What's life like as a commuting pilot to start?

[altiplano]

There's nothing abnormal about an airline having tier 2/3 regional feeders and not interviewing and hiring everyone into mainline that works at the regional. Pretty normal ops for all major airlines on this continent.

Let alone conditionally hiring unlicensed wannabes with $150K to get fast tracked.

Also nothing abnormal about Canadian pilots getting screwed left right and center. Doesn't make it okay does it?

You're climbing up a bad debate altiplano. It's bullshit, and you know it.

It's interesting to observe cause on so many topics you seem to be pro pilot, yet on this topic you're okay normalizing the bs it actually is.

I don't personally have a dog in the fight. I'm one of those 20 year dxb guys who came home, got a quick upgrade, and am outdoing every single one of you guys who had to endure that 10 year contract in terms of the life I got to live and the money I came home with and the family that remained intact as a result of my choices. (Standing by to see who is triggered by this). You shouldn't be. We just made different choices. But I'm just glad I made mine to leave in 2000's

The only thing that would've worked better for me is if ESOP was the way it could've been back in 2002, and I had interviewed instead of leaving and turned my 98 cent stock into 50 in 2019. Other than that, I'm glad I left and came back when I did.

Doubt anyone is experiencing the same career with the state of the ME it is today. So I definitely got lucky with timing of everything.

But all of this to say that I find it a shame watching guys on the line normalize what in actuality is nonsense.

I'm done talking about this. If anyone else has a better point of view, I'd love to hear it. Maybe I haven't considered something in my stance. But so far it just smells like bs.

You're using equivalence fallacy to rationalize your position.

I am pro pilot. Pro all pilots... The career path to an airline is varied and that diverse experience is good - bush, floats, survey, medevac, cargo, military, overseas, corporate, regional, a combination of... Placing the regional track above all as an entrance to the mainline is not good for the broader pilot profession, the pilots at the regional, or the result moving into the mainline. Nobody wins there...

The Jazz contract today is under pressure for a variety of reasons, one of them being a sliver of that preferential PML hiring and thus the regional today is mostly attracting 250 hour first job ever kids because of labour market conditions. I remember when you need more like 10K hours to get a job there and it was the highest paid regional on the continent.

As a mainline carrier, there's no way I would want to commit to untested employees most of whom hadn't turned a wheel commercially yet.

AC is going to hire how they want though. We have no say and it changes to suit their whims.

As for your other comments?

I'm outdoing every single one of you guys who had to endure that 10 year contract in terms of the life I got to live and the money I came home with and the family that remained intact as a result of my choices.

Why are you pulling your dick out? Bit of HPD, bit of narcissism I guess...

Good for you, you're more special and you're the richest... but you know what, I'm super happy with my life and had a hell of a ride along the way. We could compare investment accounts and career earnings and maybe you got me beat, but you might be surprised, I'm not doing too bad, hell, I got most everything I could ever want. I got a great wife, a great kid, and I guarantee you that I got more days at home, more days on the water, more days in the mountains, and more big fish to hand than you can ever dream of as a result of my choices - and I didn't have to blow a bunch of arabs along the way.

So put your dick away, 2027 is less than a year away and we need to get focused on what matters.

[Hangry]

lol seriously. Who the hell is jealous of ex expats. Glad you had fun.

No one cares.

[piedpiper]

It was a one time trial program... and not repeated, maybe for a reason, not standard ops.

Correct. From the sounds of it as well AC was not happy with the whole program hence why they decided to get rid of it.

What a concept eh, you're shitty for AC but we are okay with you flying our paint and brand under GGN/Sky Regional/Jazz, but we don't want you at AC.

If that's seriously the train of thought then I am honestly speechless. How is a guy 'good' and 'safe' for one ac facade but not the other?

Smells like bs to me.

Go back to the sandbox.

[lowoleo22]

So, how's commuting?

[oldnbold]

Honestly 10 years at Emirates while we wait to see if we ever get a decent contract again seems like a pretty good strategy. Do your hard time while you're young, come back rich, and coast through the rest of your career at AC.

[Airbusses]

Sooooo anyways. Mid seniority, commute from YHZ. I do plenty of same day commutes, it's really not too bad. Lots of options here with AC, Porter and Flair. Lots of junior guys seem to make it work but I can't speak to their experience.

[Vanguard]

There's nothing abnormal about an airline having tier 2/3 regional feeders and not interviewing and hiring everyone into mainline that works at the regional. Pretty normal ops for all major airlines on this continent.

Let alone conditionally hiring unlicensed wannabes with $150K to get fast tracked.

Also nothing abnormal about Canadian pilots getting screwed left right and center. Doesn't make it okay does it?

You're climbing up a bad debate altiplano. It's bullshit, and you know it.

It's interesting to observe cause on so many topics you seem to be pro pilot, yet on this topic you're okay normalizing the bs it actually is.

I don't personally have a dog in the fight. I'm one of those 20 year dxb guys who came home, got a quick upgrade, and am outdoing every single one of you guys who had to endure that 10 year contract in terms of the life I got to live and the money I came home with and the family that remained intact as a result of my choices. (Standing by to see who is triggered by this). You shouldn't be. We just made different choices. But I'm just glad I made mine to leave in 2000's

The only thing that would've worked better for me is if ESOP was the way it could've been back in 2002, and I had interviewed instead of leaving and turned my 98 cent stock into 50 in 2019. Other than that, I'm glad I left and came back when I did.

