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[Insanity]

With so many latest greatest hits like:

- a lack of implementation

- hopeless & confusing scheduling rules

- bullying potentially anyone new to the negots mafia

- going in with the same exact union team as last round

- watching the heavy weights of Air North & Air Transat achieve more impressive negotiating results

...Make sure to fill out the latest ALPA survey and give some feedback on the results or lack thereof.

[oldnbold]

I'd also prefer that union staff not take alcohol or other intoxicating substances during union activities, meetings, or events.

[CPU2000]

They did secure themselves 90 hrs of pay per month.

Anyone know if they are "going for more" for themselves next round? Maybe bump up their $2k per month stipend aka bonus. Shame we lost ours.

[Donald]

With so many latest greatest hits like:

- a lack of implementation

- hopeless & confusing scheduling rules

- bullying potentially anyone new to the negots mafia

- going in with the same exact union team as last round

- watching the heavy weights of Air North & Air Transat achieve more impressive negotiating results

...Make sure to fill out the latest ALPA survey and give some feedback on the results or lack thereof.

What did Air North achieve?

[altiplano]

Company trolls sewing disunity.

You guys are making things up.

Supporting your association = supporting yourself.

Whining gets you nowhere.

[flyingcanuck]

They did secure themselves 90 hrs of pay per month.

Anyone know if they are "going for more" for themselves next round? Maybe bump up their $2k per month stipend aka bonus. Shame we lost ours.

yawn.

like 5 members of the union who get paid this. you know, the ones who work their asses off for us. whether you agree with them or not its quite alot of work.

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

They did secure themselves 90 hrs of pay per month.

Anyone know if they are "going for more" for themselves next round? Maybe bump up their $2k per month stipend aka bonus. Shame we lost ours.

yawn.

like 5 members of the union who get paid this. you know, the ones who work their asses off for us. whether you agree with them or not its quite alot of work.

Dude...the negots committee alone is 6.

Way more than 5 getting 90 hrs. I hope youre right about them working their asses off but where is the evidence?

The results? 1 email per month? Their huge presence to the pilot group?

Honestly if they were all sitting at home in their underwear it would make sense.

[Protonpilot]

Company trolls sewing disunity.

You guys are making things up.

Supporting your association = supporting yourself.

Whining gets you nowhere.

100% agree

[Protonpilot]

They did secure themselves 90 hrs of pay per month.

Anyone know if they are "going for more" for themselves next round? Maybe bump up their $2k per month stipend aka bonus. Shame we lost ours.

yawn.

like 5 members of the union who get paid this. you know, the ones who work their asses off for us. whether you agree with them or not its quite alot of work.

Dude...the negots committee alone is 6.

Way more than 5 getting 90 hrs. I hope youre right about them working their asses off but where is the evidence?

The results? 1 email per month? Their huge presence to the pilot group?

Honestly if they were all sitting at home in their underwear it would make sense.

Only the Chair of the NC is fully displaced at the moment, and that is without a doubt a full time job. Just flies to maintain currency.

The rest of the NC is assigned a normal block, and gets displaced when required. That's the norm for just about every committee volunteer. Which you would be aware of if you were on a committee.

Where are you getting the 90 hours for the NC? Have a look at their schedules on Globe and see for yourself.

Personally, the work they're doing behind the scenes is more important to me than receiving an email update every week. Progress with the employer on difficult issues takes time.

[Daniel Cooper]

I hope they don't fall for negotiations as stall tactics again. Just file the strike notice as soon as legally possible and don't blink this time.

[TheStig]

Article 10.09

7 pilots are on full time displacement, 70 hours paid by the company, 20 by the union. If each of these pilots made $400/hour (they don't) that works out to $10/month per pilot.

6 months prior to the end of the collective agreement 5 pilots (not including the NC Chair who is already one of the 7 full time displacements) are displaced until ratification. 3 of them are then displaced for 3 months for implementation.

[altiplano]

Article 10.09

7 pilots are on full time displacement, 70 hours paid by the company, 20 by the union. If each of these pilots made $400/hour (they don't) that works out to $10/month per pilot.

6 months prior to the end of the collective agreement 5 pilots (not including the NC Chair who is already one of the 7 full time displacements) are displaced until ratification. 3 of them are then displaced for 3 months for implementation.

Average is actually closer to $8. There are a couple 330 CAs which is $400/hr, the rest are 320 or 737 CA... then the MEC chair is an FO...

[BigGreen]

My PIT class group chat mentioned they get $2k cash as a bonus each month.

Anyone know the reference for that?

Extra $24k a year is a nice perk.

[SNAAP]

My PIT class group chat mentioned they get $2k cash as a bonus each month.

Anyone know the reference for that?

Extra $24k a year is a nice perk.

Funny my class group chat was talking about this too...

It is cleverly hidden in the Policy Manual for the union so outside the collective agreement. They dont even need to negotiate with the company to give themselves a raise. They just silently change the policy.

Genius really. Easiest way to get yourself a raise!

[altiplano]

You know the policy manual isn't "hidden" right? It's right there on the ALPA app for you to look at...

And here's a big surprise, it doesn't say anything about MEC members getting $2K extra pay per month. There is a per diem maximum which is $2K for the MEC Chair that is on the road much of the time, needs things to perform his duties, etc.

More company sucks, lying and dividing. Get fucked.

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

You know the policy manual isn't "hidden" right? It's right there on the ALPA app for you to look at...

And here's a big surprise, it doesn't say anything about MEC members getting $2K extra pay per month. There is a per diem maximum which is $2K for the MEC Chair that is on the road much of the time, needs things to perform his duties, etc.

More company sucks, lying and dividing. Get fucked.

