What will Air Canada pilots do with their $0 bonus?

[30westpirate]

The amount of guys at this company with this loser mentality is depressing. We will never get anywhere while a large portion of the pilot group thinks like this. Like a 42% raise off a 10 year old contract is something to celebrate. Absolutely pathetic.

Talk about tunnel vision, stuck on one thing, year 1-2 pay. Which btw got the highest up lift between 60-70%.

‘But Flair starting wage…..’ does Flair have a pension? Or a mix fleet or the potential to make over $450k? Or the job stability? Or the fully paid employer health benefits?

"Potential"...lol

The OT whores to the south make over a $1 million US as NB CAs with all the soft pay rules and modern scheduling platforms.

Potential is not OT, that’s straight pay on the 777 and the 787 is close to that as well.

Doctors, pilots, engineers, tech, finance, nurses, all professions more or else are making more money in the US.

[FNGYYZ]

Honest question...how much more?

Cuz looking at the annual salary thread in the US:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/majo ... ey-27.html

Example:

2.5 year Delta NB FO

Total $470k
$60k of that was 401k DC
$24k of that was profit sharing

560 block
14 days/month avg of work


Buddy flew 560 hours and made $640,000 Canadian as a Junior Narrowbody FO.

Your year 12 777 Captain example at $442 Cdn x 900 hrs didn't break $400k.

It's comical

[altiplano]

We've beaten this to death before...

I'll take guaranteed salary over profit share every day.

Any time I can convert a capped variable payment - a payment that is dependent on what is the least frequently profitable industry in the world profiting, from a company with a background of baggage, mismanagement, bad faith activity - into a guaranteed pay increase that compounds every year in future wage increases I will take the guarantee every time.

We can argue until we're blue in the face if we could have got the same increase and kept profit share, but it doesn't matter.

In 2014 we were sold 10 years of low pay so we could get profit share and pass travel like the executives. Would you take less pay to get profit share again?

Yeah yeah yeah - you can have both, but I'd rather more of the guaranteed one than both.

Please while on a US or overseas layover, talk to some fellow ALPA pilots who already make way more than you while working less, and tell them about giving up your profit share to barely beat a low cost carrier.

They will be really impressed

Your comprehension is low.

I'm simply comparing variable, conditional pay to permanent, guaranteed pay.

I've been credibility raising remuneration and contract issues longer and louder than you have on your joke accounts.

[piedpiper]

Canadian pilots REALLY dont' understand what soft pay is.

Soft pay is not "working your bag off" it's things like draft drop, reroute pay etc. Delta green slips and payback days (look it up you'll cry).

These guys pulling 400k USD as NB FOs aren't working their bag off. The guys working their bag off are making 800k-1m.

[altiplano]

Canadian pilots REALLY dont' understand what soft pay is.

Soft pay is not "working your bag off" it's things like draft drop, reroute pay etc. Delta green slips and payback days (look it up you'll cry).

These guys pulling 400k USD as NB FOs aren't working their bag off. The guys working their bag off are making 800k-1m.

Agreed.

But that's separate from the merits of conditional vs. guaranteed pay.

VO was the worst thing for this group, used to be everything was draft or draft/drop. Then these guys thought working more and more for straight time was great, when all they had to do was wait for the next award step to run for twice the money, or the step after that for twice the money and half the work...

Pigs at the trough being fed for slaughter...