lostav8r wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 2:15 pmPelmet you clearly don’t actually care about a productive back and forth, you only respond to “win” you strawman basically all of my points if you’re not purposefully misunderstanding them, you attack other posters and constantly bring up credibility on an anonymous shitposting forum.pelmet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 1:17 pmI have to laugh at the fraud arguments from lost Aviator(as I have been already stating they are).lostav8r wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2026 9:35 pm
Like I've said already, I understand all politicians are full of crap, and many have their own motivations and agendas.
There is a lot to criticize Doug for in my mind, and I'm always going to call out the guy who says he won't do something if he ends up doing it!
I get everyone is a hypocrite at times but if I guy keeps saying "he's honest" "respect the taxpayer" I'm going to call it out when the guy ends up being full of shit!
He campaigned in 2018 on lowering debt, and reckless spending. He slaps "respect for the taxpayer" whenever he can.
Even the conservative think tank the Fraiser Institute calls him out!
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/comment ... less-wynne
But aside from the Budget, he's using a lot of levers no previous government in Ontario has! The notwithstanding clause is like blowing the fire bottle. It's your last resort and ideally should never be used. I'm aware it's been used in other provinces but I'm judging him to the politicians of Ontario.
We found out about the jet and a ton of other issues through FOI requests, he's trying to heavily restrict these types of requests. No premier has tried to restrict these requests from what I could find.
From what I could dig up, unless the province was providing direct funding for something (Ex transit) they didn't interfere with day to day operations of the city. Doug keeps playing Mayor of Toronto when he has a whole province to govern.
These are some of the "yardsticks" I use to compare him to past premiers. I have plenty of issues with the federal government as well but I don't think they're relevant in a thread about Ontario.
I am accused in this thread of moving the goalposts many times. Then, the same person says, in regard to Ford being a hypocrite, that level at which he's exhibiting these behaviors is a lot worse than politicians of the past. So what do I do? I simply bring up the name Justin Trudeau as a politician of the past. But I do feel slightly bad for embarrassing him with that easy shootdown, so I give him a let and suggest making a comparison of hypocrite statements with a similar size province right next door(Quebec) and a premier in the same era. Well, guess what, Lost Aviator changes the goal posts himself and now says that we have to change it to only Ontario politicians. That is not what you said initially.
Toronto is a big part of Ontario by the way. Of course he is going to be involved and he is doing a way better job that the liberals and NDP would. Right now, he is finally taking on the Nimby's who move downtown and claim its economy by whining about airport noise(that barely exists). He is slowing down their massive waste on bike lanes that create mass congestion.
You accused him of cutting conservation areas. I looked it up and I see am amalgamation of 36 conservation authorities to 9. Is there something wrong with this or more misleading arguments? How many conservation areas dop we need. It seems like no matter how many we have, they are announcing more. The government expropriated mass amounts of people lands decades ago for the Pickering airport and now it is some sort of conservation area. Now they are trying it again in Ontario for a high speed rail(boondoggle in my opinion) that will likely cost a 100 billion dollars of taxpayer money. People resent this sort of thing. But we hear conservation, conservation from certain parties and if you don't support it, you are a bad person.
He cut municipal seats. Are we supposed to care about all these taxpayer funded people, who quite likely spend a political career figuring out how to spend taxpayer money on stuff most would rather not have it spent on. We get a simple statement of cuts to healthcare. Too bad Lost aviator doesn't mention Ontario liberal healthcare cuts(search for ontario liberals cut healthcare 2016). Just more fraud arguments. People don't care if he shows up for whatever consultations you are concerned about in parliament. As if that never happened before.
As I have mentioned multiple times, he has hypocrisy and scandals but its the same old, same old with every party, so irrelevant. Vote on party policies instead.
You accuse him of gutting revenues and ballooning debt. Well the left increases taxes over and over and also balloons the debt. Ford has at least not raised tyaxes which is a better record than the liberals. Here is a link to record of his liberal opponent in the last election. Tax and spend. So with the liberals and NDP, they spend that much more and raise the debt.
https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/is-cr ... d-liberal-
I'll take Ford thank you very much and so do the people of Ontario over and over because from a provincial point of view, they have stopped being fooled by the lost aviator types. Why?.....because as I have said multiple times, the other parties are much worse options overall.
So, you can end your specific gripes(most of which are not worth investigating because you have harmed your credibility). I suggest you contact the party you vote for and get them to come up with platforms that the majority of people want for the province. Unfortunately, you may not be happy with that.
Meanwhile, I see on another thread that you are trying to get a job up north and the career going but are having difficulty with a lack of quick movement in the industry. Well, we had a decade of lost opportunity in this country because of the parties you support. Going back in time, Canada went through the Great Recession with much less economic turbulence that other countries at the time because of our booming energy industry that created a lot of wealth even in tougher times(I flew up north during the recession to a large number of natural resources location, both proposed and in existence). It was great opportunity with just as great memories. While I had moved on to bigger and better things, that benefit slowed way down with your votes, and while the legacy of previous governments both liberal and conservative still provide financial support in terms of revenues, the highly paid construction jobs and all that goes with it have fallen away and that effects much of the economy, including aviation.
To quote an AI search(associated with the federal liberal/NDP era): "An April 2026 RBC report highlighted that over $1 trillion in investment exited Canada between 2015 and 2024, marking the largest capital exodus in the country's history. The report notes that for every dollar of foreign investment entering Canada, two dollars left, resulting in a significant investment deficit over that decade." These parties on the left are economically destructive.
For a long time(over two decades) I warned people on various other forums of the dangers of voting liberal/NDP. Bob's fascist comment in an earlier reply is a typical response. Now crime is way up, hospital waits are way up, standard of living is down, housing costs are way up(due to mass immigration) and according to this mainstream job ad, even if you are looked at for a job, you can see who the preference will be given to(last paragraph).
viewtopic.php?p=1355393&hilit=saskatchewan#p1355393
These are items that are a lot more important to people than whether or not Ford cut some municipal seats or showed up to a parliamentary consultation.
All I can say is.... you voted for your current career opportunities.
I ask you to state your original point so I’m not strawmaning your argument and call me slow!
Any hard facts that are brought up come back with whataboutism.
If you are not slow, you can read my first post on this thread to see my original point rather than having me take the time to write it out again.
It seems when i call out hypocrisy and what I consider fraud arguments, it is said to be "strawmaning" (sic), being called slow, and whataboutism.
TBH, I don't think we have much more to add to the thread. You have made you arguments and statements and I have made mine.
P.S. By the way, I forgot to mention in my last post that Quebec premiers use the notwithstanding clause on a regular basis(oh yeah......the goalposts were changed and that doesn't count).
