Jazz CRJ crash at LaGuardia

[leafs95]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... gency.html

Praying for those involved.

[planenuts]

Doesn't look good for the pilots.....prayers for everyone involved. Reports so far are a dozen injured and 2 dead.

Flight 8646 from Montreal apparently T boned a fire truck at 21 kts while rolling out after landing. ATC audio captured by LiveATC.net indicates the ARFF truck was cleared to cross Runway 4 at taxiway D. The tower controller can be heard telling “Truck 1” to stop multiple times before dispatching additional ARFF units on the airfield to the scene.

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[BigQ]

https://x.com/i/status/2035926457394876837

Looks like tower gave fire truck clearance to cross in front.

[7ECA]

From the recordings, Truck 1 plus company was cleared to cross at Delta. Some photos of the CRJ show signage for Echo.

Some preliminary ADSB data shows the CRJ was grounding approximately 100KTS as it approached Delta. The 21KTS reading and ground track was likely post collision as the aircraft travelled off the runway towards Echo.

A very bad night at LaGuradia for all involved. The sound of the controller's voice is just awful when he realizes what's happened.

[Reinhard]

ATC recording:

https://files.catbox.moe/3904ed.mp4

ADS-B from flightradar24:



Controller cleared truck to cross at D, ADS-B shows the plane was going about 110 knots ground speed at the time of the crash.

Visible marks left by the truck in the grass indicates direction and force of the crash. The Oshkosh Striker 1500 weighs 60k pounds loaded and was thrown 80m from taxiway D intersection.

[Me262]

ATC cleared both Jazz and Firetruck. Changes need to happen at US's busy airports.

[planenuts]

Doesn't look good for the pilots.....prayers for everyone involved. Reports so far are a dozen injured and 2 dead.

Flight 8646 from Montreal apparently T boned a fire truck at 21 kts while rolling out after landing. ATC audio captured by LiveATC.net indicates the ARFF truck was cleared to cross Runway 4 at taxiway D. The tower controller can be heard telling “Truck 1” to stop multiple times before dispatching additional ARFF units on the airfield to the scene.


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Jesus Christ! Use your head, there was also 100 passengers and the collision happened on the way to parking depending on the media!
21 knots, no one would be critical or dead ffs!

I dont know what your issue is but chill out. It happened on landing rollout on the runway. The truck was cleared to cross in front of them. 2 dead, 4 firefighters are critical and more injured. From first reports - 21 knots was the last reported ADSB speed.... obviously from the damage it was much more than that.

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[leafs95]

NBC News is reporting that both pilots have lost their lives. RIP.

[Dry Guy]

My colleagues often ignore my clear left/clear right calls and don't even look. I don't think this truck or following company looked either. Hopefully this is a wake up call to everyone to check the runway and approach is clear before entering.

I also now feel better about having turned down every La Guardia trip I've ever been offered due to the hazardous attitude of the controllers in my opinion.

[oldncold]

hve a bad feeling this morning ,the fo yul based N.G pray not him pm please

[broken_slinky]

Doesn't look good for the pilots.....prayers for everyone involved. Reports so far are a dozen injured and 2 dead.

Flight 8646 from Montreal apparently T boned a fire truck at 21 kts while rolling out after landing. ATC audio captured by LiveATC.net indicates the ARFF truck was cleared to cross Runway 4 at taxiway D. The tower controller can be heard telling “Truck 1” to stop multiple times before dispatching additional ARFF units on the airfield to the scene.


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Jesus Christ! Use your head, there was also 100 passengers and the collision happened on the way to parking depending on the media!
21 knots, no one would be critical or dead ffs!

Dude! You need to relax some. 21 knots was enough speed to kill the pilots and cause injuries.

[330heavy]

Thoughts and prayers to the pilots familes and friends. Sad loss

[Cherokee12]

Too many close calls at the big 3 NYC airports in the last few years. It was only a matter of time something like this would happen. RIP. Condolences to the families.

[Bede]

My colleagues often ignore my clear left/clear right calls and don't even look. I don't think this truck or following company looked either. Hopefully this is a wake up call to everyone to check the runway and approach is clear before entering.

I also now feel better about having turned down every La Guardia trip I've ever been offered due to the hazardous attitude of the controllers in my opinion.

It's not quite that simple. I volunteer for a fire department. You've got lights and sirens on. Adrenaline is pumping. You pull up to an intersection. You stop, look both ways. Do you really register what's happening or do you just "look" out of force of habit? I've never had an accident, but I've had two close calls.

