyone who's spent time in corporate aviation, you really can't understate the ramp presence of the Gulfstreams. They are special. (Meanwhile you could mistake a Global for an RJ). And those oval windows are genuinely huge, people don't understand the scale of these airplanes. If I had billions to throw around, I know where my money would be going.

You can stand up in a 1900D AND it has huge oval windows, too. Are you impressed by it?

While you’re dreaming, you can look out those oval windows at my Global passing you… and then see it long arrived at destination because I didn’t need a fuel stop.

Gulfstreams impress poor people or people who don’t spend a lot of time at FBOs. It’s like diamond encrusted Rolex… cool, but my money is on an understated Grand Seiko that tells time much better.

Clearly you've never stepped foot in one if you're making idiotic comparisons to a 1900. You sound bitter for no reason. The Gulfstream is the peak of private aviation. It is a clean sheet design for that purpose, not a modified RJ.

Performance figures between the latest Gulfstreams and Globals are basically the same. One might be M0.01 faster and one might have a few hundred NMs more range. In the real world that's negligible, what matters is the image and look they portray. For rich people who already have the best of everything that's what's important.

[BigQ]

There are a reported 6 G600/650s registered in Canada. So yeah, there is a market.

[7ECA]

There are a reported 6 G600/650s registered in Canada. So yeah, there is a market.

From a search of the TC aircraft registry, this is all that appears when searching manufacturer Gulfstream:

C-GHNS - Gulfstream G100
C-FOOX - IAI Astra SPX (G100)
C-FRJZ - IAI Astra SPX (G100)
C-FYLD - IAI Astra SPX (G100)
C-GBSW - IAI Astra SPX (G100)
C-GRHR - GVI (G650)
C-GRJP - IAI Astra SPX (G100)
C-GTNS - Gulfstream G100
C-GWCB - GVI (G650)

[SpyPilot]

I find the Gulfstream G650 to be the better-looking airplane by far, but my patriotic side is firmly with the Global 8000.

https://www.chartright.com/news/global-8000/

[boeingboy]

Falcon 7/8X any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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[Wammer]

There are a reported 6 G600/650s registered in Canada. So yeah, there is a market.

From a search of the TC aircraft registry, this is all that appears when searching manufacturer Gulfstream:

C-GHNS - Gulfstream G100
C-FOOX - IAI Astra SPX (G100)
C-FRJZ - IAI Astra SPX (G100)
C-FYLD - IAI Astra SPX (G100)
C-GBSW - IAI Astra SPX (G100)
C-GRHR - GVI (G650)
C-GRJP - IAI Astra SPX (G100)
C-GTNS - Gulfstream G100
C-GWCB - GVI (G650)

I get 56 records. Quite a few Turbo Commanders because Rockwell got bought by Gulfstream but I digress. There’s a ton of G150, GV, GIV, GVI (one non ER 650 too, rare), G200 and G280.