Doubt anyone is experiencing the same career with the state of the ME it is today. So I definitely got lucky with timing of everything.

But all of this to say that I find it a shame watching guys on the line normalize what in actuality is nonsense.

I'm done talking about this. If anyone else has a better point of view, I'd love to hear it. Maybe I haven't considered something in my stance. But so far it just smells like bs.

You’re just a moron. Some of us were hired in our 20s and will do better than you. Enjoy that junior schedule for the rest of your career.

Also none of you DXB came back with choice. You came with your tails between your legs because you couldn’t stand the life in Dubai.

[flying4dollars]

It was a one time trial program... and not repeated, maybe for a reason, not standard ops.

Correct. From the sounds of it as well AC was not happy with the whole program hence why they decided to get rid of it.

What a concept eh, you're shitty for AC but we are okay with you flying our paint and brand under GGN/Sky Regional/Jazz, but we don't want you at AC.

If that's seriously the train of thought then I am honestly speechless. How is a guy 'good' and 'safe' for one ac facade but not the other?

Smells like bs to me.

Completely agree. Working for AC Express and wearing all the AC paraphernalia including the AC painted B1900/DH8/CR9 meant as far as most passengers were concerned, you were an AC employee and your actions reflected their brand. However this is normal practice between any legacy and tier 2/3 carrier globally.

Not sure who kickstarted the idea of the cadet program between GGN and AC but it was curious why they stopped after one or two groups.

[rudder]

Correct. From the sounds of it as well AC was not happy with the whole program hence why they decided to get rid of it.

What a concept eh, you're shitty for AC but we are okay with you flying our paint and brand under GGN/Sky Regional/Jazz, but we don't want you at AC.

If that's seriously the train of thought then I am honestly speechless. How is a guy 'good' and 'safe' for one ac facade but not the other?

Smells like bs to me.

Completely agree. Working for AC Express and wearing all the AC paraphernalia including the AC painted B1900/DH8/CR9 meant as far as most passengers were concerned, you were an AC employee and your actions reflected their brand. However this is normal practice between any legacy and tier 2/3 carrier globally.

Not sure who kickstarted the idea of the cadet program between GGN and AC but it was curious why they stopped after one or two groups.

Pretty sure that program resulted in some of the youngest new-hires at AC in the modern era (high school to AC in 4 years or less). My understanding is that many cadet last names matched last names already on the AC seniority list.

[flying4dollars]

What a concept eh, you're shitty for AC but we are okay with you flying our paint and brand under GGN/Sky Regional/Jazz, but we don't want you at AC.

If that's seriously the train of thought then I am honestly speechless. How is a guy 'good' and 'safe' for one ac facade but not the other?

Smells like bs to me.

Completely agree. Working for AC Express and wearing all the AC paraphernalia including the AC painted B1900/DH8/CR9 meant as far as most passengers were concerned, you were an AC employee and your actions reflected their brand. However this is normal practice between any legacy and tier 2/3 carrier globally.

Not sure who kickstarted the idea of the cadet program between GGN and AC but it was curious why they stopped after one or two groups.

Pretty sure that program resulted in some of the youngest new-hires at AC in the modern era (high school to AC in 4 years or less). My understanding is that many cadet last names matched last names already on the AC seniority list.

I think only a small few did. Most didn't. Youngest if I can remember was 20 by the time they were released from Vero beach so they would have joined at 24 or older which isn't far off from some of the new hires joining now.

[350driver]

Oh boy. There's too much to unpack here.

Vanguard, I did manage to have my cake and eat it too. In many ways it was just timing and making decisions with intent.
Especially being in the low 2000's with a few years left I doubt there's many of you kids I have to worry about for the rest of my career.

I don't value fishing so I don't really give a shit about the fish that altiplano caught. But so long as catching fish is your win in life, good for you.

Today we saw a video from our CEO about the Jazz crash. Why is the Air Canada CEO speaking on behalf of Jazz pilots unfortunate outcome? I thought they weren't AC employees and had to prove themselves commercially before being viewed as worthy pilots by Air Canada?

Unless this crash was a commercial worthy moment?

I'm done with you guys. 2027 won't make jack shit of a difference with the airline consisting of your types of gems across the seniority list.

If my posts triggers you as dick swinging, perhaps there's a truth in that you should consider for your circumstances. I don't think me doing better than you is a dick swinging contest. It's just facts. Now if that sentence triggers you, maybe there's truth to me actually doing better than you, since you felt the need to reply with such a defensive story about how many fish you caught.

Have fun talking amongst each other you big bad NHL players. Let's get'em next time.

I'm tapping out of this thread. You commuters have all of your answers in here. You also get a preview of how the 20 year olds who joined before you actually view you, in the spirit of being a colleague. They will enjoy watching you get stuck behind them for your entire career. Their best argument about guys like me will be "HOW DARE HE TELL ME HE'S DOING BETTER? I LIVE IN COMMUNIST CANADA, WE ALL EAT SHIT TOGETHER" lol.

To think THIS is what our Execs meant when they came in and gave us a big speech about how strict their hiring board is during PIT is astonishing.

Good luck guys. 350 out.