I had to look this up myself and am a little surprised they snuck this in outside the collective agreement.

It's a "supplementary per diem" aka a monthly bonus.

Altiplano- did you quote something and not even understand it? Ill post the exact wording below:

MEC Officers and other designated personnel shall receive a supplementary per diem expense allowance in accordance with the ALPA Administrative Manual section 60 and paid using the MEC budget.

1. The MEC Chair will be entitled to receive $2000.00 per month.

2. All other MEC officers will be entitled to receive $1500.00 per month.

3. All other FT-FPL committee member pilots will be entitled to receive $1250.00 per
month.

4. All LEC status representatives will be entitled to receive $600.00 per month.

Plus cellphone allowance & laptop etc.

Nice little perk

[CPU2000]

Hold up...

So they can collect per diems twice?

[altiplano]

APM was voted on when we switched, nothing slipped in and hidden there.

Group in there today isn't the group that built it either.

One guy gets the $2K, MEC Chair, that's what I said. Not all of them, and it goes down from there to the handful of others.

But these guys are on the road same as us, have to wear a suit, and cover a host of other expenses month in month out. As far as I'm concerned an FO as MEC Chair is a bargain, and one with integrity is priceless. I'll tell you that they work a hell of a lot harder than I do too.

You think that $1000 or $2000 a month is so great, why don't you go do the work and get it?

I probably take home a similar amount in per diem. Hell, I can almost make that much on block growth alone on any given month... plus a little premium... these guys don't get that because they're in the office and in the road and on the phone.

You want to stay "3rd world class"? Keep acting 3rd world class.

And a cel phone allowance and computer? So they can do their work? Ohhhh the horror...

I wonder if the guys at the US Majors are butt hurt their guys going against the company get a few per diems and a computer?

Guns out. Keep acting like a welfare bitch and stay a welfare bitch.

[rudder]

You know the policy manual isn't "hidden" right? It's right there on the ALPA app for you to look at...

And here's a big surprise, it doesn't say anything about MEC members getting $2K extra pay per month. There is a per diem maximum which is $2K for the MEC Chair that is on the road much of the time, needs things to perform his duties, etc.

More company sucks, lying and dividing. Get fucked.

I had to look this up myself and am a little surprised they snuck this in outside the collective agreement.

It's a "supplementary per diem" aka a monthly bonus.

Altiplano- did you quote something and not even understand it? Ill post the exact wording below:

MEC Officers and other designated personnel shall receive a supplementary per diem expense allowance in accordance with the ALPA Administrative Manual section 60 and paid using the MEC budget.

1. The MEC Chair will be entitled to receive $2000.00 per month.

2. All other MEC officers will be entitled to receive $1500.00 per month.

3. All other FT-FPL committee member pilots will be entitled to receive $1250.00 per
month.

4. All LEC status representatives will be entitled to receive $600.00 per month.

Plus cellphone allowance & laptop etc.

Nice little perk

Per ALPA policy, it is intended to function as a ‘stipend’. That means it is meant to cover non-receipted (therefore non-claimed) expenses incurred in the performance of ALPA duties.

Therefore, if an entitled recipient claims every single eligible expense (i.e. per diem/mileage/taxi/hosted meal/box of paper clips) then it could be seen as pure profit in the hands of the recipient. Having said that, I believe that ALPA has adjusted policy on claiming alcohol as an expense and this may be a partial workaround if covering a charge for a group meal. It also allows for such things as purchasing a business wardrobe which would not be a claimable receipted expense.

While you should not be losing $$ being an ALPA volunteer, you should not be making extra $$ as an ALPA volunteer either. This is a delicate balance that is not particularly well managed at some ALPA properties.

[CPU2000]

But let's be clear...

They claim all expenses and per diems...

But also get a "supplementary" per diem monthly?

How is this not double dipping?

Members dont get paid extra for commutes, cell phones (which are required), etc

Seems a little self serving to be taking an extra $2k a month plus the 90 hours.

[3rdWorldClassPilot]

Sounds pretty nefarious to me.

At least we got our union leaders World Class benefits & pay

[Daniel Cooper]

I believe that ALPA has adjusted policy on claiming alcohol as an expense and this may be a partial workaround

Again with the alcohol. $2000 a month is quite the party.

[Bede]

"Why don't we get what US pilots get?"

(Proceeds to trash the people trying to get them US wages.)

[Blueontop]

"Why don't we get what US pilots get?"

(Proceeds to trash the people trying to get them US wages.)

Oh come on bede…

And how are they doing on that front? Had the most favorable negotiation environment we will ever see and folded like an origami chicken before they even turned up the heat. Give credit where/when credit is due….

[altiplano]

And that's really the problem isn't it...

"how are they doing"

You still don't realize that they is all of us. How are you doing? What are you doing to advance our outcomes? And the they you refer to is actually a different group from the 2024 group, including 2 that were NO voting status reps.

Creating petty divisions with passive aggressive victimhood, complaining about per diem and number of pilots on the negots committee or whatever your latest bitch problem is drags our larger cause down.

We are on the eve of going up against the employer with the worst management culture and employee relationship on the continent. We have flight ops VPs that think you should just be happy to be here, they hate you and wish they could farm out your job so they didn't have to deal with you. They hate ALPA and wish it was their friends at ACPA still that would just accept whatever fell off the table.

We have a group devising a strategy to get all of us what we missed in 2024 with enormous amounts at stake, billions of dollars of potential pay and working conditions gains and your focus? They (5 guys on the MEC) get displaced and covered for expenses and get a laptop provided while they work for us. Oh the horror...

Don't screw it up. Stop being a clown. Get behind your Association. Get behind your MEC. Stop being a company shill.