[bcflyer]

My colleagues often ignore my clear left/clear right calls and don't even look. I don't think this truck or following company looked either. Hopefully this is a wake up call to everyone to check the runway and approach is clear before entering.

I also now feel better about having turned down every La Guardia trip I've ever been offered due to the hazardous attitude of the controllers in my opinion.

It's not quite that simple. I volunteer for a fire department. You've got lights and sirens on. Adrenaline is pumping. You pull up to an intersection. You stop, look both ways. Do you really register what's happening or do you just "look" out of force of habit? I've never had an accident, but I've had two close calls.

Unfortunately it takes something like this to remind people to “really look” although in this case it would have been difficult to see. At night, in the rain, a multitude of lights, it can be difficult to see anything coming. Add in a clearance from the tower controller to cross the runway and this can be the result. Very tragic. RIP to the crew.

[jpilot77]

What was it a year or two ago a fire truck collided with an airbus taking off in Lima Peru and it was during the day in clear skies. At night in bad weather with possibly the CRJ already touched down much harder to see.

[TheStig]

Aviation in this country is such a small industry that it's going to be a tough day for a lot of people. The immediacy of how quickly someone can be in your life and then just gone, no matter how distant of a colleague they were are or how long it may have been since you went to flight school or worked together, is brutal. If you knew either of these pilots please know that many of us are thinking about you and wishing you all the best in this difficult time.

[‘Bob’]

RIP

Not what I wanted to read this morning.

[Orion's Fannypack]

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/laguar ... 6rhlir19wd

The post accident details are something else, from the "I messed up" ATC statement and the "you did the best you could" response from Frontier to the "Flight attendant found alive outside plane still strapped to her seat" statement from CNN. All the while they left that controller in the seat to coordinate the aftermath.

A tragic day across the board. They cut away at all the protections to avoid this from happening until it's just us (ATC, MX, Crew)
left there in the make or break chair. This isn't a new cause for an accident, yet here aviation is once again, supposedly knowing better but not doing better.

[lostav8r]

My condolences to everyone. It's a small community and with how stretched the industry is, it could've been any CRJ driver potentially.

Hopefully the ZOO that is the FAA finally makes some changes!

[Retired in YPQ]

On the ATC tapes, you hear "Truck 1 and company".

Doesn't that mean there were 2 vehicles cleared across the runway at the same time?

[goldeneagle]

Hopefully the ZOO that is the FAA finally makes some changes!

They will fire some controllers, blame DEI hires, then carry on. Kinda like they did in DC.

[atc_is_god]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... gency.html

Praying for those involved.

Prayers won't help after an aircraft has impacted an ARFF vehicle loaded with 25,000lbs of water.

[planenuts]

Jesus Christ! Use your head, there was also 100 passengers and the collision happened on the way to parking depending on the media!
21 knots, no one would be critical or dead ffs!

I really hope your account was hacked with a comment like that. If not, Mods please give this ass clown a time out.

Are you kidding me! Regurgitating nonsense the media posted is ok, I read the same thing that poster did and said to myself that’s ridiculous, believe me it was toned down from the first thing I typed out and deleted.
I took one look at the photo and it was clear to me we lost at least two crew members and very likely someone I know, I really get mad when the media posts misinformation and it’s worse when a supposed pilot does it.
By the way, calling me an ass clown seems worse then telling someone to use their head!

I'm sorry I didnt have the FDR transcript in front of me...just details as they come in, last ADSB speed was 21 kts...again - the pics dont jive. As a supposed aviation person - you should know to take things with a grain of salt....like saying there are 100 passengers on a 90 seat airplane. Air Canada has officially said there were 72 pax and 4 crew.

As for spewing crap - I never said I was a pilot (commercially anyways) and none of my previous posts have said that - in fact you would know I'm a long time engineer. As someone whos been in this industry a while - I would have thought that hitting a (reported) 60K lbs vehical going around 100 kts and throwing it 300 ft would have simply destroyed the majority of the aircraft and not just the cockpit - but time will tell.

I'll give you a pass and chalk up your posts to the fact you may be grieving a huge loss and simply acting out....but dont make the mistake of thinking you are the only one who is suffering - there is a good chance I knew someone as well.

[planenuts]

For those who can bear it - there is surveillance video out now.
It is hard to watch.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWO7_qnj ... k2MzJhd3Rr